I'm sure some people will criticize me for me talking about this in my first post, but I'm not being rude or angry. I really don't understand this. Almost every time I'm playing someone and they get lethal, and they have the ability to play extra cards, they play as many other cards as they can. I'm not talking about times when someone is playing extra cards to complete as quest. I'm talking about people playing extra cards because they obviously get some sort of satisfaction out of it. I mean, bad loosers are pretty silly, but bad winners? Is it really so important to so many players to be mean instead of a good winner?
Honestly, I don't play other interactive games online, so if this is how most people behave and everyone is jaded, I don't know what to say... but I never experience this type of thing in real life, and I wouldn't really expect to ever experience it online. I know, I'm probably naive, but don't people just want to have fun and be nice. I sometimes wonder if people are actually having fun, given how stressed and angry and mean so many players seem to be. And one thing I really don't get is when people play extra cards just to be mean and then say well played, like they don't even realize they were being a really poor winner just a few seconds earlier.
I'm sure some people will say I'm too sensitive, but that just seems like blaming the person who wants to treated normally, instead of blaming the people who are being mean. I mean, we're playing online, but we're still real people playing against each other. I realize that this isn't the only type of bad behavior we see, but I really am just perplexed by how often I see this. Personally, even if my opponent has been a jerk, I still don't act like this. That would just lower my opinion of myself, to be honest. I don't see what I'm missing here. I know sometime people think they're being funny with the BM, but just trying to rub salt in the wound of someone you just beat is just mean.
At least that's how I feel. And I'm not trying to tell people how to behave. I just don't understand how so many people are perfectly happy acting that way though. Maybe I should start a league of players who value good behavior, lol. GB instead of BM. Or maybe I should just go back to playing games with my friends.
most of the time when i play HS im just doing my quests. so when when my quest is "play 20 hunter cards" i will play as much cards as i can to complete the quest.
There might actually be two reasons that make playing extra cards objectively better than not playing those cards.
1st there's quest like "play x classcards" or "play x cards that cost 2 mana or less" - Oftentimes when I "bm" i actually just want to get the gold out of the nowadays rare playtime that I have, probably others think so aswell without any intent of behaving rude.
2ndly you actually get more xp for the number of cards played in a single game, so if you play more cards in a match you get your class to lvl 60 faster to earn those golden basic cards.
The game actually rewards people to play as many cards possible in every match. Not saying there is no BM, there definitely is, but sometimes ppl have objective reasons to behave in a way that others might consider offensive.
If you see that your enemy has lethal on board or plays cards that would kill you you have the option to concede to save yourself the time. Try not to get emotionally invested too much from ppl behaving like jerks, that's not good for both your mood and your mindset for upcoming matches.
2) If it was a game where it looks close on the board, but in hand, I knew it was definitively my win, I'll sometimes play a card or two just to let them know that it didn't matter what they did, especially if it looked like they had a hard time deciding between multiple lines of play the turn before. That way, they don't beat themselves up for taking the 'wrong' play; they then know they didn't have a winning play and therefore you are letting them know they didn't make a mistake.
Thanks for the replies. I know that it's unrealistic to expect everyone to be nice, in games or in life, but, I'll admit, I do take it personally more than I should. I really believe that you shouldn't treat someone worse online than you should treat them in real life. On the other hand, my getting stressed or frustrated doesn't hurt anyone but me, particularly since the people that BM on purpose only seem to get off when they make people angry. It's about control, I guess. Who knows.
I also don't really understand why people love telling you that you made an error so much. I mean, sometimes, you just don't have the card for a good play, or you take a risk and good-old RNG screws you. I've never use that emote to criticize how my opponent played, but some people can't wait ti hit it. Yeah, I know, I'm being sensitive, but, again, imagine if people acted like this in real life. All the games I've played in real life, no one's really acted like that.
Oh well, I guess I should just focus on the good and not beat myself up about it. I know worse happens, and some of it has happened to me when I've answered friend requests. It just freaks me out a bit when lots of people act silly or mean, as opposed to getting a jerk who friends you just to call you a bunch of bad names.
As above this is sometimes done as a measure of courtesy since its as close as we get to showing our hand at the end of the game as some players are interested to know how close they were to winning.
