Stancifka's Mill Rogue Postnerf
- Last updated Sep 21, 2017 (Evergreen Nerfs)
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Wild
- 13 Minions
- 14 Spells
- 2 Weapons
- Deck Type: Ranked Deck
- Deck Archetype: Mill Rogue
- Crafting Cost: 5160
- Dust Needed: Loading Collection
- Created: 9/21/2017 (Evergreen Nerfs)
- StanCifka
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Hello everyone! Balance changes are live, so it’s time to explore the new metagame now that the total dominance of Hex Shaman Druid is over. This deck is also accidentaly playing just 1 legendary card and even that one can be cut from the deck, so basically anyone can give this one a try!
Your opponent tries to draw a card. But wait, there is nothing left! So he takes one damage instead. And then two, and after that million, so he dies. You don’t even need to beat all his 30 cards in the game, as you did your best to burn as many of them (and you can burn a lot) as you can because of hand size. Furthermore, decks nowadays are often built around one or two cards that are essential for them to even have a chance of winning, so burning them can mean an instant victory.
Pirate Warrior is a horrendous matchup, but after the nerf of Fiery War Axe, this deck might easily surface and become tier1 in no time. Futhermore, Kazakus Priest is an insane matchup, as they don't have pressure plus you can burn their win conditions for instant win, which is another huge plus for this deck.
You will need to do some math with this deck, but the main thing is to know to how big fatigue you will get your opponent in one turn and if it's good enough. For example, if your opponent has zero cards in deck and you will make him draw 4 extra cards + his draw which equals to highest fatique 5, then he will overall take 15 (5+4+3+2+1) damage. Here is just a small cheatsheet so you don't have to keep counting over and over on those hard turns where you need to focus on everything else:
Fatigue 3 - Total 6 damage
Fatigue 5 - Total 15 damage
Fatigue 7 - Total 28 damage
So this means that with Valeera the Hollow active you can play Shadowblade and Coldlight Oracle + copied Oracle + Shadowstepped Oracle for a full OTK 31 damage Kill if you opponent drew his last card in his turn and you are able to attack his face with the weapon. Don't forget that thanks to your weapon you won't take any damage in case you would be about to fatigue as well.
Coldlight Oracle is a total cornerstone of this deck, and the main thing you want. If you are playing against control, this is the only card you want, and I would advise mulliganing literally everything else in case you don't have the Oracle yet.
When you play against aggro, you can keep a much wider range of cards, especially Backstab and Doomsayer are great, but Eviscerate and Tar Creeper are also good at keeping you alive, so I wouldn’t mulligan these in order to search for Oracle. However, Coldlight Oracle is still the best card here.
As mentioned above, your main engine is Coldlight Oracle, which is supported by Shadowstep and Youthful Brewmaster, even with an extra Shadowcaster thrown in the mix if you would like try one. Vanish is also great at bouncing the Oracle, so altogether it is not unusual to play 6-8 Oracles in one game of Hearthstone. If you get to fatigue at the same time as the opposing hero, then Shadowblade + 2 Oracles is a great combo, as you take no damage from your fatigue draws, and 3 damage from the weapon sometimes serves as a final nail in the coffin.
With Coldlight Oracle being this important it is very painfull to get it killed by your opponent, which means you need to protect them as much as you can. Good rule of thumb is that if you can't immediately bounce your Oracle, don't play it yet.
So now that we established that we are ideally drawing a ton of cards each turn, we need some cheap stuff to play, because hand size quickly becomes to be a real problem. Preparation and Counterefeit Coin are excellent at this, as getting your tempo back in exchange for card disadvantage is exactly what you are looking for. Backstab, Eviscerate, Doomsayer are here to efficently keep you alive while you are both drawing cards like crazy.
Sap and Vanish are also great at defending your life total, but they are able to do even more than that in this deck. Your opponent often holds a lot of expensive cards in his hand that are hard for him to get rid of, so the bounce spells either fill his grip up or straight up kill his minions.
As you will quickly see, Vanish is an incredibly strong card, but it is very important to get a full value from it. Don't play at the first opportunity where it looks OKish, but wait a bit longer to make it an insane blowout.
Saronite Chain Gang is a card I originally didn't have in the deck, but once I discovered it I knew it is staying in. This guy (or maybe I should say guys) is just solid overall, and does a suprisingly good job with stabilizing the game when you start losing the board. Add in a fact that it works well with all the bounce in deck and you have a very nice card.
Valeera the Hollow provides a ton of value in this deck, but it's main target is just producing more Coldlight Oracle. I know, what a surprise. However, it has very important synergy with Vanish, which might not be most obvious at the first sight. Usual problem with Valeera is that you develop it and it does nothing that turn other than gaining you some lifes, which allows your opponent to fully expand his board presence, since he does not need to deal with any new threats. This is perfectly solved by the followup Vanish, which can also ideally bounce extra Coldlight Oracle you play before that and that will make sure your opponent's hand size is overflowing.
