create multiple accounts and play only a few classes on each, problem solved
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SoloSnacks posted a message on F2P Lives Matter too...Posted in: General DiscussionFWIW - a couple months ago, when Barrens launched, TrumpSC started a new F2P account, hitting Legend by the end of the month. He ended up playing one of the most expensive decks on ladder (Control Warlock.) By the end of the month, the deck had seven Legendaries and four Epics. Seven years ago, his first F2P deck ran a single Epic, and no Legendaries.
It seems fair to say that things have improved considerably for F2Ps.
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P4dge posted a message on F2P Lives Matter too...Posted in: General DiscussionQuote from Andrei2007 >>On a casual level, yes, f2p players have the possibility of reaching legend. But if they want to go competitive? Not really. Classes rotate in power levels, so just having a few classes you collect for means there will be seasons in which you cannot compete in open cups. You also cannot experiment with all top meta decks to understand how to play them, or play against them. On top of that, you need a subscription to hsreplay premium to understand the meta, winrates and mulligans. So yeah, don't tell me that having to sink endless hours in arena runs just so you can play standard without getting mopped is right. Also, saying that all card games are expensive and "you know what you get yourself into" is a poor argument, it does not make it right to pay the value of 2 triple a games every 4 months to keep up with the meta. There are other games that do not punish you for not paying. And yes, every voice counts, be it from a f2p player or the fattest whale in the ocean. By using their service and contributing to the player pool, everyone has the right to criticize it. Don't tell people they cannot complain just because you spent more than them.
Why should they be able to go competitive, with a wide range of decks across all classes? What's the point of the business in that case? Do you work? If so, what job do you do?
You don't need to spend the amount of 2 triple aaa games, man stop lying, it doesn't make your point seem more sound, it's transparent as fuck and just makes everything you say lack credibility. I have only ever ordered the small pre order bundle, one time I ordered the higher priced one. I don't do it every single expansion either. I have over 30k dust, a very wide collection and for the last year/year and a half have been able to play every deck I've wanted to. Included multiple decks where I've created a legendary or two, played the deck a handful of times and then just stopped. Not a chance I spend anything close to 6 aaa games in a year. Some people will be utter morons and spunk gold into stupid shit or have no real idea how to manage resources.
I'll end it there, pretty much everything you've said is either a lie, hyperbole or just naive.
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HatShapedHat posted a message on F2P Lives Matter too...Posted in: General DiscussionQuote from Andrei2007 >>Dumb comment. You cannot attack f2p players for choosing not to spend money. They contribute with their time, mouth to mouth advertisement, and in matchmaking to usually lose against players with full sets. He is not wrong, the game is darn expensive, and it's probably impossible for a f2p player to keep up with 10 classes."dumb comment" - Great opening statement there. Nothing reels someone in and grabs their attention for a lively discussion like a subjective insult
"you cannot attack f2p players" - Another wonderful comment - it really shows you read what I wrote, took it at face value and in no way created your own narrative /s. A small piece of advise you can take to heart and apply to almost everything in life...just because someone says something you don't personally agree with does not mean they are "attacking" you.
"contribute with their time" - If Blizz isn't making money, why would they care?
"mouth to mouth advertisement" - Personally for me, I always like when someone talks directly into my mouth when telling me something. I used to prefer someone speaking in the direction of my ears which allowed me to hear what they were saying but 'mouth to mouth' speaking just can't be beat. (PS, the phrase you were looking for was "word of mouth")
"matchmaking to usually lose against players with full sets" - A 100% completely unfounded hyperbolic statement backed up by absolutely nothing; but hey! it's 2021 so this might as well qualify for headline news. Let's pretend for a moment the argument is valid (it's not in case you were wondering or wanted to explore this any further), you are saying a main reason Blizzard employs a sizeable F2P player base is to act as cannon fodder for their paid clients? I (and many, many others) are going to simply disagree.
