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So I am a relatively new player, but I know all the basics about the game, and know what most basic and common cards do. I want to watch a youtube channel that does let's plays and talks about good strategies and the metagame and uploads daily. What is the best channel to watch?

 Old Guardian has some great content for this, he posts on this site as well and talks through his considerations and thoughts as he plays, as well as what he considers his opponent to be doing. He puts out videos on budget decks as well as breakdowns of what decks are good to claim with etc. He doesn't have a million viewers so if you watch him on twitch, you can interact with him and ask questions etc very easily. 

Dekkster is also good but OG is just a different style, bit slower and more analytical. 

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I like how people here are anti-stats, while people in the other threads, especially the thread made by a guy who reached Legend with Control Warrior, talk greatly about stats.

It's as if there are two completely different and opposite circles in one community.

Either that or you are just pretentious hypocrites.

A lot of my suggestions, while just an opinion, are based on stats. Mankrik and Warsong Wrangler specifically.

Admittedly, I didn't look very sharply at the stats before suggesting the other three nerfs, but for Lilypad Lurker, I chose that because it was unnecessarily buffed.

I'm going to revise my list here and change the cards need to be nerfed:

Skull of Gul'dan to either Deathspeaker Blackthorn or Illidari Inquisitor, more on the latter. The latter can have a ridiculous win rate of 75% if played.

Next time, before calling someone "sore loser because you lose a match", actually back your arguments.

 Played win rate isn't a great indicator of a card's overall strength either though. Finisher cards will have a really high win rate, they tend to get played to end games. Mechathun likely has or had a very high played win rate, it doesn't mean the deck or card itself is over powered or requires a nerf. 

I think the reaction you've had is because the community calls for nerfs literally all the time. Every single update and expansion I've seen, there are multiple different calls for nerfs and most never get done, because they aren't necessary and it's honestly pretty tiresome at this point.

I've been messing around with priest and have found hunter, shaman and demon hunter are all very farmable. There are a few strong classes and decks, that doesn't mean they are a problem and you've probably been branded quickly with the 'moan because you lost to a card' because that happens pretty much daily here. It's kind of like the boy who cried wolf. 

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The same thing happened with MTG last year, look up Lurrus Companion Vintage ban.  They either don't playtest anywhere near enough, or they are simply ambivalent to what changes these OP cards will make on their respective formats.

 Or its harder than we give it credit for. It's very easy to judge people doing a job you don't and haven't ever done, I've been guilty of it in the past, particularly with senior management and I've consistently discovered that it's often much easier to be an armchair critic than it is to actually do it. I see this sort of thing in too mnay games for it to be a team of incompetent developers. I suspect that what we see on the outside as straight forward and easy, is actually very different when you're actually doing it and juggling a lot of other things we likely don't appreciate at the same time. 

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i actually do. but thats not even close to being enough.

In some games i heal for nearly 100 life and clear every board just to die to the 11th insane board or crazy direct dmg crap.

 What rank are you? 

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the last one its happening now, with imprisoned felmaw (thats the reason i keep reading this post, because that initial message), im on a streak of 19 times imprisoned felmaw go face, this one i was counting with a friend just for the laughs... of the people who thinks that the RNG its not rigged...

You realise that with many millions of games, this kind of streak is inevitable, for someone, somewhere? In fact, you would need to rig it to ensure this doesn't happen. 

If you flip a coin, how many heads in a row would it need to show until you started thinking the coin was a trick coin or rigged in someway? If you do a large enough test size, you would expect to get long streaks of heads or tails as well as streaks of one then the other, as well as lots of little bursts of say, heads, heads, heads, tails. 

What you're doing in your head is saying "it's got a 50% chance of being heads, so if I flip it ten times, I should get 5 heads or something is fishy. 

If you flip it one hundred times and record it each time, then the odds of getting the exact sequence you got, even though 100 flips is a tiny data size, the odds of getting that exact sequence, in that order, will be really high. You're applying odds to something after the fact, you can do that with literally anything. What you need to be able to do is predict. If something is rigged, you should be able to ascertain the pattern and recreate it. The coding for the game would need to say what it is that happens, the game isn't some super AI that can think on the fly. It would need to essentially have 'if x happens then that triggers y'. They would need to instruct it on what to do and given the millions of games of hearthstone that are logged and recording, I would think it would be pretty easy for a site like hsreplay to have busted this wife open long ago. 

Of course you're going to agree with the other poster, they validate your 'feelings' and so you're agreeing with them simply because you like what you say. You obviously then can't recognise your own bias and it leads you to think that you agree with them for good reason. 

This would be such a simply thing to prove, yet it's never been done or even come close. 

Show me a game where people don't share strategies, builds, decks etc.

