Stealth Secret [62%] + Guide
- Last updated Apr 14, 2020 (Outland DH Nerfs)
- Edit
- |
Wild
- 20 Minions
- 10 Spells
- Deck Type: Ranked Deck
- Deck Archetype: Stealth Rogue
- Crafting Cost: 8920
- Dust Needed: Loading Collection
- Created: 4/9/2020 (Outland Release)
- GamerPanda
- Registered User
-
- 9
- 44
- 39
-
Battle Tag:
GamerPanda#11334
-
Region:
US
-
Total Deck Rating
761
Thanks to Kadakk for creating a video showcasing this version of the deck! (This particular version is -1 EVIL Miscreant, +1 Shadowstep.
GUIDE
I've been having some success vs. the dreaded Demon Hunter and other classes with this mix of Stealth & Secrets- both big Ashes of Outlands packages. It's FUN to play and feels pretty strong, burst damage from stealth + Eviscerate and/or Ashtongue Slayer. Current winrate is 62%! Playing at Legend.
I love this deck because Tempo Rogue is my favorite archetype and now with Leeroy Jenkins gone, people are less afraid of burst damage (even though Reckless Rocketeer isn't far off), but we've still got it with Ashtongue Slayer and Eviscerate. I decided to make a deck guide even though I didn't hit 10 upvotes since Kadakk was kind enough to make a video plus quarantine so...
CARD CHOICES
-----------------Stealth Package
Stealth synergy is built around activating Greyheart Sage (Arcane Intellect + a 3/3!) for draw and using Ashtongue Slayer ideally for burst damage when possible. Shadowstep enables re-stealthing of minions (say you drew Greyheart but have an un-stealthed minion) but is better utilized to get an essential 4-mana Sprint (like the old Prep-Sprint), or +6 attack from a Slayer or to get double battlecry from a removal minion, or to protect Shadowjeweler Hanar for a secret-binging next turn.
I like having SI:7 Agent and Scorpid around to deal extra 2 damage where it's needed, even if that place is the face. The goal of using stealth is to direct that damage to the enemy hero as much as possible, but you trade when you need to. Skyvateer is also an important part of the (great) draw engine we have going on in addition to Dirty Tricks and the Sage. If you feel like cards are flowing, you're probably doing something right, and it's not so dramatic you're ever worried about hand size.
Akama Prime is a little pricey to play and has been a bit lackluster. It's more of a bonus stealth minion but can come in clutch against certain classes.
Ideal opening usually consists of Turn 1 Spymistress, Turn 2 Skyvateer or Ashtongue (aggressive), Turn 3 Greyheart Sage. The secrets will come together later in most cases so you can get greater value from Hanar than playing him on 2, though this sometimes works.
-----------------Secrets Package
We have the obvious 3 secrets, 5 total. I chose to remove 1 Bamboozle because although it's the funniest, I have found it to be weak as opponents play around it once they know and hit you in the face instead. You only need 1 secret to begin the Hanar train, and you also don't really want it to be Bamboozle or there goes your Hanar if you only play 1 secret with him to start.
The rest serve as good draw and removal that synergize with my favorite card of the set, Blackjack Stunner. What an absolute unit, eat your heart out Sap. Your opponent will want to concede when you essential use a 1-mana directed Freezing Trap on their 9 and 10 cost minions to banish them to the unplayable realm and reduce their hand size. Great against deathrattles and giant taunts, and a satisfying "Don't let the door hit you." battlecry and "Good riddance!" attack. Note that, if you ever really need it for lethal, Stunner can return one of your own minions to your hand at +2 cost.
Just playing Dirty Tricks on 2 isn't bad, it's the best secret, and you should just use it when you need draw. Few opponents can avoid casting a spell. Ambush and Dirty Tricks are the better Hanar activators, after that you can go crazy with secrets in the mid-late game. He will always offer you 3- 1 Paladin, 1 Mage, 1 Hunter secret, then, if you picked a Hunter secret, the Hunter secret is replaced with another Rogue secret on the next discover. Keep in mind you can only have 5 secrets up at a time and Shadowstepping him will free up mana for a certain secrets turn. I can't tell you what secrets to pick, it'll be based on your needs at the time but always Eye for an Eye meme if you can.
-----------------Flex Choices
In addition to Blackjack Stunner, Maiev and Flik are soft and hard removals, respectively, and both are good Shadowstep targets if needed. That's up to 5 removals, more if Flik kills copies.
EVIL Miscreant and SI:7 Agent are just good cards. Miscreant can fill up a low hand with something to do and combo activators without worrying about holding onto lackeys for Heistbaron Togwaggle since we aren't a Galakrond deck (aren't you tired of Galakrond?) Backstab is a great activator on 3 for these cards to take the board (SI:7) or provide some lackey value when you haven't a better stealth play.
Eviscerate is best used as a finisher, alonside Ashtongue Slayer if needed. It can be used for minion removal in emergency situations but better to direct that damage at the face since the deck isn't meant to last into the late game. It's tempting to use Cold Blood but Eviscerate is more versatile overall and ignores taunt. Ashtongue is a fine mini-cold blood without the combo condition.
MULLIGAN
General: Spymistress, Greyheart Sage (with Spymistress or Skyvateer or Akama on The Coin or if you're feeling lucky), EVIL Miscreant and SI:7 Agent are good keeps on Coin or with Backstab, Skyvateer and Akama are almost always good keeps.
