Playing the second Azalina there while he knew that hunterace will have less big threats in his hand was not the best play there. He discarded/threw away his own big threats while maybe hoping that hunterace had topdecked hagatha so he could get it too. But that is the only reasonable gamble there and even then it was completely unnecessary.
Viper should have exhausted his own resources first (for opponent's Hex targets, and so on) and then refill with Azalina on empty hand, getting maximum value for second azalina, instead of throwing away huge value of his own. He also knew that hunterace still has one Hex, etc. while playing 2nd azalina and throwing away his own potential Hex/removal targets. This also leaves Viper with less breathing space and possibilities later on, as he could have known to be the case.
TL;DR, I see absolutely no reason for Viper to play Azalina there. (With his knowledge of what cards Hunterace has already played, and what cards he still has in his hand+deck)..
Ok lets say he does your play. 21 damage is on board after killing annoy o tron. He has 21 health. Your play was to give lethal on board to the opponent?
I definitely think viper made misplays. But judging by your post you have no clue what you're talking about.
Take it easy on the guys. They were under immense pressure. Tell me that you think you would have performed as well as they did or better. Come on man, give them a break. That game was a absolutely insane clown fiesta. They went blow for blow there all the way to the bitter end. I actually thought hunterace was going to concede after the first Azalina was played but I am really glad he didn't. He definitely taught me a lesson on what it means to never quit. That game was the nuts, I had a blast watching 2 world class pro players duke it out in the final game of the world championship. Well played and gg to both players!
We all know this game is not about skill , HS team already made the decks for us. Its zero creativity in deck making, you can see what cards fits togheter amile away.
They already know how the meta will be, its about how much time you have. And hoping you wont meet decks that beat ur decks.
Viper did misplay by not checking the secret first before playing his minions on the first match. But it's pretty bs that Rogues can now pull answers out of nowhere and from any class. It was bad enough when they could get answers from cards of your class but at least it was limited to that. Now they are going to start printing bs like Hench-Clan Burglar that allows them to get answers out of thin air. As if there wasn't enough RNG in the game. Good luck playing around all the dozens of random spells they can get now. And that random hunter secret decided the match. Very fair.
Viper did misplay by not checking the secret first before playing his minions on the first match. But it's pretty bs that Rogues can now pull answers out of nowhere and from any class. It was bad enough when they could get answers from cards of your class but at least it was limited to that. Now they are going to start printing bs like Hench-Clan Burglar that allows them to get answers out of thin air. As if there wasn't enough RNG in the game. Good luck playing around all the dozens of random spells they can get now. And that random hunter secret decided the match. Very fair.
His play is better vs misdirection though since he has a much better change that it cant prevent lethal with 2 lethal attackers. Wether that is a missplay or not would require a much deeper analysis and is not nearly as clear cut as you make it seem.
Playing the second Azalina there while he knew that hunterace will have less big threats in his hand was not the best play there. He discarded/threw away his own big threats while maybe hoping that hunterace had topdecked hagatha so he could get it too. But that is the only reasonable gamble there and even then it was completely unnecessary.
Viper should have exhausted his own resources first (for opponent's Hex targets, and so on) and then refill with Azalina on empty hand, getting maximum value for second azalina, instead of throwing away huge value of his own. He also knew that hunterace still has one Hex, etc. while playing 2nd azalina and throwing away his own potential Hex/removal targets. This also leaves Viper with less breathing space and possibilities later on, as he could have known to be the case.
TL;DR, I see absolutely no reason for Viper to play Azalina there. (With his knowledge of what cards Hunterace has already played, and what cards he still has in his hand+deck)..
Viper did misplay by not checking the secret first before playing his minions on the first match. But it's pretty bs that Rogues can now pull answers out of nowhere and from any class. It was bad enough when they could get answers from cards of your class but at least it was limited to that. Now they are going to start printing bs like Hench-Clan Burglar that allows them to get answers out of thin air. As if there wasn't enough RNG in the game. Good luck playing around all the dozens of random spells they can get now. And that random hunter secret decided the match. Very fair.
His play is better vs misdirection though since he has a much better change that it cant prevent lethal with 2 lethal attackers. Wether that is a missplay or not would require a much deeper analysis and is not nearly as clear cut as you make it seem.