This complaint is so incredibly childish and naive. The game is designed for decks to be shared, that's why they implemented a deck code feature. It's really basic, human nature, to look for and share efficient, effective ways of doing things. It's across all industries, game guides, walkthroughs, cheat codes etc have existed for decades.

Plenty of people craft strong, synergistic decks, others simply don't have the time, so they use resources that share these, like this site.

What this boils down to is you want to be able to make a bad deck and win with it. That's what your complaint is. If your deck is consistently losing, it's a bad deck. You can call it a homebrew to get your little sense of superiority all you like but if it's losing consistently, you clearly aren't good at identifying a win condition and building a strategy around it.

You're obviously building ineffective decks, literally anyone can do that but it's inefficient, time consuming and less fun. You know it's less fun because otherwise you wouldn't be here kicking off about it.

If I want to play football using my own set of made up rules, like only being able to take 2 touches before I have to pass, only being able to shoot from outside the box and no sprinting, I can cry all I like abiut my 'own' way of playing football and that nobody is playing by my rules and so I'm getting crushed and why can't people be original and do things like only use their weaker foot, that makes the game more fun to me!?!?

Because it's shite, that's why and if I want to impose my own crappy rules on how I play that'd fine but I guarantee as soon as I start to complain that other people are just copying each other and playing properly, so I'm not having fun, then I'm getting laughed off the pitch.

You aren't cool or original for making a crappy deck, if that's how you have fun then fine, but you are in the minority, your way of having fun isn't shared by the majority of players. So get off your high horse and accept that if you play the way you want to play, you're going to win less, because you're using bad decks and you aren't as good a deck builder as you think you are. I can make a homebrew using yeti and co because 'it's fun for me' but the fact that I'm playing a unique deck doesn't mean it's a good thing, it doesn't mean I'm playing 'correctly'. It means I'm playing a shitty deck and there's probably a good reason other people haven't designed it. I'm not special for coming up with a crap deck that others wouldn't think of putting together.

Such a lame, boring thing that a minority of snowflakes seem to love complaining about. It's literally all in your head, you're winding yourself up and blaming other people. 

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If it is rigged EVERY player had the same issues. 

 No, certain accounts are flagged to be rigged. Accounts that haven't spent any money at all are highly likely to be flagged so you go on long losing streaks and therefore buy packs. This has been proven by a a few people saying this is what they think happens. Blizzard wants to keep people at silver and gold ranks because this will increase their profits. 

I'm lucky in that my account hasn't been flagged but I did play against 3 rogues in a row the other day, so my time in the sun may be coming to an end. I can't see how that is possible, 3 games against the same class, the odds are just way, way off based on my feelings and therefore I am justified in asserting that it's rigged because Blizzard are greedy. 

Quote from IDProG123 >>

This is not confirmed, but it's obvious that Imprisoned Felmaw's RNG isn't purely random. Its RNG is 50% face, 50% board. This means that adding more minions (than 1) on the board won't help you avoid an attack to the face.

Is Archdruid Naralex the same? Because I swear I get Nightmare like 50% of the time.

 

 That's interesting, if you could link the source of the confirmation of this by Blizzard or an extensive study which shows this is how it works then that would be great. 

Helpful tip for future - just list sources in your post. It clears up a lot of confusion or people rejecting what you're saying. Not listing them could appear like you don't have one and you're just making it up based on 'feelings'. 

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i agree, it's not viable in standard at all. i don't want a tier 1 deck as those are not fun to me, but i'd like to have a decent deck that has a chance to win

 

 What a hilarious thing to say. People like you are dead funny. 

I've just recently started playing wild, probably with around 2 weeks left of last month, maybe a few days less. I'm not experienced with it at all but in my experience the OP is pretty hyperbolic. I have found that you typically play a decent variety of decks, I made a quest mage with as many discover cards and raid the sky temple and it did alright. Not sure on the win rate but I was climbing, also tried a Tess rogue which is clearly not competitive but if my goal is to have fun, I can personally still do that without winning the game. 

I only had time to get to diamond 2 but if you believe the doomsayers on here, you expect it to be a complete shit fest and it really isn't. I don't know a majority of the decks and although I did use highlander mage for some, I wasn't playing a tier 1 deck, I got on just fine.

Idiots on here honestly talk so much shit. I didn't really bother with wild because of all the crap that gets said but I had a blast, I've continued playing it and continue to not see what people are bitching about. Some games have some crazy stuff go on but that's the whole damn point, isn't it? The clue is in the name.

Also, despite not being a wild player I've been aware of multiple balance changes they've made that impact the mode. People exaggerate and lie to try and make their point, this place is absolutely full of it, so this really shouldn't surprise me. 

Quote from Nahuel >>

Worked now. Guess it's repaired.

 It's not anything that's had to be repaired, this thread literally has responses explaining what causes this. It's not a Blizzard issue either, games I've played before sometimes release faster on xbox than PlayStation, due to the checks on psn which delays it. 

