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With all the big changes let's hope they just drop them all at once in some sort of live stream without all the 'influencer' shite that normally proceeds a new expansion.

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I just copied and pasted it to be honest so I don't really care. Also trying to be 'clever' doesn't hide the fact that you've still not addressed how 100% wrong all your points and arguments are in this thread. Infact I commend you though for styling it out, regardless of how much deeper you've dug your own hole with your bullshit.

How is pointing out factual information "trying to be clever"? 
Surely that's just "being clever"...?
All your blustering about me supposedly not addressing arguments (another fallacy - I obviously did, if you actually read the thread) serves only to try and hide the fact you were ironically the one "trying to be clever" with a quote that you didn't even bother to check was real. And then when you get called out on it for "your bullshit" - your classy word, not mine - you lose your temper and start slinging the insults.
That's really not a good look, friend.

I didn't say you didn't address the arguments, I said you haven't addressed that you were absolutely 100% wrong in all of them (which you are). Anyway either you've got a massive chip on your shoulder, or as mentioned by other posters intent on just being a troll so I'll say no more on the matter. 

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I believe it's been announced on Twitter that there will in fact (somewhat incredibly) be a dust refund for Ysera?
Blizzard's inconsistency when it comes to handing out dust for some changes and not others with no semblance of continuity is remarkable, but hey... Blizzard. :-)

 I don't see any inconsistency. They nerfed the cards generated by Ysera; the closest prior nerf that was similar that didn't give a refund is Thermaplugg with the leper gnome nerf, which was a long time ago now, and paradigms have changed. If the Wondrous wand reduced the cards to 1 mana, not 0, then I'd expect a Togwaggle refund, too.

To clarify - this is not for Ysera rotating. The refund is because the dream cards are getting changed, and most of those changes are nerfs.

Yes, I am aware of the reason for the refund.
The inconsistency is in the fact that some cards getting pseudo-nerfed get refunded, whereas others don't. And then there's art changes that have long been debated as nerfs to cards visually which also don't get refunded. 
So like I say, inconsistency = Blizzard. :-)

I wonder if Deathwing's nerf gets a refund too, actually. 
Original Deathwing was a core component of Maca'thun Warlock. By nerfing Deathwing, it also has a detrimental effect on Meca'thun meaning the card is not as strong. 
Since this is exactly the same effect as nerfing the Dream cards for Ysera (when ysera wasn't directly nerfed herself), we should expect a full refund for Meca'thun, otherwise inconsistency once again. 
I think we know whether that's going to happen or not. :-)

 Deathwing being used in mecha’thun warlock? Only if you want to lose? I believe you are recalling cataclysm. Original deathwing is also going to be playable in wild and unchanged. Ysera will be playable in wild but NERFED. That’s why there’s a refund. Also, if you expect to be refunded an entire deck because of a nerfed card, you’ve lost your mind, and they’ve never done anything like that, so that’s not inconsistent at all. You really find a way to be condescending about everything as well.

 I don't, that was the whole point I was making. That expecting refunds for cards which are effected by changes to other cards (such as Ysera, for example) is greedy and entitled and you'd have to be out of your mind to expect it. Thank you for the agreement. 

I'm not sure you know what "condescending" means, though, lol. But I'm sure in your mind that made sense.

To be honest your initial assessment comparing a 'Deathwing nerf' (which isn't actually happening) to the Ysera nerf was wrong in the first place, something which you've conveniently chose to ignore, so I'd maybe tone it down a little bit.

P.S Anyone who thinks a card is nerfed because they changed the picture to show less demon tits is out of their mind.

I found a bug where I don't automatically get my Golden Nomi with the discover Djinn on turn 7. 

Roping and BMing, although annoying, isn't against the rules though. I don't know if you're familiar with the concept of 'sledging' in cricket but it is where the opponents insult the other teams player to try and gain an advantage, and although very 'unsportsmanlike' (and pretty close to the bone at times) it is part of the tactics of the game to gain a psychological advantage. Cricketer's aren't allowed to tell the umpire that they don't want to play with the other players anymore because they hurt their feelings. There isn't a single sport or pastime where 'sledging' in some form doesn't exist. If some HS players are so delicate that they get upset by having to wait up to 2 minutes or being told hello (which you can even do something about at the start of every game) then I fear for them in real life.

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All classes lost 'iconic'cards. Hunter players are going to be crying they lost animal companion, eaglehorn bow and kill command. Hopefully it's all for the good of the game though rather than keeping individual class players happy. Not sure how rogue kept both step and backstab though...