Yeah, that makes sense. But i still think that it's unfair how Rogues can do this sort of bs now. As i said, it's one thing to know that your opponent is holding a random card from your class because it came from a more limited selection of cards. But it's another story when the card could be literally any spell from any class. Secrets are easier to deal with in this scenario but burn spells or board clears? Can't do anything about that.
Playing the second Azalina there while he knew that hunterace will have less big threats in his hand was not the best play there. He discarded/threw away his own big threats while maybe hoping that hunterace had topdecked hagatha so he could get it too. But that is the only reasonable gamble there and even then it was completely unnecessary.
Viper should have exhausted his own resources first (for opponent's Hex targets, and so on) and then refill with Azalina on empty hand, getting maximum value for second azalina, instead of throwing away huge value of his own. He also knew that hunterace still has one Hex, etc. while playing 2nd azalina and throwing away his own potential Hex/removal targets. This also leaves Viper with less breathing space and possibilities later on, as he could have known to be the case.
TL;DR, I see absolutely no reason for Viper to play Azalina there. (With his knowledge of what cards Hunterace has already played, and what cards he still has in his hand+deck)..
He was dead on board, it was his only out. And for the time it worked amazingly well for him.
Playing the second Azalina there while he knew that hunterace will have less big threats in his hand was not the best play there. He discarded/threw away his own big threats while maybe hoping that hunterace had topdecked hagatha so he could get it too. But that is the only reasonable gamble there and even then it was completely unnecessary.
Viper should have exhausted his own resources first (for opponent's Hex targets, and so on) and then refill with Azalina on empty hand, getting maximum value for second azalina, instead of throwing away huge value of his own. He also knew that hunterace still has one Hex, etc. while playing 2nd azalina and throwing away his own potential Hex/removal targets. This also leaves Viper with less breathing space and possibilities later on, as he could have known to be the case.
TL;DR, I see absolutely no reason for Viper to play Azalina there. (With his knowledge of what cards Hunterace has already played, and what cards he still has in his hand+deck)..
This has got to be one of the dumbest comments I've read. Azalina was the only play in that situation as we would have died otherwise. Plus with Kalegos on board it would let him cast a spell from his opponents hand for free. If he hadn't played Azalina he just flat out dies the next turn. what you're saying makes 0 sense.
Viper did misplay by not checking the secret first before playing his minions on the first match. But it's pretty bs that Rogues can now pull answers out of nowhere and from any class. It was bad enough when they could get answers from cards of your class but at least it was limited to that. Now they are going to start printing bs like Hench-Clan Burglar that allows them to get answers out of thin air. As if there wasn't enough RNG in the game. Good luck playing around all the dozens of random spells they can get now. And that random hunter secret decided the match. Very fair.
His play is better vs misdirection though since he has a much better change that it cant prevent lethal with 2 lethal attackers. Wether that is a missplay or not would require a much deeper analysis and is not nearly as clear cut as you make it seem.
While I agree that a lot of C-Students have decided that they are much better than the pros who actually played at the championships, it bears considering that Viper could have won the game by checking for Explosive first, then dropping the Stealth minion afterward.
Altogether, it was an incredibly difficult series of games to navigate - I suspect a lot of folks who think they've found a "misplay" have simply identified a line of play which was better in hindsight, but not actually a mistake. I'd suggest that playing the Stealth dude prior to checking for Explosive counts as a mistake, however - Hunterace's only "out" would have been a Taunt, and he only had one left in his deck. If Viper wanted to play around Misdirection, he was simply better off playing his own Taunt, and hoping his active WW Imp didn't get targeted by his Squire. The line of play he chose was "all in" on the Secret being Misdirection, and he lost his own "out" when it wasn't.
I missed the final, so i thought i'd watch a bit after reading this.
Game 1, turn 3 there's already a basic misplay, Hunterace attacked with his 2/5 into a 2/2 and his 2/1 into a 1/1 (the reverse would have left him with a 2/4 instead of 2/3).
Edit: Watched the rest of the match, Viper's play on turn 7 is the kind of throw you do on your first week of playing the game.
Opponent is at 1, you have a stealth 1/1 in hand, play it before attacking into a hunter trap...
His play is better vs misdirection though since he has a much better change that it cant prevent lethal with 2 lethal attackers. Wether that is a missplay or not would require a much deeper analysis and is not nearly as clear cut as you make it seem.
The fact that Hunterace chose to play the Burglar in that boardstate is a strong indicator that he has not drawn a taunt. Given that information, Viper does not need to go all in.
