Win more games so your MMR goes higher and you won't see them at all. I play both modes casual and wild and never see a robot as I win and my MMR is high enough I'm never facing bottom feeder players.
All these consistent posts that keep coming up about bots are just telling us that you aren't very good at Hearthstone.
Win more games so your MMR goes higher and you won't see them at all. I play both modes casual and wild and never see a robot as I win and my MMR is high enough I'm never facing bottom feeder players.
All these consistent posts that keep coming up about bots are just telling us that you aren't very good at Hearthstone.
Actually not true. As noticed in similar topic, you can even meet them at Rank 12, when you had a win streak of 5 consecutive wins...
It is not something strange, that Blizzard might just want to decrease player's waiting times in Queues. More time in queue = more likely to exit the game, so Bots in queue are an easy solution. Wild has lowest player numbers, so that's kind of understandable imo.
If you find a deck that is reasonably competitive and rather simple to play, then when you let a bot play this deck - even the bot can get some wins. Even if winratio isn't particularly high, but you leave a bot running for hours... it will get some wins while you are away.
I would never even think about it, it's just not worth it risking your account, even if the chance to get banned isn't high. Botting and gold farming is a thing tho, for account sellers. Online games have to deal with them for years now.
Ok I should have said my "point" instead of "issue" because you probably misunderstood me. My point is that bots are forbidden, idc if they are easy to beat, I don't want to play against a bot, I wanna play against a human being, is that too much to ask?
Simple solution: play ranked.
There's almost no interaction with your opponent whatsoever in this game so it's almost the same.
If these bots had different decks with real cards and ''real'' names I'm sure a lot of people wouldn't even notice they're bots. Especially if they used emotes once in a while.
I don't know why this bothers so many people unless they're losing to them.
Bots are against the TOS
Casual is a mode where you should be free to play whatever you want
The existence of these bots at a certain MMR means you cannot just play whatever you want, you instead are forced to play something that beats them AND play the games to completion.
These bots are effectively budget versions of aggro token decks. considering that most people probably play casual to play greedy homebrew decks, it's pretty obvious why a lot of us don't like queueing into them in casual.
Regarding point two and three...
If people, or bots in this case, are free to play whatever they want. Why are they then, not free to play whatever they want (meta decks)?
Bots are against the TOS. People can play whatever they want within the TOS. I never said that meta decks shouldn't be allowed.
But those bots aren't playing anything that's against the TOS. They're not limiting people in what they can play and not. Not in any different way than people do at least. To any other player, they're just another opponent.
This is both correct and slightly incorrect.
First of all, bots (specifically) are considered (in the ToS) as a form of cheating:
Cheating: Create, use, offer, promote, advertise, make available and/or distribute the following or assist therein
bots; i.e. any code and/or software, not expressly authorized by Blizzard, that allows the automated control of a Game, or any other feature of the Platform, e.g. the automated control of a character in a Game;
However, botting in Hearthstone is not quite the same as botting in games like WoW or Runescape. In those games, the bots detrimentally affect another person's gameplay which isn't the case in Hearthstone. (You wouldn't even know it was a bot if not for the odd username; otherwise you would just think it was a bad player, enjoy the feeling of superiority when you win and move on). In these other games, however, bots prevent players getting access to in game resources, which directly prevents other players from progressing. That's the difference.
Where the big problem lies (in terms of legality) is the selling of an account (which is what the purpose of the bot is for). The only possible contingency for a grey area in claiming whether a bot in Hearthstone is against the ToS or not is the usage of 3rd party software to enhance the game. But if you are willing to concede this, then you would also have to include any kind of deck tracking tool or Arena help tool, etc that provides the same level of advantage over other players.
And that's why you can't really complain about bots in general. Because Blizzard are sneaky and caveat their anti-bot policy with a catch-all that basically says "You can't use any 3rd party software....unless we say you can". Which is fine and they are perfectly entitled to do so - but there's an insidious side to this. At any time they feel like it, they can change their mind and then suddenly the use of that software (like HDT etc) can cause you to lose your account access.