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BravoTeam posted a message on Archdruid Naralex's RNG is Rigged?Posted in: General Discussionits nice to see someone like 3nnu1, i always think that everything its rigged in HS , its logic and its common sense, no company will rely on luck his incomes, they need a 50% winrate to maintain everyone happy and playing (and paying)
When you're right you're right. They do have a system which keeps everyone at 50% winrate. It's this big secret, so make sure you don't leak it, or the Blizz police may come knocking on my door: It's called MMR. It stands for Match Making Rating, and it's a number which roughly tracks your skill. They match you with people of a similar number, so that if you're good your opponents are also good and they're more likely to beat you. When you're at the correct MMR for you, your opponents should be of equal skill to you, and your winrate is at 50%. It's a fiendishly clever way of not needing to do all the complicated work of programing rigged RNG into every card.
As for your Felmaw streak - that is actually some data, and pretty suspicious data at that. Legitimately, good job, this is the best argument I've seen for the rigged RNG hypothesis. That said, I'd love some proof of this data, because it's truly extraordinary - the probability of it is one in several hundred billion. If the RNG for Felmaw was this heavily rigged it would be impossible for people not to notice - I've had Felmaw hit a single minion a few times, and I've played a little less than a hundred billion games where a Felmaw was up against one minion, for instance - which casts shade on the authenticity of the data. I'd be probably willing to take something that doesn't have such astronomically low odds of happening (and thus doesn't clearly prove your point) at face value more than this. It still wouldn't be definitive proof of anything because of the usual problems with stuff like this on forums - small sample size, a lack of control groups, possibly counting only the hits and ignoring the misses - but it would be enough for me to not see the conspiracy position as based on literally nothing.
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P4dge posted a message on Honestly I don't understand why people play this game anymore.Posted in: General DiscussionI do understand that everyone can enjoy the game as they want. The question that I asked is how can someone enjoy the game while only playing 1 single deck for the past couple of years with no huge changes? How dumb can you be not to understand this? How much more do I have to write for people to stop twisting my words? Insulting, demeaning, patronizing how much up your own ass can you be.
I made this thread to hear why people play the exact same deck and why they enjoy that style, yet I only heard a couple of people actually answer like that and to them I am really thankful. But most of the retards became defendant of the whole netdecking idea and started saying that home brewers are arrogant and dumb.
No, you're now being dishonest and back tracking slightly because you've been called out on your bullshit. Your op cried repeatedly about netdecking without the caveat that it was the only deck a person played.
" However, as more and more websites relating to HS sprouted and netdecking became more relevant, the huge aspect of experimenting and figuring stuff out on your own is completely dead"
"Can someone please answer me - "Is it fun to just copy decks from a website?", "Is it fun not to put any thought in the cards that are in *your* deck?"
You then do ask the question but have changed it in your post above to 'years', in your op you reference people playing a single deck for a year. I no nobody who does this, seems a dishonest question which you've asked to try and ram home your point. How many people do what you're saying? Every single person I've seen, played with, watched on stream etc plays more than one deck in a year.
Your main complaint is people not creating and experimenting with their own decks. You repeatedly cry about netdecking without referencing the 'one deck for one year' thing - I doubt many, if any people actually do that, it's just a strawman thrown in to try and add weight to your point.
Look, don't go on about 'dumb' you clearly aren't very bright and as I've said, evidently lack the emotional intelligence to consider other perspectives. Your op is aggressive and whiny. You probably could have had a constructive discussion but the wording of your op suggests that's not what you wanted. You wanted to rant and whine.
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Bartos posted a message on I Finally Get Why People Hate TickatusPosted in: General DiscussionQuote from Kinkyjohnfowler >>Fear of your cards being burned is just something players really should get used to. It’s just an extra wincon and the more varied wincons are the better and more varied the game is.
Good point. I guess this is a matter of taste, and it's just my preference is that the win conditions should still be contained within a reasonable framework. With this burning win condition the little 1 mana 1/1 chicken comes to mind that they had scrapped way back in alpha, the one that would deal one damage to whoever moused over it (Auto-Pecker, I think). While it wouldn't have been too strong, it was just way out of the framework they wanted to go with. There was also an effect that flipped the board upside down; also scrapped in alpha.
