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I agree, but I was thinking about something slightly different - the time it takes for a new player to be able to compete on ladder at all. It may be a bit overwhelming when you start the game and realize how long the journey to a competitive (not even high ranks) level is. 

I know it's too early to say where the meta will actually go after full release of LoE, but after going through initial deck ideas and seeing what happens to ladder I see a big risk coming along with more controllish meta.

I mean, I know it's great to have a perspective of less aggro in ladder, but the fact that aggro dominated ladder was not only caused by the fact it was generally easier to play such decks - those decks are noticeably cheaper than others (e.g. you could still climb through ladder with Secretadin without a single legendary), letting new players do a competitive gaming without months of grind for expansions and packs. Now my doubts are - if we actually come to a ladder full of Reno-and-similar decks, which most are based of control/fatigue archetype, what do you think will be a new player experience? 

Before you could actually unlock some of the wings and create an average deck that would bring you close to 40-50% winrate on lower ranks, which surely was motivation for new players (like me). Now if you come to a ladder with a new, F2P account, what really would you be able to craft out to face control decks packed with epics and legendary.

Don't get me wrong, it's not a post to complain "oh noez, can't SMorc anymoar". I don't play huntards or secretards. I'm just wondering if with the meta (if it goes the way it seems to go right now) won't be even more new-player-unfriendly than it was before. Lots of threads discuss how great it is we're gonna finally have anti-aggro tools, but no one seems to see that it may also block new players from coming over, which is eventually going to kill the game?

What you guys think? Maybe I'm exaggerating a bit, maybe it's not like aggro is actually going anywhere? Gimme your thoughts.

Well, it would utterly destroy cards like Muster for Battle, making it unplayable. I understand the intention of limiting the aggro in HS, but such design is more of a kill-it-completely. 

It's kinda like what Blizzard did with Patron - instead of nerfing, you would have just killed it with introduction of few such cards, and seems like Reno Jackson is already doing the job.

My main account I have had since early Beta. I have consistently reached rank 5 every season since as long as it was a thing. Its about at rank 5 the fun stops happening and I never pursue that push to legend. Recently my two nephews (5 and 4) wanted to start playing hearthstone because they saw me and they love that gratification of opening packs of cards.

Now every three days I'll log on for them and try to complete their quests. Last month I even got them both to rank 15 before the expo drop. This month though I don't even dare to venture into ranked for the reason that there are so many vultures still hanging around rank 19-20 with their well funded decks just beating up on F2P basic card decks like my nephews. It was after losing to a golden freeze mage at rank 20 with basic druid c'thun and believe me the deck is functional but doesn't strike fear in anyone with all the cards. It made me just kinda throw my hands in the air and say I would never start this game over again from scratch because the experience has been awful. 

Now being a rank 5 player normally I start at rank 16-17 like clockwork every season and by this point of the season I'm normally about done for the month so I can't speak for everyone but has this month been particularly rough on people progressing through the ranks and that's why I'm seeing such a clusterfuck of high end decks at rank 19-20 or is this just people who bore of rock, paper, scissors and decided to grind wins?

Any other new players out there or people who have started F2P 2nd/3rd accounts recently who can share their stories with the thread I'm curious if my experience is more or less par for the course for the new standard.

Paladins have hammers. At all times. It's part of their abilities. When they say "My Hammer burns with holy fire" they mean a literal hammer made of holy fire. A "Spirit" Hammer if you will. Doesn't matter if they have a sword or an actual hammer, they always have a hammer.

Eh... did your opponent have any minions on the board? If not, it should be 1 - P(Thaurissan is hit 4 times in a row) - 4P(Thaurissan is hit 3 times and only a single Axe Flinger is hit once, then the Thaurissan is hit again). Which is 1 - (1/3)^4 - 4(2/3)(1/3)^4 = 232/243. 95.5% chance for lethal, basically.

Copy pasted my reply from the thread in General Discussions.

I believe any nerfs should be made to Savage Roar. Force of Nature is really just 6 mana deal 6. If SR didn't exist FoN wouldn't even be used anywhere. The main problem is that the massive blowout potential of the card makes it so that you can never allow a druid to develop a board, or you can be bursted down in a single turn by a 3 mana card that is easy to double cast. 

On the other hand Blizz has stated that they don't really like the Charge effect in the game. So I can see FoN being changed to lose charge and the death at end of turn effect, and maybe receive some other type of buff to make the card not completely suck, such as an extra tree.

"My poison fills your head
As I tuck you into bed
You feel my fingertips
You won't forget my lips
You'll feel my cold breath
It's the kiss of death..."

If I kiss enough frogs, surely one will be a prince...

The idea of the card is that you will fill up your opponents board with 0 attack minions, which could deny them the ability to play minions from their hand. On the flip side all those minions have taunt so you have to back up your plan with developing your own board in peace before removing the frogs or using spells to burn your opponent down. Or your opponent might have Bloodlust and you lose instantly to a horde of angry frogs!

Edited to match card text to the style of Onyxia/Leroy Jenkins

Tiny Knight of Evil. Succubus. The Discard synergy. YOLO for a threatening board but you "give up" your hand.