That's not a "defence" of bots; nor is it a claim that bots are a good thing. But it is an explanation of why they are not as problematic as this thread OP would suggest. Take the win, enjoy the win. The bot made the game easier for you. How anyone can complain about this is somewhat baffling.
If you find a deck that is reasonably competitive and rather simple to play, then when you let a bot play this deck - even the bot can get some wins. Even if winratio isn't particularly high, but you leave a bot running for hours... it will get some wins while you are away.
@ both
As far as I know, the deck has to be easy to pilot, so that the bot would do as few mistakes as possible. It mustn't also indicate the opponent that a bot and not the player is playing atm. If someone picks a control list for example, the bot will make noob-y mistakes (like playing cards, whenever they are green) and will take a lot of time to consider its possibilities, which can lead to them roping and skipping their turn.
@ NewPlayer
2 years ago (back in MSoG) I constantly faced pirate warriors bots, today I faced one even shaman. As you can see, the aforementioned lists belong to the aggro archtype and thus their games last only a couple of minutes. If the deck has a reasonable win-rate, the bot will achieve easy wins fast and will provide the user with the daily 100 g regularly.
That's your opinion, it is against ToS, end of story.
Not much of a rebuttal there, really. You didn't address any of the points, and resort to simply agreeing with my point about the ToS as if that somehow is relevant to the rest of what I said. How disappointing.
Your understanding of bots is just your misguided opinion and the ToS has nothing to do with it. End of Story
Guys remember it is not official blizzard forum. And blizzard is not omniscient. There are millions of accounts, detecting every bot is hard. They have ways to report them.
I'll just leave a link to a more official similar discussion, to which blizzard employee responded, because it was on official blizzard forum:
Nope, just because you choose to circle jerk with yourself about bots because you want to prove to yourself that you're right about something that's binary, it's forbidden or it's not. You're trying to turn it into a philosophical debate for god knows why.
You can try to be all haughty about it, you're still wrong.
For the people who are asking how do bots could make gold:
My understanding is that multiple bot accounts are being run simultaneously, thus making them kinda close MMR with one another - and higher chance of match being bot vs bot. We see them because sometimes one bot could jump in MMR and be matched against a real person.
Now I would think they are selling 'fresh' accounts which have a bit of gold, leveled up classes, etc.
Honestly, I would never think this is good business, but seems to be profitable for someone.
I don't know why this bothers so many people unless they're losing to them.
Bots are against the TOS
Casual is a mode where you should be free to play whatever you want
The existence of these bots at a certain MMR means you cannot just play whatever you want, you instead are forced to play something that beats them AND play the games to completion.
These bots are effectively budget versions of aggro token decks. considering that most people probably play casual to play greedy homebrew decks, it's pretty obvious why a lot of us don't like queueing into them in casual.
Regarding point two and three...
If people, or bots in this case, are free to play whatever they want. Why are they then, not free to play whatever they want (meta decks)?
Bots are against the TOS. People can play whatever they want within the TOS. I never said that meta decks shouldn't be allowed.
But those bots aren't playing anything that's against the TOS. They're not limiting people in what they can play and not. Not in any different way than people do at least. To any other player, they're just another opponent.
This is both correct and slightly incorrect.
First of all, bots (specifically) are considered (in the ToS) as a form of cheating:
Cheating: Create, use, offer, promote, advertise, make available and/or distribute the following or assist therein
bots; i.e. any code and/or software, not expressly authorized by Blizzard, that allows the automated control of a Game, or any other feature of the Platform, e.g. the automated control of a character in a Game;
However, botting in Hearthstone is not quite the same as botting in games like WoW or Runescape. In those games, the bots detrimentally affect another person's gameplay which isn't the case in Hearthstone. (You wouldn't even know it was a bot if not for the odd username; otherwise you would just think it was a bad player, enjoy the feeling of superiority when you win and move on). In these other games, however, bots prevent players getting access to in game resources, which directly prevents other players from progressing. That's the difference.