To go with the chess metaphor, chess arguably doesn't get better if you add off the board win conditions; although chessboxing does exist, and Bobby Fischer himself said (he was pretty old and completely mental at this point, mind you) that regular chess is a boring game and that he'd much rather play the Fischer Random variation, so, you know, it does all come down to different tastes.
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HatShapedHat posted a message on Why do people not take the most obvious clues?Posted in: General DiscussionNo one likes when rich people talk about their wealth. No one likes with attractive people talk about their attractiveness. No one likes when smart people talk about how smart they are.
Same thing happens to me all the time. Considering my IQ is in the top 1% and my education level is much higher than most as well, I chop it up to the fact that most people just don't function at the same level.
The irony of someone bragging about an IQ in the top 1% of people yet not knowing that the phrase is "chalk it up" instead of "chop it up" is really delicious.
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Perennial posted a message on 71% BIG Paladin to Legend (32-13)Posted in: 71% BIG Paladin to Legend (32-13)Now tell us how you really feel.
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vNihilism posted a message on RegisKillbin & Kripparrian Withdraw From Inn-vitational This Week - Blizzard Announces Plans and ReplacementsPosted in: NewsReason Regis gave up his spot: Doesn't want to hold an opportunity from someone who might actually need or deserve it.
Person who gets the spot: Successful influencer that was chosen based on gender.
Forcing "representation & inclusivity" in a community that is inherently NOT demographically balanced will actually prevent the people who deserve opportunities from getting them. And you're just kidding yourself if you think Blizzard or social infliencers care about who "NEEDS" opportunities.
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Your patter is so shit, man.
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It's Hearthstone's answer to a sideboard. The issue with something like an Ooze is that it's just a pretty bad card if your opponent doesn't run weapons, so this allows you to cycle for something that may be more useful in the matchup.
It's a positive step forwards for the game imo, it makes tech choices easier to justify and mitigates the bad feeling of playing against decks where some of your cards are basically dead.
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As you clearly lack the mental capacity to engage in an adult conversation I cannot imagine what I'm about to say will have that much of an effect on you. Your failure to understand basic concepts, your awful attempts at being ‘funny’, and your bewildering hypocrisy are just too much. Sorry. In any case this post isn’t for ‘you’, it’s directed at you, but it is intended to be read by those with an IQ higher than that of a rabbit. This may be too long for you, you may not ‘give a shit about me’ and in turn pretend not to read it, but that’s fine. This is an open forum... Am I being condescending enough for you? (That question was rhetorical [google it]; I’ll rise back up from your level now).
If it really helps you enjoy the game to hang on to the idea that Blizzard is only out to create a 100% fair and random game for your entertainment then again I say more power to you.
You aren't arguing against things I'm actually saying here, your creating in your head what you want me to believe and then arguing against that. For what reason I have no idea.
I actually believe Blizzard are 100% out to make as much money as they can. They just don't need to rig the game in order to do that.
It was adorable how you keep referring to ZTG as if the card was a real person. I said the card reads the board and selects the best card and somehow you took that off on an algorithm tangent.
Your claim was an attempt to use ZTG as an example of how the foundations for the algorithm are already apparent to us all. However the actual algorithm would be nowhere close to ZTG, so what you said made no sense. You were gloating about arguments you've apparently had with other people in the past, it was really weird. And referring to something as he/she doesn't indicate that it is a real person, infact this is generally how we refer to and speak about AI - I know you're just trying to be cute here but it isn't helping your case.
I like how you interpret Lifecoach's interview to meet your fantasies. Kind of glossed over the "low skill cap" and added some of your ideas as if they were his but again whatever works for you.
