[Legend 71% win]Guldan the teddy killer
- Last updated Sep 4, 2017 (Frozen Throne)
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Wild
- 18 Minions
- 11 Spells
- Deck Type: Ranked Deck
- Deck Archetype: Control Warlock
- Crafting Cost: 11280
- Dust Needed: Loading Collection
- Created: 8/18/2017 (Frozen Throne)
- jainaishot
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Total Deck Rating
765
Hi mates, this is the second deck i post this week and it's the most effective deck i ever created.After reaching rank 3 with handlock(http://www.hearthpwn.com/decks/901242-badass-guldan-rank-18-to-rank-3-in-8-hours) i tried to make rage warrior and jade valeera work and i failed hard.After dropping to rank 5 and doing a million defeats there,i opened this little f*cker---->Prince Valanar.So i tried to make a deck with it because why not?After doing 9 wins in row i was so suprised that i even installed a deck tracker to see how the hell this troll deck worked.
Proof of legend
Proof of winratio.The winratio is actually post the 9 wins at ranks 3-legend.So the actual winrate is even higher but since this is what was recorded we keep this.
Edit i played moar games with the deck so moooar stats.And MOAAR is better right?RIGHT?
Guide
JADE TEDDIES (very favoured):Mulligan Mortal Coil,Doomsayer,Skulking Geist.You feast on this match up.You must deny them the tempo,control the board,setting it as best as possible for Defile and play Skulking Geist asap.You not only destroy them but you do it slowly and painfully.The game will go to fatigue and you will win.
Other control teddies(very favoured): Same as jade teddies.As long as you don't draw like *** and you are not getting highrolled like hell(looking at you Anduin),you can't not be outvalued.Your main win condition is dk hero power and secondly the Medivh, the Guardian.Against control deck you should play the dk as long as you have a big hand that contains the cards you need like Medivh, the Guardian and big spells even if only 1 or 2 demons have died.Against control having 1or 2 demons is as relevant as having 4 or more.If they have a board clear,the game continues if not you win.So become a dk and bite dat booty! :P
Aggro Teddies(favoured):MulliganMortal Coil,Doomsayer,Defile and the one drops.If you draw half decently,it's such an easy win.They can't do anything about it.You have removals,aoes and healing.If you get terrible openers then it's gg(like any control deck).This deck performed soo much better than handlock against aggresive decks.
Examples:
Nice damage you have done to me Garrosh!Come an giv yar onkel a kiss!
Also for all of you aggro druid players out there:
Exodia mage Teddies(Concede)Slow control deck vs this,gg.Mulligan is irrelevant.
Card replacements
Prince Valanar:If you guys don't have Prince Valanar you can replace him with Spellbreaker orHellfire if you face alot of fload decks or The Lich King if you need another bomb.I recommend the Spellbreaker myself.
Medivh, the Guardian :Irreplacable.Since handlock is destroyed on legend ranks(see the reason below),i think this is the only way to play a powerful controllock.
The Black Knight: Everyone but pirates plays huge taunts now from aggro druid and murloc pally to big priest so it will always give you huge value but if you don't have him then replace him with the The Lich King.
Bloodmage Thalnos: Replace it with a second Tainted Zealot.Since we cut Hellfire we need to make the Defile as strong as possible.Moreover we have many cheap spells that synergize with spelldamage.
Q/A
Why should i play this over handlock?
I love handlock,it is my favourite deck of all times and the deck i reached rank 3 this month as well but it got hard countered by the meta.All Jade druids in high/ legend ranks have put bgh and spellbrearkers to counter handlock,big priests and the buffed minions of murloc pally.So the moment your giant at turn 4 is bghed,you can concede because you lost the board,lost the initiative and you can't shambler on turn 5.Moreover all the other decks have become more aggresive to counter jades so they counter you as well.Long story short you are countered by everyone who knows what he is doing.
I can't understand how this deck is winning,what are your win conditions with it?
You survive easily the aggro decks and you outvalue the control ones.The main win condition of the deck then it's the dk's hero power and the secondary is Medivh, the Guardian .Removing the threat they used their entire turn for and spawning a 6 drop or removing all their board and spawning a 8 drop does wonders.
Will you play more games with the deck?Will you add more stats?
I don't know,i reached 800 legend with it but forgot to screenshot opsy :P.For now i have lost incentive to play and to push further so i switched to wild.If i play standard ranked again you can bet yar ass that i will upload moaaar stats no matter the results! :P
Edit 4/9/2017
Yo mates,i decided to make a little update to the deck.First let me inform you that the deck still rocks because i reached rank 5 with 71% win.The meta shifted a bit from jade druid to aggro druid and priest which is even better for us.First things first the proof of win ratio.
Of course this winratio includes the games from the previous season.Basically these are all the games i have played with the deck without the first 9 wins.
Extra tips
Vs jade druid :I was asked to spectate some matches from some guys that had problem against druid.What i realised is that people didn't use their removals efficiently.They either tapped too much and were outtempoed or they used too many removals.While there isn't a fail proof strategy in knowing how to use them,I suggest this:Calculate the damage the druid can do in 2 turns.Can he kill you in two turns?
Yes?->Use removals.
No?->Play for tempo.
The deck is much harder to pilot than i first realised.