Where the big problem lies (in terms of legality) is the selling of an account (which is what the purpose of the bot is for). The only possible contingency for a grey area in claiming whether a bot in Hearthstone is against the ToS or not is the usage of 3rd party software to enhance the game. But if you are willing to concede this, then you would also have to include any kind of deck tracking tool or Arena help tool, etc that provides the same level of advantage over other players.
And that's why you can't really complain about bots in general. Because Blizzard are sneaky and caveat their anti-bot policy with a catch-all that basically says "You can't use any 3rd party software....unless we say you can". Which is fine and they are perfectly entitled to do so - but there's an insidious side to this. At any time they feel like it, they can change their mind and then suddenly the use of that software (like HDT etc) can cause you to lose your account access.
That's not a "defence" of bots; nor is it a claim that bots are a good thing. But it is an explanation of why they are not as problematic as this thread OP would suggest. Take the win, enjoy the win. The bot made the game easier for you. How anyone can complain about this is somewhat baffling.
This is incorrect. Arena tools are not "automated control of a Game, or any other feature of the Platform, e.g. the automated control of a character in a Game" and deck tracking tools are approved as they do not give you an edge you could not perform by hand. The "can it be done with pencil and paper" standard has been there since deck tracking tools existed. It's true that bots don't prevent you from obtaining items (except....they kind of do, in that they force you to play a certain deck or deck style in order to get your win and thus 10g). These bots are budget versions of aggressive token decks. Their existence at low MMR means you are forced into playing a stronger or control style deck in order to get your wins and have a better MMR; conceding or playing your greedy homebrew deck just keeps your MMR low and facing more bots. "Taking a free win" is not why I play casual. "Making the game easier" is not why I play casual.
But interesting that in your claim to not be defending bots.....these two reasons are EXACTLY why people make bots - making the game easier and getting free/effortless wins.
Nope, just because you choose to circle jerk with yourself about bots because you want to prove to yourself that you're right about something that's binary, it's forbidden or it's not. You're trying to turn it into a philosophical debate for god knows why.
You can try to be all haughty about it, you're still wrong.
Except it's not binary. That's the whole point. Just because you refuse to believe it, doesn't make it so. Sorry. There's nothing "haughty" (wtf? Lol) about it. If you can't accept the fact that there is more to an issue than your blinkered narrow-minded view of it, then ok. We can leave it at that. But don't be so intellectually dishonest as to try and force others to accept that view simply because you've chosen to convince yourself of it.
This is incorrect. Arena tools are not "automated control of a Game, or any other feature of the Platform
What exactly do you think that a deck tracker does? It automates the process of noting cards played / drawn / likely to occur, etc etc. That's the epitome of automation right there. Unless you somehow think that automation requires it to play the whole game for you or something weird like that? Because that... well, that's simply naive at best, totally incorrect at worst...
The "can it be done with pencil and paper" standard has been there since deck tracking tools existed.
This right here destroys your argument. A deck tracker automates the "pen and paper" action for you. If you deny this version of automation, then you have to deny that a actual bot automates the playing of cards from your hand onto the game board.
It's true that bots don't prevent you from obtaining items (except....they kind of do, in that they force you to play a certain deck or deck style in order to get your win and thus 10g).
In exactly the same way that players using carbon copy netdecks do, yes? So your logical argument is that all netdeckers are now "biological" bots too, right? Because that's where this logical thought track leads.
These bots are budget versions of aggressive token decks. Their existence at low MMR means you are forced into playing a stronger or control style deck in order to get your wins and have a better MMR; conceding or playing your greedy homebrew deck just keeps your MMR low and facing more bots. "Taking a free win" is not why I play casual. "Making the game easier" is not why I play casual.
