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#293 Apr 29, 2016 (Old Gods)

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Oh ye boyz, nerf BGH and give Shaman a broken 4 mana 7/7

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#294 Apr 29, 2016 (Old Gods)
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[card]ure, there's no better removal than BGH, but saying that those classes would benefit from BGH based solely off of that fact is straight up illogical. It's perfectly reasonable to think that they would not benefit from running BGH[/card]

They would benefit vs Shaman...
They would benefit vs Control Warrior...

That's 50% of the current ladder..!

Reno would benefit every single class in the game against aggro shaman, why do people not run that in every single deck?

Also, from my experience, BGH would only benefit you in shaman matchups that either run 7+ atk minions or focus on evolve, which is most certainly not every shaman.

IF he had no requirements for his effect, they would. Every control deck would play him.

The problem, for the decks that do not run him, is sacrficing 4+ deck slots to worse cards to give him a realistic chance of working...

BGH isn't worse than any card, and doesn't require that you sacrifice deck slots to include inferior cards.

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#295 Apr 29, 2016 (Old Gods)
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Oh ye boyz, nerf BGH and give Shaman a broken 4 mana 7/7

With overload 2, who dies to the BGH that costs 5 mana -- while they get to keep their BGH when the Shaman is on overload 2.

It's power is about on par with, or slightly lower than, the nerfed BGH.

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#296 Apr 29, 2016 (Old Gods)
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IF he had no requirements for his effect, they would. Every control deck would play him.

Your logic:

Reno would help against certain decks, but you don't think he would benefit the deck as a whole.

BGH helping only against certain decks means he obviously benefits the deck as a whole.

See the problem there?

BGH isn't worse than any card

He's worse than a lot of cards actually.

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#297 Apr 29, 2016 (Old Gods)
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Lol all the whine threads about the new Warlock 4 mana 7/7. You wanted the BGH nerf. Now reap what you sow.

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#298 Apr 30, 2016 (Old Gods)
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IF he had no requirements for his effect, they would. Every control deck would play him.

Your logic:

Reno would help against certain decks, but you don't think he would benefit the deck as a whole.

BGH helping only against certain decks means he obviously benefits the deck as a whole.

See the problem there?

BGH isn't worse than any card

He's worse than a lot of cards actually.

My logic: Reno Jackson requires you to remove other great cards that help against aggro, for a one time heal that doesn't help remove aggro minions from the board, requiring you to have a multitude of removal options for all the opponent's aggro minions, without having duplicates.
Reno Jackson requires 1 deck slot, and forces you to change 6-8 deck slots from the optimal cards to sub-optimal ones.

BGH takes up one deck slot, and is now played with a 2.5 mana penalty when there are no targets in the opponent deck.
Compare to Shadow Word: Death, which can't be played at all if there's no targets when you draw it, and doesn't produce a minion.

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#299 Apr 30, 2016 (Old Gods)
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IF he had no requirements for his effect, they would. Every control deck would play him.

Your logic:

Reno would help against certain decks, but you don't think he would benefit the deck as a whole.

BGH helping only against certain decks means he obviously benefits the deck as a whole.

See the problem there?

BGH isn't worse than any card

He's worse than a lot of cards actually.

BGH takes up one deck slot, and is now played with a 2.5 mana penalty when there are no targets in the opponent deck.
Compare to Shadow Word: Death, which can't be played at all if there's no targets when you draw it, and doesn't produce a minion.

You might not want to bring up shadow word: death as it proves my point, not yours. It's an example of a card that has always been run over BGH even when BGH offered tempo and card advantage at the same price.

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#300 May 2, 2016 (Old Gods)
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IF he had no requirements for his effect, they would. Every control deck would play him.

Your logic:

Reno would help against certain decks, but you don't think he would benefit the deck as a whole.

BGH helping only against certain decks means he obviously benefits the deck as a whole.

See the problem there?

BGH isn't worse than any card

He's worse than a lot of cards actually.

BGH takes up one deck slot, and is now played with a 2.5 mana penalty when there are no targets in the opponent deck.
Compare to Shadow Word: Death, which can't be played at all if there's no targets when you draw it, and doesn't produce a minion.

You might not want to bring up shadow word: death as it proves my point, not yours. It's an example of a card that has always been run over BGH even when BGH offered tempo and card advantage at the same price.

It doesn't. Unlike all other classes, up until Entomb, priests had no other way to remove threats, and BGH was redundant on top of SW:D. Not because he's bad, but because priest spot removal was bad, up until Lightfoot and Entomb, and SWD was a necessity that made BGH less desirable for until those came along.

Dragon priests, for instance, sometimes ran BGH because dragons were effective enough to allow them not play SWD.

If you're poor, you've got to pick bread over cake.

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It doesn't. Unlike all other classes, up until Entomb, priests had no other way to remove threats, and BGH was redundant on top of SW:D.

You may want to look back at your comments. I said that classes will now consider other removal instead of BGH because of his increase in cost, and you disagreed with that. You said that BGH provides tempo and card advantage and that classes would not consider more versatile removal because of that. SW:D proves that they will, which means that you were wrong.

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It doesn't. Unlike all other classes, up until Entomb, priests had no other way to remove threats, and BGH was redundant on top of SW:D.

You may want to look back at your comments. I said that classes will now consider other removal instead of BGH because of his increase in cost, and you disagreed with that. You said that BGH provides tempo and card advantage and that classes would not consider more versatile removal because of that. SW:D proves that they will, which means that you were wrong.

People run BGH in addition to versatile removal, not instead of.

Priests won't use BGH, unless they're playing tempo, because they almost never did. Control druids, warriors and warlocks will.

Control Shaman may.

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It doesn't. Unlike all other classes, up until Entomb, priests had no other way to remove threats, and BGH was redundant on top of SW:D.

You may want to look back at your comments. I said that classes will now consider other removal instead of BGH because of his increase in cost, and you disagreed with that. You said that BGH provides tempo and card advantage and that classes would not consider more versatile removal because of that. SW:D proves that they will, which means that you were wrong.

People run BGH in addition to versatile removal, not instead of.

Priests won't use BGH, unless they're playing tempo, because they almost never did. Control druids, warriors and warlocks will.

Control Shaman may.

BGH has been run instead of versatile removal in a lot of classes in the past. Rogue is a prime example of that, and so is Druid.

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