Rogue kept them both because it lost eviscerate and sap, 2 of its best ways to push face

 Sap is massive. It's a whole new world anyway so who's to say what's going to be strong, especially with lackeys rotating out too.

All classes lost 'iconic'cards. Hunter players are going to be crying they lost animal companion, eaglehorn bow and kill command. Hopefully it's all for the good of the game though rather than keeping individual class players happy. Not sure how rogue kept both step and backstab though...

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I've not decided yet. Usually I would buy the bigger bundle, but unless you're into cosmetics and golden cards, the smaller bundle of 60 packs and two legendaries for 50 USD seems like a better deal. Due to the reward track, I have way more gold than I'm used too, so I would be fine with fewer packs. Then again, you don't get the Battlegrounds perks with the smaller bundle, so I would have to spend additional gold on those... It's also the first expansion of the year and thus the one that will stay in standard for the longest time, and I do like the hero portrait, so I might end up buying the bigger bundle afterall. Decisions, decisions. I will NOT be buying both, that's too expensive for me.

Tl;dr: The smaller bundle is probably the better deal, but I might buy the bigger bundle anyway because of Battleground perks and nice hero portrait. 

 I think the same, but I do like to play a few games of BGs, and after not buying it for the first couple of months last expansion having the pass makes such a difference to the BGs experience.

So you're salty they offered an incentive for returning and new players and you got nothing for being loyal? Welcome to the real world. My broadband provider offers new and returning customers much better deals than I've got. My TV provider does the same, and my gas, and my electricity provider. If you don't like it go and play Runeterra or Gwent until blizz offer deals to try and get your custom back, because you are a customer to them and they don't care about your dust.

Alliance player's are just salty AF.

Early access. The damn early access to everything. 

In WoW, they let people get early access to raids/patch content via the PTR.

In hearthstone, it’s the theoryocrafting streams/play testing. 

This rant was sparked by Hearthpwn’s most recent entry of “United in storm wind crazy combos.” 

All the YouTube videos already with people playing several decks from the new expansion. 

Just let everyone enjoy the free fall together out the gate. Let people all play at the same time and enjoy theoryocrafting decks together. 

I have been very vocal about it being 100% acceptable to netdeck the best decks, especially when climbing the rated ladder. But what’s beyond unfun is when people already have deck codes/ideas at the ready the SECOND the expansion drops. 

Theoryocrafting based on information (card reveals) is acceptable, as it cannot be directly playtested. But Jesus, stop letting players, generally above average players, get a run at the cards before anyone else can. 

It was to be expected but still kind of bad on their part. I am not going to judge anyone there because we still need to wait for legal finale of the case but it feels bad that players are being kept in the dark on such trivial things like those reveals. One simple comment would do everything here.

But it seems that at least part of us will have what we always wanted since they started to organize pre-release events - no streamers premade decks 5 minutes into expansion. We will be able to enjoy first 30 minutes of the game like back when GvG was released and so :D

Get a grip. You're still getting your precious card reveals. A few days isn't going to make any difference.

Ok, this is my last comment in this thread and i wash my hands from this incel toxicity.

I get it, we all have lives and responsibilities, i really get it. I am engineer myself and i use games and forums to vent of my stress from my really demanding work. So i completely understand someone who would either completely skip this nuanced and difficult issue or simply wait for the trial before taking a stance. They are both completely understandable behaviors’.

But bitching about "DoPaMinE DoSes" and trying to make the issue irrelevant "ShIT hApPeNs" ? You are either entitled little pricks who put their small rush before people's real pain and problems or misogynistic incels who think harassment is no big deal and use logical fallacies to support their stupid reasoning. Take your pick. There are comments attacking the victims for speaking out for f*ck sake...

It's just a f**king children's card game. You guys really need to chill out. Missing a few card reveals is not going to kill you.

I think you're wrong and this mechanic is good at worse, absolute genius at best.

Like at this point I even hope they change all the older tech cards to give them the keyword.

The new weapon destruction card for example is just sooooo much better than the others.

Disgusting. Go back to 4chan. Losers.

Stop letting these rl losers post something like this in forums like this.

If Hearthpwn got diarrhea this thread is what it smells like. 

 There's not really any pirate synergy in standard, is there? Might as well just be neutral minions.

Yeah, I’m gonna pile on, this is beyond cringy. Like the older I get, the more I understand the people who think humanity is doomed. Like what in the actual f@$k they are cartoons.