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If there were other games as entertaining as HS I would be playing them. That's not to say I only play Hearthstone but it's one of the few games I can dip back into when I'm bored of something else and still have some fun with. 

Not sure what I would play if it never existed though, I suppose Eternal/MTG Arena/Elder Scrolls or something. The great thing about card games like these is you can get so many hours of entertainment out of them. There are a few others which have this kind of quality like Path of Exile or Warframe but they aren't really something that grabs me as much as games where you can deck build from a large pool of cards.

Warrior removal is actually a little worse now we have lost Blood Razor which really did help stabilize against opponents without having to waste board clears. They did get Omega Devastator for single targets in the late game, but big minions that late haven't really been a problem for Warrior. Also without Blood Razor it is much more difficult to get use of Execute

It's fine really, everyone has their favourite classes and types of decks if the expansion and rotation weakens their class too much then of course they are going to feel annoyed. This is literally the most suitable place for people to post their criticism, and while it may sometimes be exaggurated or overblown it will often have some level of truth to how the deck is in game.

I don't understand why people like the OP are even bothered about other people getting frustrated with certain aspects if the game. If you think the game is fine and people shouldn't complain then just play it and appreciate that you quite lucky to have such a mindset.

Glad for this guide. I am not good at puzzles and quite a lot of these use cards that are never played or have really weird board states (intentionally of course).

It just shows how complicated HS can be if convoluted scenarios occur, like imagine if someone pulled off one of the later puzzles in a tournament game, that would be so impressive compared to how games usually play out.

I still much prefer dungeon runs personally though, but it's also good they aren't afraid to experiment with a new game mode.

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You have to keep in mind that one of, if not THE best Warrior player is calling it a staple in Control Warrior. It's not confirmation bias when you realize that the best Warrior player we have is calling it a staple. If your reading comprehension is as good as your sass, you'll find yourself a seat and sit down.

 He said "I think" and "should be a 1 of" implying he still needs to do more testing with it in Control Warrior. Like I said a few times, it fits much better into Odd Warrior than other archetypes since they have a worse card pool to draw from and can utilize weapons better.

Realistically it does have some good targets - such as Hunter Spellstone, some Zoo or Rogue boards, but a lot of other minions/decks you can weaken the effect of this card by quite a bit with smart positioning. I am not convinced you would really play it in anything other than Odd Warrior - but that's because Odd Warrior gets quite a lot more armor to utilize weapons safely and has a lot fewer options for removal.

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 Spoilers: Card's still trash. It's just catching some people by surprise because, believe it or not, no one's running it because it sucks.

 I would say that's not true, just that barely anyone is playing Warrior atm (for good reason) every Odd Warrior I ran into did run this card. I am still leaning towards trash, but it's a marginal case in Odd Warrior (I'm sure it will get worse with next expansion).

For me it's Power of the Wild the card has always looked so dull and out of place with the rest of the Druid card's colour palettes.

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Its an unkillable 5/5 when used with baleful banker.

Edit: it will always shuffle back in your deck so you cant lose to fatigue

 It might swap a few times, but you can still draw out your deck - you only add 1 card with baleful.

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Barnes on 4 this on 5 RIP WILD 

 Big Priest list is already very tight, so if you cut something from it you will lose out on flexibility. Will be a much more all in strategy, since you don't often get the dream of Barnes on 4.

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I'm well aware of how Hunting Mastiff and Tundra Rhino interactions work, but this is a new spell and Team 5 are very against charge combos (OTK - or close to). I mean I'll be glad if I'm wrong, but it makes absolutely no sense based on many previous nerfs done to charge combos, to put it back in the game.

 If you were aware of the interaction, why would you think this works any differently? Rush has NEVER on ANY card removed a Charge minion's ability to attack the enemy hero, this will obviously not be an exception. You know what team 5 is more firmly against? Having interactions between some of the most common keywords working differently from card to card.