See the same thing there as well, people kicking off, saying the devs are incompetent etc. I can't help but judge someone for being monumentally stupid when they are throwing around insults and accusations of incompetence when in fact it's their complete ignorance that means they don't understand why these things happen. Stupid people must spend so much time angry about things they don't understand.

Introducing more options is a positive in my book. It feels like they are testing the water when it comes to cosmetics, what the demand is etc and if it is popular, it might not directly lead to cheaper packs etc but it does enable them more flexibility with things like the battle pass. If they are able to up the gold given in that a bit because the cosmetic side is successful, then it leads to more people playing more of the game and that's the key thing, the more someone plays, the more invested they become and the more likely they are to then buy a skin or some packs.

I don't buy into the idea that they are just purely greedy, obviously they need to make money and they will have to look to increase this, that'd what businesses do. I do believe that they want as many people playing the game as possible and spending money in a manner they are happy with. If they are able to increase revenue and balance this with making the game a little more affordable then I feel they will do so. They have shown they will do so. When I started playing, there were very, very limited options. Over time I feel its become more reasonable to buy into the game without having to commit hundreds of £. I know this for a fact because I don't spend anywhere near that amount and I have a large collection, can make any deck I want in standard, have a ton of dust and gold in reserve and have started branching out into wild. In my personal experience, the game is more affordable than it was 2 years ago. 

People are so funny in how they build up a prejudice against an entire group of people based on really Perry things. This thread has had some reasoned, well worded responses and some absolute messes that I imagine were written by a ten year old who struggles with words.

People build up an intense hatred for 'priest players'. So now it's hunter, priest, mage, rogue, demon hunter who are all terrible people, anti fun pay to win, brainless idiots. The irony that the people who can only muster this sort of response are generally describing themselves.

Both classes are pretty versatile and have been given archetypes and cards that require more thought than play the minion for tempo. They are quite fun classes whilst also pretty powerful. I've played mage decks extensively even if they have a low win rate, mainly because I'm not bothered about climbing, that just happens, but I am bothered about not feeling like I'm doing the same thing over and over again and aggressive decks or strong tempo decks just feel like that to me. 

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deck is not viable for climb at least with the w/r I like ... Don't expect more than a 55 % wr right now. At HS Replay miracle Rogue is Tier 3 with 48% wr so Trash... 

 Don't forget that these win rates aren't simply a reflection of the power of a deck, but reflects how successful people are. 

If you get a ton of low skill players trying to pilot a deck and failing, the win rate will be impacted. A win rate of 48% isn't the natural power of that deck, I always allow a buffer either side to account for particularly good or particularly poor use of the deck.

Despite what the hysterical crowd on here will have you believe, there is skill involved in this game and there are clearly a lot of very bad players, going by the figures I've seen before of numbers in each rank (assuming these are even just fairly accurate, the actual number of players getting to legend is very small).

So it also helps to clarify which rank you're quoting when you say 48% because that doesn't tell the full story. 

 The point is that for the majority of Hs players Miracle Rogues is not the deck to climb. I always liked rogue and been playing the class since forever with all the deck variants. As for the skill lvl I reach Legend 1500 -2000 and I don't bother anymore cause I don't care plus the amount of games I play are very few. But with Rogue the matches I get can't win them mostly face hunter aggro pala, the wr is around 55-60 % and that just doesn't cut it for me. I don't have time to play 300 games to Legend. I see posts of people that play 100 games from D5 to Legend. That to me is Insane so I don't bother to play a deck that isn't tier 1 or gives you a headache to have a good wr. I hope Rogue gets stronger like the Gala days were I actually enjoyed playing the class. 

 My comment wasn't aimed at your skill level, I was more addressing the 48% overall win rate not being the defining power of that deck. Maybe it's not an efficient climbing deck, I don't know, but just saying it has a 48% win rate without specifying what rank that's from or giving any other information why so ever and is therefore trash isn't convincing to me, that's all. 

Quote from 30phillosgamer >>

deck is not viable for climb at least with the w/r I like ... Don't expect more than a 55 % wr right now. At HS Replay miracle Rogue is Tier 3 with 48% wr so Trash... 

 Don't forget that these win rates aren't simply a reflection of the power of a deck, but reflects how successful people are. 

If you get a ton of low skill players trying to pilot a deck and failing, the win rate will be impacted. A win rate of 48% isn't the natural power of that deck, I always allow a buffer either side to account for particularly good or particularly poor use of the deck.

Despite what the hysterical crowd on here will have you believe, there is skill involved in this game and there are clearly a lot of very bad players, going by the figures I've seen before of numbers in each rank (assuming these are even just fairly accurate, the actual number of players getting to legend is very small).

So it also helps to clarify which rank you're quoting when you say 48% because that doesn't tell the full story.