You know what's mean and irritating? Opponent is about to lose and realizes it, but instead of conceding, he closes the game completely and makes me wait for the *your opponent left* notification.
If you have lethal, and if you play extra cards just to try to humiliate your opponent, I think that's mean. I'm not saying everyone acts that way for the same reason, and I appreciate the fact that it's been pointed out that sometimes it can be a courtesy and not just BM. On the other hand, imagine if you kept on playing a game in real life after you'd beaten your opponent, just to make yourself feel superior or whatever. I mean, you're playing against real people, who have feelings.
I'm not trying to tell people how to act, nut it just bothers me when I see people who need to make people feel bad in order to feel good. (Yeah, maybe the Internet is a bad idea for me, lol.)
There is no actual evidence whatsoever to suggest that a player is trying to be mean when they play out their hand. None. This concept is completely fabricated. Unless someone adds you and starts cursing off you and your mother, you have no reason to believe they're trying to be mean, and assuming that they're being a bad person based on trash evidence is rude in and of itself.
In a close match, I really appreciate when my opponent "reveals" his hand. It gives you good feedback on your hand-tracking and on the lines you took as a result. Sometimes it also makes you aware of certain cards you should and could have played around.
2) If it was a game where it looks close on the board, but in hand, I knew it was definitively my win, I'll sometimes play a card or two just to let them know that it didn't matter what they did, especially if it looked like they had a hard time deciding between multiple lines of play the turn before. That way, they don't beat themselves up for taking the 'wrong' play; they then know they didn't have a winning play and therefore you are letting them know they didn't make a mistake.
3) Being a jerk.
this second one exactly. so the opponent knows it wasn't close. same way I dont wanna think they top decked that exact image for game and instead would want to see that they had many options and I was already doomed. In real card games like Yugioh they could just show their hand or set spells and traps at the end to show that they were gonna win no matter what. but you cant do this I hearthstone.
There are several reasons for which players may want to play more cards:
1. To finish or progress in the daily quest completion
2. To gain more xp as it is derivative of the number of cards played and matches won
3. To show cards in the hand to an opponent (a pretty nice tool to see how close you were/how far ahead your opponent was, so I think it is rather a good cause)
Some people may want to close out the game asap, which is fair, some people don't which is fair too. If you don't want to expose yourself to this, you can concede or/and mute them from emoting.
The most important thing that helps me enjoy the game is looking on the brighter side of things. Few examples:
1. Opponent plays more cards than needed. One way of interpreting: 'he's a douchebag'. Another way: 'he is letting me know what cards he had and how close of the game it was if I stayed alive this turn'.
2. Opponent emotes 'Well Played'. One way of interpreting it: 'he's a sarcastic moron'. Another way: 'the guy enjoyed the match and wanted to tell me that/compliment me on the plays that I made'.
Trust me, looking on the bright side of things and pushing away negativity really helps to enjoy the game more. You're just interpreting this from a perspective of a gamer that wants to grief on you. With no doubt, there are cancerous people but even then, interpreting what they do from a more positive perspective allows you to enjoy the game more and that will disrupt their objective of bringing negative game experience to you.
Just remember to have as much fun as you can. This is a game. A place to relax from routine, not stress out about something
I mostly do it in situations where I want to show people that topdecking wouldn't save them...for example, opponent has 5 Health remaining, I play Death Coil and kill their minion, then play topdecked Leeroy for lethal. Might be interpreted as a douchebag move, but I usually consider it better than for him to think "that fucker beat me on a 12.5% chance to get exactly Death Coil off Lich King", idk.
Dear LordPikachuStarscream: How have I made assumptions, other than assuming that people play extra cards for both good and bad reasons? The reason I started this thread was because I was looking for reasons for this behavior beyond any assumptions I might make, and was looking for some reassurances that the behavior was something other than BM.
I've played a lot of games in real life, from chess, to poker, to pool, to basketball, and etc., etc. Never has anyone continued trying to beat me after the game was over in any of those real-life situations, and it would seem absurd and bad manners if someone had. So, instead of assuming that everyone who behaved this way in Hearthstone was a troll, I asked for opinions here... and have gotten some good input on why someone might act this was for a good reason, along with confirmation that some people are just being jerks.
