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This is a long-standing complaint, that I also hope gets addressed eventually.

Ironically you'd likely be more evenly matched in ranked mode, where the stronger decks will climb the ranks and less effective decks will stay around 20.

you really don't know hearthstone, if you believe it.

in truth rank 20-16 is where the players farm their quest and gold.

you will only get a  "fair" match rank 16 ++.

I made a mech "value" mage with 2 unstable portal in for da laughs. And i´m not talking about only naxx legendaries im talking about fully stacked netdecks. And ya it´s kind of annoying when you managed to handle their sylvanas just to get reckd by Dr Boom the next turn.

The number of games played would atleast limit the fully stacked netdecks vs new players. 

Excuse me. What did you say?? I´m not loosing to them cause they have better decks then me?? Thats why i made a f2p account and got rank 14 (top 20% of playerbase) with NO recources (practically basic cards) in about 2 weeks.

It has NOTHING to do with them beeing better players then me and Everything about them having better cards. I´m not complaining about being beat by a better player i´m complaining of having to deal with full legendary netdecks while having a 2 week old account. <snip>

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Excuse me. What did you say?? I´m not loosing to them cause they have better decks then me?? Thats why i made a f2p account and got rank 14 (top 20% of playerbase) with NO recources (practically basic cards) in about 2 weeks.

It has NOTHING to do with them beeing better players then me and Everything about them having better cards. I´m not complaining about being beat by a better player i´m complaining of having to deal with full legendary netdecks while having a 2 week old account. <snip>

Well with a response like I feel inclined to support Nuba on this. 

Yes casual is kinda buggy right now but doesn't matter. 

Go back to EU. Problem solved.

So that's a constructive way to respond on forums.  Let's flame people who post in threads we started.  Civility be damned. 

Let's trot this old chestnut out, since it evidently bears repeating.  You don't need a shitload of legendaries to win.  Zoo decks, hated though they may be, have been proving this definitively and repeatedly.  Most players get outplayed when they lose, whether it's bad luck or unbalanced deck construction.  OP's original issue is definitely an issue, but dude.  Calm down.

I´m not saying you need shitloads of legendaries to reach legend. I´m currently rank 8 EU with Zoo but what i´m saying is it´s pretty damn annoying that i have to face fully stacked Collection players (usually they have been here a long time unless they put a shitload of Money in packs and got lucky) with a two week old account with as much as one Epic card drawn from packs in it.

I´m calm. But the L2p nonsense from Nuba just don´t cut it in this matter. The thread is NOT about winning or loosing, hell i´m beating half of those players in ranked with my F2play mage already.

Ofc you can get legendary from basic decks if you are skillful, plenty of players have shown that.

Still, you can't deny that for those who are, let's say, not so skilled it is easier to win when they have all the cards to complete their netdeck of choice, with all the synergies and high cost cards. For two equally skilled, but not necessarily expert level players, the one who can complete any netdecks because they got all the cards - however they aquired them - will usually beat the one who misses most of the legendaries, the majority of the epics or just those few crucial cards which really make their deck tick. And this really shows for those who just trying to do their dailies with a class they can't reallly build a solid deck for, because they lack the cards (and maybe they don't even want to spend the dust on said class because they don't enjoy it or because most of the solid decks for that class costs insane amounts of dust).

Well, I guess you can always reroll the daily and hope for a class you sort of have a semi-decent deck for. Or go for zoo.

Don't expect any magic fixes for this, Blizz can, at most, tolerate one or two cheap and effective decktypes (zoolock, hunter), otherwise they wouldn't make much money off it.

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Ofc you can get legendary from basic decks if you are skillful, plenty of players have shown that.

Still, you can't deny that for those who are, let's say, not so skilled it is easier to win when they have all the cards to complete their netdeck of choice, with all the synergies and high cost cards. For two equally skilled, but not necessarily expert level players, the one who can complete any netdecks because they got all the cards - however they aquired them - will usually beat the one who misses most of the legendaries, the majority of the epics or just those few crucial cards which really make their deck tick. And this really shows for those who just trying to do their dailies with a class they can't reallly build a solid deck for, because they lack the cards (and maybe they don't even want to spend the dust on said class because they don't enjoy it or because most of the solid decks for that class costs insane amounts of dust).

Well, I guess you can always reroll the daily and hope for a class you sort of have a semi-decent deck for. Or go for zoo.