Vs. Aggro: Backstab, SI:7 Agent, Eviscerate (not ideal to use) is really all we have. Burrowing Scorpid helps but is too slow to keep. You can aim to retake mid-game. Wicked Knife as needed.
Vs. Control: Ashtongue Slayer, especially with Spymistress, generally trying to get damage rolling as soon as possible without over-committing. Aim to slap the face early game a bit, lose your board, retake enough to finish with burst and effective removals.
SUBSTITUTIONS
Skyvateer > Patient Assassin or Worgen Infiltrator or Loot Hoarder, but none of them are as good.
Burrowing Scorpid > Escaped Manasaber. I'd also consider -1 Scorpid +1 Shadowstep.
There's another very similar version that's popular right now (front page) that uses Secretkeepers, Worgen Infiltrators, and an extra Bamboozle over SI:7 Agent, Burrowing Scorpid, and Shadowstep in mine. I feel that Shadowstep is essential, and the extra pings help control the board in the early-mid game, but will admit I haven't tried that version myself.
Please try it out and let me know how it's doing for you- constructive feedback is wanted!
I'd really appreciate a +1 if you like it, I'll provide match-up details and recent replays at +15. Hopefully a cruel fate doesn't await this deck in the ashes...expansion. :) Thanks!
Hi! A great deck, thank you, so fun to play. Hanar may be my new favourite card! I never played rogue much but this deck convinced me to try it. I, however, prefer wild, it's more fun for me, also I am at legend there so I was wondering if you had some recommendations what to change for wild, maybe if there are some great cards that would work for this deck's playstyle.
Hey there, thanks I'm glad you're enjoying it :) Hanar is really strong!
I don't play wild, but the first deck I ever made was a stealth rogue deck (see my decklists) and I really liked Shadow Sensei and Shaku, the Collector. Maybe include Vilespine Slayers for removal. Lotus Assassin is a good inclusion if you want to go more in on stealth.
Again, I don't play wild, and maybe there are better choices I don't know of, but those are some that I might include. It kinda makes me want to theorycraft a stealth deck for wild..... if I do it, I will share it here :)
I would love to see such deck!
Thanks for the recommendations, I will be trying to put together some deck. I just made some type of highlander which is the only archetype I can put together on my own haha, but it gets crushed by time warp mages, too slow for them, the same for priests with their endless ressurects. I just had 6-6 with it. Maybe I will have more luck with these stealth cards.
Great guide, mate! Upvoted no doubt. Thinking of shadowstep in my deck. Thank you for your work and time!
Thanks!! We helped each other. I ganked Miscreant from you, you switched to Burrowing :) I've been hitting some rough patches playing today on ladder tbh maybe it needs more threats like Edwin and Togwaggle? I'm not sure... I think Reinan23 was right on your guide about it not really making it to 'legit' meta unless it's galakrond, but it's fun and can win and for now, that's enough.
great deck, having a lot of fun with it
Great! It's fun, but has a hard time against some classes and top tier decks. I guess I'll be adding a class guide since I'm at 15 + now :)
Thanks dude!!! Finally viable and FUN tempo rogue. I was sick of slow Galakrond. Personally, I'm loving good old Edwin in this(took out 1 SI). Would love to have second Shadowstep in there... maybe Flik is kind of slow, will test that.
Do you play Blackjack Stunner on turn 1 for tempo sometimes(Like when you miss a good early play)? Or is it dead card until I find a secret?
yw! edwin is great, maybe i can try removing the si in favor of 2nd step and edwin. the other more popular version doesnt have si, they use secretkeepers instead and a 2nd bamboozle over the 1 step i have
Oh sorry I forgot to answer the other Q... no I don't really play BJS without a secret up. im too greedy lol
well, i have dust for maiev but i rly dont want to craft it and frustrate myself if it didnt works, do u think the deck loses much potential without him?
Maiev is a really strong tempo tool to get through taunts and other problematic minions, basically an 'ignore this minion and go face' ability that can win games. A similar effect can be achieved with Flik and Blackjack Stunner, but you're basically losing a big removal tool. According to HSReplay, Maiev is one of the weaker cards in the deck, so I think you would be OK without her.
Maybe try a 2nd Shadowstep so that you can use Flik or Stunner twice to help replace her effect. Im sure it will come in handy on other cards as well. When you pull the 2nd Shadowstep, ask yourself, "Do I wish this was Maiev?"- that's kind of how I look at tweaking decklists by 1-2 cards at a time.
Okay, thx, i rly love rogue, but i Just cant fit on this deck someway xD, playing this, big druid and spell only mage, this rogue is my worst winrate sadly :(
Yeah HSReplay doesn't have it as high of a winrate as those other decks. Warrior, Warlock, and Mage are my lowest matchups from all my games with this, but I still have above 60% WR total even now. If you want to add me GamerPanda#11334 you can spectate or I can spectate, etc. to help out
Hi, can i add you as well? i really want to try rogue decks in pursue of that 1000 ranked wins seeing you pilot the deck would help.
of course!!
I feel you
Hey guys,
I tried out this deck and made a showcase of it! If you are interested in a gameplay video with commentary in legend ranks you can check it out bellow. In the video bellow you can see a game against galakrond warlock and since it is more like a controlish archetype I try to gain tempo as much as I possibly can and thanks to that I managed to get that game.
I hope you can enjoy it :)
GGs! Thanks again. I'm sure this will help others who try my version.
It's up!
Thanks man <3