Firstly, the hypocrisy here is mind bending. However to respond to your claim, I’m interpreting what Lifecoach has said based on what I know of him (I used to occasionally watch clips of him) and what he has said repeatedly in the past. He has, as far as I’m aware, never made any serious allegations of match rigging. He did often complain about the ladder system, RNG, and how grinding a consistent win rate is more important for competitive play than tournaments. His main issue with this (again going off what he has actually said) is that in a Best of Three RNG has a massive effect on the outcome.
And the game does have a ‘low skill cap’. I’ve said this myself in this very conversation so how you feel I've glossed over it is beyond me. With that being said it is still a card game and the skill cap is in relation to it being a card game. Go kart racing has a greatly reduced skill cap in comparison to Formula 1, that doesn't mean you aren't still going to smash into a barrier. Card games by their nature have levels of play and the level you are playing at in Hearthstone is well outside of the scope Lifecoach is talking about. Like I said you aren’t even involved in the same conversation (neither am I, or the vast majority of others for that matter.)
This is because RNG has a very diminishing effect on your climb the further away you are from your average rank, but once you start to approach your rank and consistently face players of a similar skill level your win rate moves closer and closer to 50%, this is aided by RNG as a high amount of randomness naturally gravitates everyone towards 50%, this means that the amount of people 'at your skill level' is elevated. Before you hit this point however RNG only really has an effect on a game per game basis (such as in a Best of Three), not over a large number of games (Lifecoach touched on this in the quote you linked [and then preceded to completely misunderstand], and is why he believes the game benefits grinding. The more you grind, the greater an impact you will see from small incremental increases in your win rate).
For many people (including yourself) this point is Diamond because the win streaks end here. So a ~50% w/r will no longer be good enough to advance within a reasonable time period. However a high Legend player will not be too greatly effected by RNG at Diamond because they have the capability to maintain a win rate at that level which is high enough to nullify any defeats they suffer due to bad draws and bad luck.
Now most people understand this, they can recognise the concept of plateauing, especially once the safety wheels have been taken off such is the case at Diamond. They realise that they will not be able to go forward unless they improve. Some people however (and this is you) cannot grasp this and therefore assume that there must actually be something wrong with the game.
I really cannot emphasise enough how simple this concept is, and how ludicrous it is that you don't understand it. If you are ever interested in actually understanding how the game works however, then as I have mentioned in previous posts, all you need to do is provide your HSReplay links and allow high legend players review your games which you apparently had no chance of winning. In fact, the concept is so simple and your reactions so ludicrous that assume the reality is actually that in spite of all the bluster, you are completely aware that what you are saying here is complete nonsense, and you know that providing these links will completely destroy your theories.
Also the fact that you think 15 hours of playing a video game isn't a lot just proves my point. There's a great big world out there. Try checking it out sometime.
15 hours is a lot of time, I have never claimed otherwise. Seriously, your reading comprehension is terrible.
This climb was done with a completely fresh account, including the tutorial, on the old (harder) laddering system. Climbing to legend on the new system with a 9x win bonus takes a significantly shorter time. The point is that even in the extreme case I listed, that climb can be done playing 30 minutes per day. Your claims that you don't play enough are nonsense. You're just not good enough to reach Legend within a reasonable timeframe.
To close, it is pretty amusing how you use the age old “go outside, nerd” retort when you have been bleating on about a children's card game being rigged for over 3 years. That is unhinged, man. Like it's amazing that someone like you would even attempt to insult someone about their personal life.
Finally, save maybe correcting any falsehoods that may be brought up this is the last I'll probably say on this matter, unless of course you grow a backbone and provide some HSReplay links. Failing to do that, but continuing to prattle on like you have been with snarky comments and straw men will be enough for me to know that you are wrong, and you know that you are wrong, so I'll see no further reason to continue arguing my points.
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I’m not an ‘anti-conspiricy theorist’. Some conspiricies have weight to them and until proven wrong I can understand why people would follow them. Blizzard manipulating the game for profit is a fair enough conspiracy to believe in, there is no smoking gun evidence for it but given the predatory nature of gaming publishers (including Activision Blizzard) I can understand why people don’t trust them.