This just sounds like a carbon copy post that someone else posted either here or in another thread. It was as pointless then as it is now. Who cares why you play casual? That's like the people who whine about players who test Tier 1 decks in casual because they "don't play casual to face competitive decks". Sorry, but the game does not revolve around your ego, my friend.
But interesting that in your claim to not be defending bots.....these two reasons are EXACTLY why people make bots - making the game easier and getting free/effortless wins.
It's interesting that I understand the nature of how bots work and why they exist? Well I ought to, considering I spent years coding and designing game systems that were implemented to combat gold farmers. If I didn't know what I was talking about, I'd be surprised.
The points I've made are not in defence of bots (even if you try to twist my words to imply such a thing) - they are to display the fact that bots in Hearthstone do not affect other players in any truly detrimental way. Unless having fun and winning games is considered "detrimental" of course. In which case, I'll happily concede that one.
This is incorrect. Arena tools are not "automated control of a Game, or any other feature of the Platform
What exactly do you think that a deck tracker does? It automates the process of noting cards played / drawn / likely to occur, etc etc. That's the epitome of automation right there. Unless you somehow think that automation requires it to play the whole game for you or something weird like that? Because that... well, that's simply naive at best, totally incorrect at worst...
The "can it be done with pencil and paper" standard has been there since deck tracking tools existed.
This right here destroys your argument. A deck tracker automates the "pen and paper" action for you. If you deny this version of automation, then you have to deny that a actual bot automates the playing of cards from your hand onto the game board.
It's true that bots don't prevent you from obtaining items (except....they kind of do, in that they force you to play a certain deck or deck style in order to get your win and thus 10g).
In exactly the same way that players using carbon copy netdecks do, yes? So your logical argument is that all netdeckers are now "biological" bots too, right? Because that's where this logical thought track leads.
These bots are budget versions of aggressive token decks. Their existence at low MMR means you are forced into playing a stronger or control style deck in order to get your wins and have a better MMR; conceding or playing your greedy homebrew deck just keeps your MMR low and facing more bots. "Taking a free win" is not why I play casual. "Making the game easier" is not why I play casual.
This just sounds like a carbon copy post that someone else posted either here or in another thread. It was as pointless then as it is now. Who cares why you play casual? That's like the people who whine about players who test Tier 1 decks in casual because they "don't play casual to face competitive decks". Sorry, but the game does not revolve around your ego, my friend.
But interesting that in your claim to not be defending bots.....these two reasons are EXACTLY why people make bots - making the game easier and getting free/effortless wins.
It's interesting that I understand the nature of how bots work and why they exist? Well I ought to, considering I spent years coding and designing game systems that were implemented to combat gold farmers. If I didn't know what I was talking about, I'd be surprised.
The points I've made are not in defence of bots (even if you try to twist my words to imply such a thing) - they are to display the fact that bots in Hearthstone do not affect other players in any truly detrimental way. Unless having fun and winning games is considered "detrimental" of course. In which case, I'll happily concede that one.
On deck trackers as automation: The rules prohibit "bots; i.e. any code and/or software, not expressly authorized by Blizzard, that allows the automated control of a Game, or any other feature of the Platform, e.g. the automated control of a character in a Game;" The rules do not prohibit "automation" as a concept. Deck trackers do not automate the game, playing of the game, or control of the game.
On pen and paper as automation: Same statement.
On carbon copy netdecks as automation/bots: Um....what.
On "who cares about your experience in casual?" Blizzard does. I'm a player, and my experience matters. I'm not THE ONLY player who's experience matters, but I am part of the playerbase.
On "winning games" as the reason people play casual: that is simply untrue. Exhibit A - me. I play casual to play greedy homebrew decks.
edit: I'd like to make one last statement which I 100% stand behind - Arguing that bots aren't as big of a problem as we think IS arguing in favor of bots. You are either in support of the TOS and are against bots....or you are against the TOS and in support of bots. There is no middleground.
We need bots in wild, sometimes yo look 10 minutes for a game
That just means you need more players. Blizzard hasn't really done much to give people a reason to play Wild.