Vs Aggro druid: You lose this match only if you draw like sh*t or they innervate a fledgling on turn 1 and you have no doomsayer.If you still have problems against those remove the prince and black knight for two hellfires.
Raza priest:Big priest was completely replaced by the new velen pew pew priest.In this match up you have to go dk asap.Even if no demons died you need to pressure fast.If you face a lot of them i suggest swapping the prince and the black kight for two mountain giants.You need ONLY the mountain giants.Drakes and shamblers won't do sh*t.Basically you give them less time to pew pew you.I did'nt play against that many and did okeyish against those i faced so i didn't change anything.However if you play a lot against raza priests do the change.
This is it go out there and show the teddies true infernal powaaaaa >:D
I run a modified version of this deck and I'm currently at rank 6, but I just want to say that this deck inspired me to craft a second Twisting Nether and it's been working great :P The warlock DK has quickly become my favourite of the set.
if you switch to wild give a spin to the deck on my signature and tell me how it goes, yes it's aggro and whatever but it's still a fun Spin in Demonlock, and it's a warlock prince deck, your favorite class with a Prince!...who would've thought?, Princes aren't as bad as people originally thought :D.
deck is trash. mostly because warlock is trash. countered hard by mage and priest. 50/50 against aggro and druid. basically a tier 4 deck.
Yeap that's why i reached high legend with nearly 70%win using it.That's why most of the commenters had huge success aswell.If you trully did try the deck,which i highly doubt, and didn't crush aggro,druids and most of the priests then you have the problem.Not the deck.Go play pirates or something.
played the deck now for over 200 ranked games. I've only made the following changes:
1. Ysera instead of black knight
2. gnomeferatus instead of mortal coils
3. cut one voidwalker for 1 extra drain soul.
warlock is garbage unfortunately. Yes i can beat jade and tokenaggro druid with deck.. but its 50/50 at best. i get stomped by mage (all forms - elemental frost lich and exodia) and absolutely shit stomped by priest using tommy gun raza hero power or using big greed resurrect priest (usually with tommy gun variant).
I only play warlock..and unfortunately - it just sucks right now. your comments on handlock are correct - it was quickly countered in meta. but this version unfortunately doesn't have enough pressure to beat anything early to mid game.. and late game everything else is just better.
hell i just got beat by a control hunter that used two nzoth's on back to back turns..
My god those changes are horrible...Putting those cards doesn't only make your deck so much worse,but most importantly shows that you don't have clear understanting how the deck should be played.Swapping mortal coil that removes 1 health minions,can help you set up defile and dig in to your deck for a mere 2/3?Removing deathkight for one of the slowest card in card in game?Sry man the more you speak,the more evident you make that you can't play the deck properly.I recommend trying something else.
no death knight was cut. black knight was - because its a niche card to remove taunt and quite frankly that's not a huge problem for the issues i noted with mage and priest.
second - you're wonderful mortal coils are negated by your own inclusion of skulking gheist. you forget it removes your own cards dumbass? Look at the title of your deck. it's a control deck. when i beat jade druids/ pally/ and priests - it goes to fatigue... everytime. so yes - stripping some cards from their deck with a gnome is a bit more superior than thinning my own deck with mortal coils that get removed by my own skulking gheist.
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Hey bro!
What are your thoughts of adding The Lich King to the deck? Maybe farseer can be swapped out for him?
Lich king is a solid card in every deck that reaches turn 8.You can swap him with the black knight if you really want to play him.As for farseer,i am not certain.Removing early minions and heals is not something i recommend unless you face only jade and rarely aggro deck.
Thanks for sharing such a unique and powerful deck Jainaishot! Could I please ask how you approach pirate warrior - do you risk life tapping at all or rely purely on mulligan and draws? Tapping just feels wrong but at the same time getting the right cards seem so important in the match up.
You are welcome mate.As for your question it really depends on your hand and on what the pirate warrior plays.Normally though you fend off aggression the first 3 turns and start tapping by the forth.This match up where the prince shines.You play him on empty enemy board and the pw cries.
How to win againts Quest Mages :(
By playing something else :P.You can't counter every deck in the meta.This destroys jades,normal control and aggro but quest mages are its hard counter.And before adding garbage to your deck like eater of secrets and dirty rats,let me tell you that the 5% win ratio that those will give you in the exodia mage match isn't worth the 15+% you will lose to the other matches.
Awesome deck with a variety of answers, well done! 7-0 so far and I've played evolve shaman, token druid, handbuff and murloc pally, and jade druid.
what is the best replacement for the black knight? Bgh, or lich king? May be bane of doom?
what if you dont have any twisting nether?any replacements?i know there is value from medivh but i cant craft epics this period.no dust left
Unfortunately you can't play the deck :/.The nethers aren't there just for medivh,along with the geist are the reason why we dominate jade druids so hard.Without them we can't clear the board no matter how huge it gets and laugh our asses off when they fatigue themselves.So they are irreplacable,sorry :'(
OK thanks for the reply.is zoolock viable (without prince keleseth)?
You are welcome.In my opinion zoolock is better without the prince.There are so many good two drops that zoo wants and to not include for the sake of one card that may never be drawn,is super bad.
Do you think this deck is viable with only one Twisting Nether?