Some of the things Evil_B is posting are verifiably incorrect, though. I know you are desperate for your feelings to be validated but jumping on literally ANYTHING which you feel supports your beliefs is a pretty sure fire way to look stupid.
Anybody who cannot make Legend just isn’t skilled enough at the game to do so. That’s a fact. They haven’t put enough time into studying the meta, they don’t understand how to mulligan correctly, they have no clue how to hand read, they are usually focused purely on what is happening on the board and not what their opponents will be playing next turn, or the turn after that. “Should I draw cards here or is developing a minion mire important?” “Should I drop my win con now or bait out removal?” Etc
@Evil_B your last comment actually half makes sense. Those things existing DO indicate that Blizzard COULD manipulate the game in nefarious ways. It doesn’t PROVE that they are, however, and it certainly doesn’t explain why you are stuck at Diamond 5 because people who are actually good at the game have no issue sailing into Legend, even on completely fresh accounts, other people’s accounts, old accounts, F2P accounts, P2W accounts, all of it. The only people who cannot make Legend are those who don’t try to, or those who, despite thinking the game is easy, don’t fully understand it.
MMR and a lot of RNG are good ways to jeep everything close to 50/50, you don’t need to rig games. However, to reiterate, Blizzard MAY be doing that. It hasn’t been proven or disproven. Your claims that people cannot make Legend without the game rigging it for them has been disproven countless times however. You could even disprove it yourself if you dropped the act and put some time into really learning how to optimally play the game.
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Honestly I've never seen another (non political) forum that comes close to HearthPwn for this, it's actually pretty intriguing.
In most cases when someone lies, or tries to misguide people, they do so in an obfuscating way. On HearthPwn however, posters, on a regular basis, just flat out make absurd, objectively false, and easily debunked statements. Then despite other posters showing them clear and verifiable evidence that what they are saying is 100% fabricated, they just ignore it and repeat what they were saying anyway.
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So you play the game an insane amount and are still bad. What point are you trying to even prove here?
Why don’t you just play a few games of face hunter with HDT installed and post the links to the replays? You post a lot of ‘facts’ and you could really validate them if you did that.
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I don’t think me posting very occasionally on a forum constitutes a hobby, but whatever, this doesn’t seem to be your forte, ‘brah’.
You are actively putting what appears to be a fair chunk of time into a game you claim is completely rigged. That seems like a genuinely insane thing to do. There are other digital card games out there and maybe one of then can offer you some actual enjoyment.
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Nah you’re completely wrong again, sorry. I’m not good at Hearthstone. I was a bog standard Diamond 5 meme deck player, I no longer play the game because I recognised that it wasn’t enjoyable to me due to many factors, the heavy reliance on curving out and RNG being a couple of the problems.
If you genuinely believe what you claim then the fact you still play the game speaks volumes of you as a person. Seriously just find a new hobby.
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That's strange because me and my friend carried out the same experiment, I'm currently on a 118 streak of Felmaw hitting a minion. which is odd because in 89 of those cases there wasn't even another minion on board.
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Well the messenger in this case is misinterpreting the message, so yes, shoot the messenger.
I would consider myself a fairly rational person, and I’ve said multiple times on this forum how I wouldn’t be surprised in the slightest if Blizzard were manipulating things to the detriment of gameplay in order to increase the profitability of the game. I don’t trust game publishers, and I certainly don’t trust Activision.
With that said, every time you or one of your crew come into a thread with you tails in the air, posting ‘evidence’ and ‘facts’ I can’t help but weep for humanity. You have never once posted ANYTHING which actually proves, or even heavily implies what you are claiming.
In Mathematical tests the main points are given for those who can show their working out, regardless of whether they get the answer correct or not. You score a zero for your working out. You may be right however, Blizzard MAY be rigging the game. Maybe.
If you want people to take what you are saying seriously then I think you need to go back to the drawing board. Read your ‘evidence’ carefully and understand it, understand what conclusions you can draw from it and then figure out what statements can be conclusively made. Your final message won’t be as definitive you want it to be but it won’t be riddled with holes either.