Don't expect any magic fixes for this, Blizz can, at most, tolerate one or two cheap and effective decktypes (zoolock, hunter), otherwise they wouldn't make much money off it.

See thats exactly what i´m talking about. But as said a Quick and easy solution would be to just match players on casual with other players of similar games played, in ranked it´s a nonissue.

This has been discussed many times, and still the only problem, as far as I see it, is that new players are apparently dropped somewhere in the middle of the casual MMR ratings, instead of nearer to the bottom.

i mean honestly, i was hovering around rank 15 with a handlock with a few legendaries, struggling with all these hunters and zoo match ups... and then i switched to hunter/zoo with no legendaries and got to rank 10 with only one loss

the thing is, you can choose to play a deck that does well without legendaries, and you can also choose to play a deck full of legendaries... you can't exactly complain when you play a deck that does well with certain legendaries... except not have them and expect it to run just as well without. playing a deck that has a lot of legendaries in my opinion doesn't give you an advantage, i personally like it because it's more fun dropping legendaries, but cheap decks like zoo are pretty well known to be more than capable to beat wallet warriors

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i mean honestly, i was hovering around rank 15 with a handlock with a few legendaries, struggling with all these hunters and zoo match ups... and then i switched to hunter/zoo with no legendaries and got to rank 10 with only one loss

the thing is, you can choose to play a deck that does well without legendaries, and you can also choose to play a deck full of legendaries... you can't exactly complain when you play a deck that does well with certain legendaries... except not have them and expect it to run just as well without. playing a deck that has a lot of legendaries in my opinion doesn't give you an advantage, i personally like it because it's more fun dropping legendaries, but cheap decks like zoo are pretty well known to be more than capable to beat wallet warriors

Please. You have completely missed the Point. I know you can make cheap and competetive decks without legendaries, and i´m not speaking about ranked play.

I´m saying i´m facing the same damn decks on my two week old NA account in casual play that i face on my EU rank 8 account in ladder games (complete with legendaries and Epics) and adressing the issue since i feel that a new player with a two week old account NOT trying to ladder shouldn´t face those decks in casual play very often.

But they do and it´s a problem since it will scare new players away. Blizzard announced that new players shouldn´t face players with massive Collections a couple of weeks ago but i´m not feeling it. *

 *Source:

Bugs

• Brand new players shouldn't be matched up against players with massive collections, but some issues have been found and are being worked on. (Ben Brode)

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Excuse me. What did you say?? I´m not loosing to them cause they have better decks then me?? Thats why i made a f2p account and got rank 14 (top 20% of playerbase) with NO recources (practically basic cards) in about 2 weeks.

It has NOTHING to do with them beeing better players then me and Everything about them having better cards. I´m not complaining about being beat by a better player i´m complaining of having to deal with full legendary netdecks while having a 2 week old account. <snip>

Well with a response like I feel inclined to support Nuba on this. 

Yes casual is kinda buggy right now but doesn't matter. 

Ya well he kind of missed the Point didn´t he? How is Writing L2p helping in any way?

Players with legendary decks need to complete dailies too.

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This has been discussed many times, and still the only problem, as far as I see it, is that new players are apparently dropped somewhere in the middle of the casual MMR ratings, instead of nearer to the bottom.

There is another problem - or maybe just the deeper root problem - Casual is the playground for Ranked.  The only "problem" is that it's called "Casual" instead of "Unranked".   There's really nothing casual about it when the meta from "Ranked" spills over into it.

And it's also not so much a "new" player issue as a "casual" player issue.  With comments like "rank 14 is nothing" & "improve your gameplay" while over 80% of Hearthstone players are below that level - a point is being missed.  The point is that someone new or with a sub-par deck or does not want to compete in the intense meta of Ranked gets put into games with those people - the top 20%.

Telling casual players the problem with casual is that they need to stop playing casually is silly.  The problem is that legendary players are taking legendary skill, legendary decks and legendary experience into Casual.  When people go out to shoot hoops they probably don't want to go one-on-one with Shaquille O'Neal - just like when I play "Casual" on Hearthstone I don't want to get matched up against Nuba.  player disparity already makes matches lopsided, deck disparity makes it worse.

What they really need to do is rename "Casual" to "Unranked".  Maybe someday they will come up with a better way to do "Casual" matchmaking but "L2P or don't" isn't going to work for casual player who don't have a casual way to play.

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Players with legendary decks need to complete dailies too.

...but don't need to be matched up against casual players to do so.