So, you think I'm being rude because I feel that a certain percentage of people are playing extra cards as BM? Do you play extra cards after you have lethal, does it make you feel superior, are you disturbed by the thought that someone might be bothered by the action and think less of you for it? I'm not assuming that this is the case, but why deny that some people do this just to rub their opponents' noses in a loss? I'm not criticizing anyone that does this for any positive or benign reason. I'm just trying to figure out if it's all BM, or it most of it is innocent. This is why I asked about this, to find out. Why would you want to limit or belittle my trying to understand this better? And why blame the victim in those instances where the behavior is BM?
Granted, I've been too sensitive, and I'm actually very glad I started this thread, since I now realize that there are some good reasons for playing extra cards that aren't negative, not to mention that I've gotten some good advice about not stressing out when playing the game. On the other hand, to act like there isn't BM in the game is absurd, and considering someone's right to act badly as being an inalienable right while considering someone's desire to be treated with respect as invalid is backwards.
To clarify, if anyone is playing extra cards at the end of a game for non-BM reasons, I'm in no way criticizing you. In fact, because of some of the helpful and nice responses I've gotten here, I will try to look at this type of thing as extra information, as opposed to something bothersome. On the other hand, if anyone is doing this just because it might humiliate me and make them feel superior, then that is what it is as well, and there's no reason to deny it. I think that this is going to help me just relax and enjoy the game more... but that doesn't mean that I don't feel that some people should place more value on treating people better.
I don't see any problem here, it's just a videogame dude, but you must live under a rock or something, considering you said you have never experienced this kind of things in real life.
I do all the time what the community chooses to call "BM". Elsewhere, its called "banter".
"BM", like fireballing creatures before going face with exodia mage (which I never played by the way, its just an example), is the only thing that a bot would never do. The humor in it makes come to the fore the fact you're playing against an actual human being, not a machine.
So I say hello, I say hello again if my opponent doesn't answer, I threaten if he still doesn't answer, I make fun of my opponent when he does something stupid, I make it suspenseful if its a tight game and he knows I may have lethal, I say well played when he makes a nice play, I say oops when I make a mistake, I say oops again if I can't get over it, I threaten if his play makes me salty...
I wan't to interact as much as possible with the human being at the other side. And often I don't get any answer, and I guess I get squelched. Why, because people don't want "salt rubbed in their wounds" ? What game are you playing, an world cup final ?
And yes I definitely play extra cards before lethal. If I have lethal with a 15/23 Lynessa that I Zola'd the turn before, I'm playing the second one before going face. Because the animation is cool, because two 15/23 Lynessas on board is cool, because I'm enjoying my win, as I should.
You said you played basketball. What happens when you dunk on someone ? Isn't there some "rubbing it in" going on afterwards ? What about "trash talk" ? Do you find all that to be bad mannered ?
I remember once my opponent was a tempo mage, I was holding with taunts and healing. It got to a point where I had something like 3 life left and lethal on board for next turn, the opponent without any cards in hand. He drew and then spent the entire turn hovering the card he drew over the playing field. I was on the edge of my seat the whole time, laughing at the situation. I think it turned out in my favor, but in any case he made the tension higher, as "BM" generally does. Thats the kind of stuff I like, and that doesn't happen as much as it should because it's considered "BM".
I'm sure some people will criticize me for me talking about this in my first post, but I'm not being rude or angry. I really don't understand this. Almost every time I'm playing someone and they get lethal, and they have the ability to play extra cards, they play as many other cards as they can. I'm not talking about times when someone is playing extra cards to complete as quest. I'm talking about people playing extra cards because they obviously get some sort of satisfaction out of it. I mean, bad loosers are pretty silly, but bad winners? Is it really so important to so many players to be mean instead of a good winner?
Honestly, I don't play other interactive games online, so if this is how most people behave and everyone is jaded, I don't know what to say... but I never experience this type of thing in real life, and I wouldn't really expect to ever experience it online. I know, I'm probably naive, but don't people just want to have fun and be nice. I sometimes wonder if people are actually having fun, given how stressed and angry and mean so many players seem to be. And one thing I really don't get is when people play extra cards just to be mean and then say well played, like they don't even realize they were being a really poor winner just a few seconds earlier.