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Win more games so your MMR goes higher and you won't see them at all. I play both modes casual and wild and never see a robot as I win and my MMR is high enough I'm never facing bottom feeder players.
All these consistent posts that keep coming up about bots are just telling us that you aren't very good at Hearthstone.
Actually not true. As noticed in similar topic, you can even meet them at Rank 12, when you had a win streak of 5 consecutive wins...
https://www.hearthpwn.com/forums/hearthstone-general/general-discussion/230285-there-seem-to-be-a-lot-more-bots-or?comment=33
It is not something strange, that Blizzard might just want to decrease player's waiting times in Queues. More time in queue = more likely to exit the game, so Bots in queue are an easy solution. Wild has lowest player numbers, so that's kind of understandable imo.
I dont get it. How do the bots farm golds??
If you find a deck that is reasonably competitive and rather simple to play, then when you let a bot play this deck - even the bot can get some wins. Even if winratio isn't particularly high, but you leave a bot running for hours... it will get some wins while you are away.
I would never even think about it, it's just not worth it risking your account, even if the chance to get banned isn't high. Botting and gold farming is a thing tho, for account sellers. Online games have to deal with them for years now.
please don't ban bots i need easy play mode wins gold thanks
Simple solution: play ranked.
There's almost no interaction with your opponent whatsoever in this game so it's almost the same.
If these bots had different decks with real cards and ''real'' names I'm sure a lot of people wouldn't even notice they're bots. Especially if they used emotes once in a while.
First of all, bots (specifically) are considered (in the ToS) as a form of cheating: ref: https://www.blizzard.com/en-us/legal/fba4d00f-c7e4-4883-b8b9-1b4500a402ea/blizzard-end-user-license-agreement
However, botting in Hearthstone is not quite the same as botting in games like WoW or Runescape.
In those games, the bots detrimentally affect another person's gameplay which isn't the case in Hearthstone. (You wouldn't even know it was a bot if not for the odd username; otherwise you would just think it was a bad player, enjoy the feeling of superiority when you win and move on). In these other games, however, bots prevent players getting access to in game resources, which directly prevents other players from progressing. That's the difference. Where the big problem lies (in terms of legality) is the selling of an account (which is what the purpose of the bot is for).
The only possible contingency for a grey area in claiming whether a bot in Hearthstone is against the ToS or not is the usage of 3rd party software to enhance the game. But if you are willing to concede this, then you would also have to include any kind of deck tracking tool or Arena help tool, etc that provides the same level of advantage over other players.
And that's why you can't really complain about bots in general.
Because Blizzard are sneaky and caveat their anti-bot policy with a catch-all that basically says "You can't use any 3rd party software....unless we say you can". Which is fine and they are perfectly entitled to do so - but there's an insidious side to this. At any time they feel like it, they can change their mind and then suddenly the use of that software (like HDT etc) can cause you to lose your account access.
That's not a "defence" of bots; nor is it a claim that bots are a good thing. But it is an explanation of why they are not as problematic as this thread OP would suggest. Take the win, enjoy the win. The bot made the game easier for you. How anyone can complain about this is somewhat baffling.
That's your opinion, it is against ToS, end of story.
@ both
As far as I know, the deck has to be easy to pilot, so that the bot would do as few mistakes as possible. It mustn't also indicate the opponent that a bot and not the player is playing atm. If someone picks a control list for example, the bot will make noob-y mistakes (like playing cards, whenever they are green) and will take a lot of time to consider its possibilities, which can lead to them roping and skipping their turn.
@ NewPlayer
2 years ago (back in MSoG) I constantly faced pirate warriors bots, today I faced one even shaman. As you can see, the aforementioned lists belong to the aggro archtype and thus their games last only a couple of minutes. If the deck has a reasonable win-rate, the bot will achieve easy wins fast and will provide the user with the daily 100 g regularly.
Not much of a rebuttal there, really.