If i had to guess, I'd say the pressure lead Viper to overthink the situation and decide Hunterace had bluffed.
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plot twist they can only see their own hand. a surprise to be sure...but a welcome one.
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uaeviai: If he just plays his own threats in that situation he's dead on board.
Ok lets say he does your play. 21 damage is on board after killing annoy o tron. He has 21 health. Your play was to give lethal on board to the opponent?
I definitely think viper made misplays. But judging by your post you have no clue what you're talking about.
Take it easy on the guys. They were under immense pressure. Tell me that you think you would have performed as well as they did or better. Come on man, give them a break. That game was a absolutely insane clown fiesta. They went blow for blow there all the way to the bitter end. I actually thought hunterace was going to concede after the first Azalina was played but I am really glad he didn't. He definitely taught me a lesson on what it means to never quit. That game was the nuts, I had a blast watching 2 world class pro players duke it out in the final game of the world championship. Well played and gg to both players!
I'm not dead yet!
yeah he made a ton of mistakes... but he played worlds final, made a ton of money and you are here posting garbage...
We all know this game is not about skill , HS team already made the decks for us. Its zero creativity in deck making, you can see what cards fits togheter amile away.
They already know how the meta will be, its about how much time you have. And hoping you wont meet decks that beat ur decks.
Viper did misplay by not checking the secret first before playing his minions on the first match. But it's pretty bs that Rogues can now pull answers out of nowhere and from any class. It was bad enough when they could get answers from cards of your class but at least it was limited to that. Now they are going to start printing bs like Hench-Clan Burglar that allows them to get answers out of thin air. As if there wasn't enough RNG in the game. Good luck playing around all the dozens of random spells they can get now. And that random hunter secret decided the match. Very fair.
The whole HS PRO scene is forced and artificial.
His play is better vs misdirection though since he has a much better change that it cant prevent lethal with 2 lethal attackers. Wether that is a missplay or not would require a much deeper analysis and is not nearly as clear cut as you make it seem.
To the OP:
I found one in your title...does that count? ; )
"There is no spoon"
So you ARE trolling. Guess I'll report you then.
Yeah, that makes sense. But i still think that it's unfair how Rogues can do this sort of bs now. As i said, it's one thing to know that your opponent is holding a random card from your class because it came from a more limited selection of cards. But it's another story when the card could be literally any spell from any class. Secrets are easier to deal with in this scenario but burn spells or board clears? Can't do anything about that.
He was dead on board, it was his only out. And for the time it worked amazingly well for him.
This has got to be one of the dumbest comments I've read. Azalina was the only play in that situation as we would have died otherwise. Plus with Kalegos on board it would let him cast a spell from his opponents hand for free. If he hadn't played Azalina he just flat out dies the next turn. what you're saying makes 0 sense.
While I agree that a lot of C-Students have decided that they are much better than the pros who actually played at the championships, it bears considering that Viper could have won the game by checking for Explosive first, then dropping the Stealth minion afterward.
Altogether, it was an incredibly difficult series of games to navigate - I suspect a lot of folks who think they've found a "misplay" have simply identified a line of play which was better in hindsight, but not actually a mistake. I'd suggest that playing the Stealth dude prior to checking for Explosive counts as a mistake, however - Hunterace's only "out" would have been a Taunt, and he only had one left in his deck. If Viper wanted to play around Misdirection, he was simply better off playing his own Taunt, and hoping his active WW Imp didn't get targeted by his Squire. The line of play he chose was "all in" on the Secret being Misdirection, and he lost his own "out" when it wasn't.
I missed the final, so i thought i'd watch a bit after reading this.
Game 1, turn 3 there's already a basic misplay, Hunterace attacked with his 2/5 into a 2/2 and his 2/1 into a 1/1 (the reverse would have left him with a 2/4 instead of 2/3).
Edit: Watched the rest of the match, Viper's play on turn 7 is the kind of throw you do on your first week of playing the game.
Opponent is at 1, you have a stealth 1/1 in hand, play it before attacking into a hunter trap...
I guess anxiety is a key factor in major events.
The fact that Hunterace chose to play the Burglar in that boardstate is a strong indicator that he has not drawn a taunt. Given that information, Viper does not need to go all in.
If i had to guess, I'd say the pressure lead Viper to overthink the situation and decide Hunterace had bluffed.
Cute, rather than admitting your mistake you decide to edit your posts and pretend nothing ever happened, huh?
So much for that attitude of yours...