I'm sure some people will say I'm too sensitive, but that just seems like blaming the person who wants to treated normally, instead of blaming the people who are being mean. I mean, we're playing online, but we're still real people playing against each other. I realize that this isn't the only type of bad behavior we see, but I really am just perplexed by how often I see this. Personally, even if my opponent has been a jerk, I still don't act like this. That would just lower my opinion of myself, to be honest. I don't see what I'm missing here. I know sometime people think they're being funny with the BM, but just trying to rub salt in the wound of someone you just beat is just mean.
At least that's how I feel. And I'm not trying to tell people how to behave. I just don't understand how so many people are perfectly happy acting that way though. Maybe I should start a league of players who value good behavior, lol. GB instead of BM. Or maybe I should just go back to playing games with my friends.
I'm sure some people will criticize me for me talking about this in my first post, but I'm not being rude or angry. I really don't understand this. Almost every time I'm playing someone and they get lethal, and they have the ability to play extra cards, they play as many other cards as they can. I'm not talking about times when someone is playing extra cards to complete as quest. I'm talking about people playing extra cards because they obviously get some sort of satisfaction out of it. I mean, bad loosers are pretty silly, but bad winners? Is it really so important to so many players to be mean instead of a good winner?
Honestly, I don't play other interactive games online, so if this is how most people behave and everyone is jaded, I don't know what to say... but I never experience this type of thing in real life, and I wouldn't really expect to ever experience it online. I know, I'm probably naive, but don't people just want to have fun and be nice. I sometimes wonder if people are actually having fun, given how stressed and angry and mean so many players seem to be. And one thing I really don't get is when people play extra cards just to be mean and then say well played, like they don't even realize they were being a really poor winner just a few seconds earlier.
I'm sure some people will say I'm too sensitive, but that just seems like blaming the person who wants to treated normally, instead of blaming the people who are being mean. I mean, we're playing online, but we're still real people playing against each other. I realize that this isn't the only type of bad behavior we see, but I really am just perplexed by how often I see this. Personally, even if my opponent has been a jerk, I still don't act like this. That would just lower my opinion of myself, to be honest. I don't see what I'm missing here. I know sometime people think they're being funny with the BM, but just trying to rub salt in the wound of someone you just beat is just mean.
At least that's how I feel. And I'm not trying to tell people how to behave. I just don't understand how so many people are perfectly happy acting that way though. Maybe I should start a league of players who value good behavior, lol. GB instead of BM. Or maybe I should just go back to playing games with my friends.
most of the time when i play HS im just doing my quests. so when when my quest is "play 20 hunter cards" i will play as much cards as i can to complete the quest.
There might actually be two reasons that make playing extra cards objectively better than not playing those cards.
1st there's quest like "play x classcards" or "play x cards that cost 2 mana or less" - Oftentimes when I "bm" i actually just want to get the gold out of the nowadays rare playtime that I have, probably others think so aswell without any intent of behaving rude.
2ndly you actually get more xp for the number of cards played in a single game, so if you play more cards in a match you get your class to lvl 60 faster to earn those golden basic cards.
The game actually rewards people to play as many cards possible in every match. Not saying there is no BM, there definitely is, but sometimes ppl have objective reasons to behave in a way that others might consider offensive.
If you see that your enemy has lethal on board or plays cards that would kill you you have the option to concede to save yourself the time. Try not to get emotionally invested too much from ppl behaving like jerks, that's not good for both your mood and your mindset for upcoming matches.
Have fun playing! :)
1) Finish play X quests.
2) If it was a game where it looks close on the board, but in hand, I knew it was definitively my win, I'll sometimes play a card or two just to let them know that it didn't matter what they did, especially if it looked like they had a hard time deciding between multiple lines of play the turn before. That way, they don't beat themselves up for taking the 'wrong' play; they then know they didn't have a winning play and therefore you are letting them know they didn't make a mistake.
3) Being a jerk.
Thanks for the replies. I know that it's unrealistic to expect everyone to be nice, in games or in life, but, I'll admit, I do take it personally more than I should. I really believe that you shouldn't treat someone worse online than you should treat them in real life. On the other hand, my getting stressed or frustrated doesn't hurt anyone but me, particularly since the people that BM on purpose only seem to get off when they make people angry. It's about control, I guess. Who knows.