You didn't address any of the points, and resort to simply agreeing with my point about the ToS as if that somehow is relevant to the rest of what I said.
How disappointing.
Your understanding of bots is just your misguided opinion and the ToS has nothing to do with it.
End of Story
Guys remember it is not official blizzard forum. And blizzard is not omniscient. There are millions of accounts, detecting every bot is hard. They have ways to report them.
I'll just leave a link to a more official similar discussion, to which blizzard employee responded, because it was on official blizzard forum:
https://us.battle.net/forums/en/hearthstone/topic/20752676433
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Nope, just because you choose to circle jerk with yourself about bots because you want to prove to yourself that you're right about something that's binary, it's forbidden or it's not. You're trying to turn it into a philosophical debate for god knows why.
You can try to be all haughty about it, you're still wrong.
For the people who are asking how do bots could make gold:
My understanding is that multiple bot accounts are being run simultaneously, thus making them kinda close MMR with one another - and higher chance of match being bot vs bot. We see them because sometimes one bot could jump in MMR and be matched against a real person.
Now I would think they are selling 'fresh' accounts which have a bit of gold, leveled up classes, etc.
Honestly, I would never think this is good business, but seems to be profitable for someone.
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Except it's not binary. That's the whole point. Just because you refuse to believe it, doesn't make it so. Sorry.
There's nothing "haughty" (wtf? Lol) about it.
If you can't accept the fact that there is more to an issue than your blinkered narrow-minded view of it, then ok. We can leave it at that. But don't be so intellectually dishonest as to try and force others to accept that view simply because you've chosen to convince yourself of it.
What exactly do you think that a deck tracker does? It automates the process of noting cards played / drawn / likely to occur, etc etc. That's the epitome of automation right there. Unless you somehow think that automation requires it to play the whole game for you or something weird like that? Because that... well, that's simply naive at best, totally incorrect at worst...
This right here destroys your argument.
A deck tracker automates the "pen and paper" action for you. If you deny this version of automation, then you have to deny that a actual bot automates the playing of cards from your hand onto the game board.
In exactly the same way that players using carbon copy netdecks do, yes? So your logical argument is that all netdeckers are now "biological" bots too, right? Because that's where this logical thought track leads.
This just sounds like a carbon copy post that someone else posted either here or in another thread. It was as pointless then as it is now.
Who cares why you play casual? That's like the people who whine about players who test Tier 1 decks in casual because they "don't play casual to face competitive decks".
Sorry, but the game does not revolve around your ego, my friend.
It's interesting that I understand the nature of how bots work and why they exist?
Well I ought to, considering I spent years coding and designing game systems that were implemented to combat gold farmers.
If I didn't know what I was talking about, I'd be surprised.
The points I've made are not in defence of bots (even if you try to twist my words to imply such a thing) - they are to display the fact that bots in Hearthstone do not affect other players in any truly detrimental way.
Unless having fun and winning games is considered "detrimental" of course. In which case, I'll happily concede that one.
On deck trackers as automation: The rules prohibit "bots; i.e. any code and/or software, not expressly authorized by Blizzard, that allows the automated control of a Game, or any other feature of the Platform, e.g. the automated control of a character in a Game;" The rules do not prohibit "automation" as a concept. Deck trackers do not automate the game, playing of the game, or control of the game.
On pen and paper as automation: Same statement.
On carbon copy netdecks as automation/bots: Um....what.
On "who cares about your experience in casual?" Blizzard does. I'm a player, and my experience matters. I'm not THE ONLY player who's experience matters, but I am part of the playerbase.
On "winning games" as the reason people play casual: that is simply untrue. Exhibit A - me. I play casual to play greedy homebrew decks.
edit: I'd like to make one last statement which I 100% stand behind - Arguing that bots aren't as big of a problem as we think IS arguing in favor of bots. You are either in support of the TOS and are against bots....or you are against the TOS and in support of bots. There is no middleground.
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When is blizzard going to ban those win traders and HGG cheaters? The answer is the same. They are not.