 Yeah, actually Hearthstone has had in the past quite a few cards that don't interact the same way, so it would not surprise me if this was the case for this card. Especially since it's a new card type entirely. I think it's rather nieve to say "this will obviously not be an exception" as if HS interactions have always been perfectly consistent...

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IMHO...

1) Magic the Gathering

2) Hearthstone

3) Legends of Runeterra

4) everything else

 

 MTG has... issues. Being tied to the paper version is bad for balancing (bans aka removing content is the worst way to do I) and the game also suffets from sets being done with all formats in mind even those that are absent from MTG Arena.

Also, Historic is an awful concept. It isn't the place for the former standard cards. It is a way to make customers pay for anthologies and remastered sets. In Hearthstone you can maintain your wild decks by simply buying new standard sets, in MTG Arena they just introduce old broken cards you have to buy in addition to standard sets....

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I'd say that Warlock is so popular also because there are not many control archetypes to choose from right now. Basically you can play Priest, Warlock or Warrior and that's it. Out of the three, Warlock seems to be the most interesting, despite being probably the worst.

 That’s interesting, because I think the exact opposite. Control warlock is one of the most boring & linear decks in the game, IMO. Nearly every game seems to play out exactly the same way. I find priest & warrior FAR more interesting & fun to play, regardless of win rates. Obviously, this is all subjective, but warlock is probably last on the list of current decks I’d want to ladder with.

 While warlock gets free wins against priest, which is the best deck against paladin, warlock gets farmed by hunters, rogues and spell mages. It’s a hard sell to ladder with warlock, a moderate amount of face damage wrecks it.

I would be fine with it being a shaman only card, but facing it against three decks (Mage, Rogue (yes) and Shaman) feels like too much and it can completely counter deathrattle and res based decks (for 1 mana).  When added to the frequency of disover mechanics it just feels really frustrating most of the time.

I think the issue for me is less about the stat loss on board and more about the negation of deathrattles/buffs etc.  It's behaves like a silence effect and I think Blizz have stated in the past there were keen to reduce their prevalence.

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It's a good deck as long as the meta isn't 40% spell mage and face hunter. So let's see how things shake out over the next week or two.

Not really, unfortunately. He also struggles with Demon Hunter (OTK, Inquisitor), Rogue (Poison, Miracle, Secret), Druid (Token, Clown, even Celestial), Control Warrior (with Rattlegore), other Hunters (e.g with King Krush - Leoroxx combo). Hell even with pathetic Ping Mage (due to unblockable burst damage) or aggro Shaman (if he can draw his burst fast enough).

Do you see a pattern here? Anything that can deal a lot of damage in a short amount of time (like most decks in current Hearthstone...) or can generate tons of value, beats Warlock.

He definitely needs something, either better control tools, either completely new stuff (like fresh, viable archetype or maybe even rework). Self-punishment (like discard hand or destroy own deck) is not a good direction for sure, unless the payoff is good enough, but that's never the case.

Yes, Warlock has good matchup against both Priest and Warrior, but you should be able to win against it with Demon Hunter.

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 im actually serious. their 1 weakness was paladins just killing them by turn 6 but they lost most of their early game. over 74% of my games since nerfs are mage and warlock

 Warlock has only weaknesses, literally. It's a tier 4 deck with ONE excellent matchup in control priest and almost everything else is unfavourable. If you play priest in a ladder pocket full of warlocks, well, you're a bit of a dummy, lad. If you're not playing priest you need to learn to play against warlock, there's not much else to it.

It beats Priest. Full stop. Nothing else. Most overrated deck of all time

Do you even see the stats. Warlock is the 8th best class according to win rate. And you call it OP. Much more likely you just have no idea how to play the matchup, because Warlock is not as strong as people claim it is

lol

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Nothing has changed much, still all Pallys and Mage with the odd bore-fest Priest in Diamond 

 Mages?

 Win-rate doesn't equal play-rate.
That tier list may show how successful those decks are, but it doesn't show how common they are on ladder.

While it's almost self evident that the most powerful deck will be the most common one, and I've made that argument before, that doesn't mean that decks/classes that don't show up here aren't being played at all.