I also don't really understand why people love telling you that you made an error so much. I mean, sometimes, you just don't have the card for a good play, or you take a risk and good-old RNG screws you. I've never use that emote to criticize how my opponent played, but some people can't wait ti hit it. Yeah, I know, I'm being sensitive, but, again, imagine if people acted like this in real life. All the games I've played in real life, no one's really acted like that.
Oh well, I guess I should just focus on the good and not beat myself up about it. I know worse happens, and some of it has happened to me when I've answered friend requests. It just freaks me out a bit when lots of people act silly or mean, as opposed to getting a jerk who friends you just to call you a bunch of bad names.
As above this is sometimes done as a measure of courtesy since its as close as we get to showing our hand at the end of the game as some players are interested to know how close they were to winning.
How is it mean to play cards?
You know what's mean and irritating? Opponent is about to lose and realizes it, but instead of conceding, he closes the game completely and makes me wait for the *your opponent left* notification.
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If you have lethal, and if you play extra cards just to try to humiliate your opponent, I think that's mean. I'm not saying everyone acts that way for the same reason, and I appreciate the fact that it's been pointed out that sometimes it can be a courtesy and not just BM. On the other hand, imagine if you kept on playing a game in real life after you'd beaten your opponent, just to make yourself feel superior or whatever. I mean, you're playing against real people, who have feelings.
I'm not trying to tell people how to act, nut it just bothers me when I see people who need to make people feel bad in order to feel good. (Yeah, maybe the Internet is a bad idea for me, lol.)
There is no actual evidence whatsoever to suggest that a player is trying to be mean when they play out their hand. None. This concept is completely fabricated. Unless someone adds you and starts cursing off you and your mother, you have no reason to believe they're trying to be mean, and assuming that they're being a bad person based on trash evidence is rude in and of itself.
In a close match, I really appreciate when my opponent "reveals" his hand. It gives you good feedback on your hand-tracking and on the lines you took as a result. Sometimes it also makes you aware of certain cards you should and could have played around.
this second one exactly. so the opponent knows it wasn't close. same way I dont wanna think they top decked that exact image for game and instead would want to see that they had many options and I was already doomed. In real card games like Yugioh they could just show their hand or set spells and traps at the end to show that they were gonna win no matter what. but you cant do this I hearthstone.
There are several reasons for which players may want to play more cards:
1. To finish or progress in the daily quest completion
2. To gain more xp as it is derivative of the number of cards played and matches won
3. To show cards in the hand to an opponent (a pretty nice tool to see how close you were/how far ahead your opponent was, so I think it is rather a good cause)
Some people may want to close out the game asap, which is fair, some people don't which is fair too. If you don't want to expose yourself to this, you can concede or/and mute them from emoting.
The most important thing that helps me enjoy the game is looking on the brighter side of things. Few examples:
1. Opponent plays more cards than needed. One way of interpreting: 'he's a douchebag'. Another way: 'he is letting me know what cards he had and how close of the game it was if I stayed alive this turn'.
2. Opponent emotes 'Well Played'. One way of interpreting it: 'he's a sarcastic moron'. Another way: 'the guy enjoyed the match and wanted to tell me that/compliment me on the plays that I made'.
Trust me, looking on the bright side of things and pushing away negativity really helps to enjoy the game more. You're just interpreting this from a perspective of a gamer that wants to grief on you. With no doubt, there are cancerous people but even then, interpreting what they do from a more positive perspective allows you to enjoy the game more and that will disrupt their objective of bringing negative game experience to you.
Just remember to have as much fun as you can. This is a game. A place to relax from routine, not stress out about something
I mostly do it in situations where I want to show people that topdecking wouldn't save them...for example, opponent has 5 Health remaining, I play Death Coil and kill their minion, then play topdecked Leeroy for lethal. Might be interpreted as a douchebag move, but I usually consider it better than for him to think "that fucker beat me on a 12.5% chance to get exactly Death Coil off Lich King", idk.
You can't stop the signal.