And if everything else doesn’t work out, try to play 6 Vilespine Slayer and see if your opponent has any gas left afterwards.
Earthen Ring Farseer is one of the movable slots, but I would always play at least one in this deck, because then you can bounce him a lot of times and keep your health higher if necessary.
Skulking Geist could also be considered, since removing any card from your opponent is quite relevant - they get to fatigue sooner, although the fact you remove Jade Idol is still the main reason to run him and I would play him only if you are still running to lot of Jade Idol.
Valeera the Hollow is the only legendary in this deck, but she is very hard to replace, so if you are able to craft her you better do so. However, if I let my imagination run wild and there is no dust left at all, then I guess I could include another support card instead, like second Earthen Ring Farseer.
And that's it for today, good luck milling everyone guys! Make sure to watch the video, we go with in-depth game analysis there, which should answer a lot of questions you might have! I put a lot of effort into these videos, so if you like it just hit the Youtube subscribe button to let me know I should keep making these for you to enjoy.
Cheers
StanCifka
Do you think it's worth crafting a Shadowcaster? I'm dying before I get my oracles bouncing (i don't mind using dust if it's worth it)
Nah, I like the list as it is ;)
Stan, I love this deck! I don't have the Vilespine Slayers and I'm short one Doomsayer (I'll craft when I get the dust for them), so I added a second Farseer plus a Skulking Geist and a Gadgetzan Ferryman (for another bouncer). Nothing more satisfying than beating a Priest in this meta. I beat a Barnes Priest, who conceded after burning Barnes and the Lich King in successive turns. Beat a MachineGun Priest by burning Raza and then through fatigue (even with a horrible misplay by me on turn 9).
What are your thoughts on adding a Ferryman (or two) to get a little more bounce?
Was actually thinking about Ferryman for a while, so you can definitely try him ;) You really need Vilespine Slayers though, definitely recommend crafting at least one :)
Yeah. They're really good. And probably will be good in a lot of Rogue decks as the meta shifts over time. I'm up to 390 dust, so I'll have one Vilespine tonight. I found the Ferryman useful in the handful of games I've played so far, but with a somewhat incomplete deck (no Vilespine), I'm hesitant to say if Ferryman's good just yet. Anyway, thanks for these decks and guides and videos. They're great.
I WAS RIGHT!!!
YES!
Why counterfeit coin is in this deck? For vilespines only? How about some draw engine for coldlights? Sometimes u don't draw them for too long
I swapped out a Shadowblade for an Edwin VanCleef, and its been working great.
Tried the deck and must say i am disappointed. The main issue of this deck is, ironically, draw mechanic :/ You just need to have all possible combo card answers at the start of the game and keep them further on, in order to win. Many times you struggle because of the lack of coldlights in your hand, other time, you don't have vanish when you need it, sometimes the bouncing effect is key to success. To actually win 100% your starting hand in best-case scenario needs to be like: coldlight, vanish, prep, backstab, taunt, shadowstep and valeera until you reach turn 9. Up to turn 9 if you don't draw valeera, and most importantly, second vanish, it is just game over in most cases. Hunters push you to the brink of death, priests crush you with the power of lategame, handlocks outplay you on curve so you can't do much about it. So basically to win big time against meta decks, they HAVE TO draw poorly, and you HAVE TO have a god hand. Nontheless, it is something "new", so props for that.
Might be a valid point, you should pull this deck out when there is a lot of controls around you, which is probably not happening on lower ranks.
I like the deck. Biggest issue I currently face is that I run myself out of cards as well since Gang Up issn't available.
Love the deck, I always enjoyed playing Mill in MTG, but the problem with it here is just the sheer amount of Mages I am facing since the Patch.
30 Games between R10 and R7 and I faced a total of 12 Mages. It's just frustrating to play against Burn or Secret Mage because most of the time I'm dead at around Turn 6/7. Only Exodia is fun to play against because you can ruin their Game with just 1 Coldlight Oracle.
Still I love your work Stan, keep it up man.
Just being [card]Coldlight Oracle[/card] dependent makes difficult to win. I got no [card]Coldlight Oracle[/card] for 14 turn :/
You could consider The Curator in place of Earthen Ring Farseer, this could be too slow though?
The Curator helps. But maybe is too clunky just for draw 1 card
I don't like playing zero Earthen Ring Farseer, but you can definitely try Shadowcaster in the deck ;)
Personally I really don't enjoy this type of deck. It feels like I lose to a game mechanic rather than a better player and conversely that any win is due to bad draw on the mill side.
Still. I want to be a constructive part of the community so I'm willing to learn. What are the counters to this deck? Seems to me on first thought that low cost aggro decks might kill it off? Anything else? Dirty Rat tech? Nerubian Unraveller?
Thank you Stan, really cool guide!
Thanks man!