Dear LordPikachuStarscream: How have I made assumptions, other than assuming that people play extra cards for both good and bad reasons? The reason I started this thread was because I was looking for reasons for this behavior beyond any assumptions I might make, and was looking for some reassurances that the behavior was something other than BM.
I've played a lot of games in real life, from chess, to poker, to pool, to basketball, and etc., etc. Never has anyone continued trying to beat me after the game was over in any of those real-life situations, and it would seem absurd and bad manners if someone had. So, instead of assuming that everyone who behaved this way in Hearthstone was a troll, I asked for opinions here... and have gotten some good input on why someone might act this was for a good reason, along with confirmation that some people are just being jerks.
So, you think I'm being rude because I feel that a certain percentage of people are playing extra cards as BM? Do you play extra cards after you have lethal, does it make you feel superior, are you disturbed by the thought that someone might be bothered by the action and think less of you for it? I'm not assuming that this is the case, but why deny that some people do this just to rub their opponents' noses in a loss? I'm not criticizing anyone that does this for any positive or benign reason. I'm just trying to figure out if it's all BM, or it most of it is innocent. This is why I asked about this, to find out. Why would you want to limit or belittle my trying to understand this better? And why blame the victim in those instances where the behavior is BM?
Granted, I've been too sensitive, and I'm actually very glad I started this thread, since I now realize that there are some good reasons for playing extra cards that aren't negative, not to mention that I've gotten some good advice about not stressing out when playing the game. On the other hand, to act like there isn't BM in the game is absurd, and considering someone's right to act badly as being an inalienable right while considering someone's desire to be treated with respect as invalid is backwards.
To clarify, if anyone is playing extra cards at the end of a game for non-BM reasons, I'm in no way criticizing you. In fact, because of some of the helpful and nice responses I've gotten here, I will try to look at this type of thing as extra information, as opposed to something bothersome. On the other hand, if anyone is doing this just because it might humiliate me and make them feel superior, then that is what it is as well, and there's no reason to deny it. I think that this is going to help me just relax and enjoy the game more... but that doesn't mean that I don't feel that some people should place more value on treating people better.
I don't see any problem here, it's just a videogame dude, but you must live under a rock or something, considering you said you have never experienced this kind of things in real life.
In an obvious losing situation where the opponent is emptying their hand instead of ending the game, just concede.
If you are in your first year of playing please read this post.
Dust does not burn a hole in the jar. Be careful what you craft, especially before and right after a rotation.
I do all the time what the community chooses to call "BM". Elsewhere, its called "banter".
"BM", like fireballing creatures before going face with exodia mage (which I never played by the way, its just an example), is the only thing that a bot would never do. The humor in it makes come to the fore the fact you're playing against an actual human being, not a machine.
So I say hello, I say hello again if my opponent doesn't answer, I threaten if he still doesn't answer, I make fun of my opponent when he does something stupid, I make it suspenseful if its a tight game and he knows I may have lethal, I say well played when he makes a nice play, I say oops when I make a mistake, I say oops again if I can't get over it, I threaten if his play makes me salty...
I wan't to interact as much as possible with the human being at the other side. And often I don't get any answer, and I guess I get squelched. Why, because people don't want "salt rubbed in their wounds" ? What game are you playing, an world cup final ?
And yes I definitely play extra cards before lethal. If I have lethal with a 15/23 Lynessa that I Zola'd the turn before, I'm playing the second one before going face. Because the animation is cool, because two 15/23 Lynessas on board is cool, because I'm enjoying my win, as I should.
You said you played basketball. What happens when you dunk on someone ? Isn't there some "rubbing it in" going on afterwards ? What about "trash talk" ? Do you find all that to be bad mannered ?
I remember once my opponent was a tempo mage, I was holding with taunts and healing. It got to a point where I had something like 3 life left and lethal on board for next turn, the opponent without any cards in hand. He drew and then spent the entire turn hovering the card he drew over the playing field. I was on the edge of my seat the whole time, laughing at the situation. I think it turned out in my favor, but in any case he made the tension higher, as "BM" generally does. Thats the kind of stuff I like, and that doesn't happen as much as it should because it's considered "BM".
TLDR : BM = BS
This is a sincere question, how old are you?