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    posted a message on Group therapy! Need to blow off steam? Mega salty? Here is the place! V2
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    @kinkijohnfowler:

    I registered just to thank you to be a champion of reason and repeatedly attempt to reason with conspiracists and flat out put the whole thing to rest. I’ve been lurking for a while and couldn’t understand why anyone wasn’t slapping off the tin foil hat and reasonably explain how things work. I doubt he will ever post his replays. As you’ve said that’s something he’s been avoiding for good reason. Once that’s out, the show is over.

    Re: why people are hostile against conspiracy theories? It’s not the theories themselves, it’s stupidity in general. People react adversely to stupid things. I mean, considering how many people work and have worked at Blizzard wouldn’t something as big as every game is rigged have leaked by now? Blizzard isn’t the Pentagon last I checked. 

     So John registered a second account to jerk himself off in front of everyone. How cute. 

     Your patter is so shit, man. 

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    posted a message on Thoughts on The New "Tradeable" Keyword

    It's Hearthstone's answer to a sideboard. The issue with something like an Ooze is that it's just a pretty bad card if your opponent doesn't run weapons, so this allows you to cycle for something that may be more useful in the matchup.

    It's a positive step forwards for the game imo, it makes tech choices easier to justify and mitigates the bad feeling of playing against decks where some of your cards are basically dead.

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    posted a message on Group therapy! Need to blow off steam? Mega salty? Here is the place! V2

    As you clearly lack the mental capacity to engage in an adult conversation I cannot imagine what I'm about to say will have that much of an effect on you. Your failure to understand basic concepts, your awful attempts at being ‘funny’, and your bewildering hypocrisy are just too much. Sorry. In any case this post isn’t for ‘you’, it’s directed at you, but it is intended to be read by those with an IQ higher than that of a rabbit. This may be too long for you, you may not ‘give a shit about me’ and in turn pretend not to read it, but that’s fine. This is an open forum... Am I being condescending enough for you? (That question was rhetorical [google it]; I’ll rise back up from your level now).

    If it really helps you enjoy the game to hang on to the idea that Blizzard is only out to create a 100% fair and random game for your entertainment then again I say more power to you. 

    You aren't arguing against things I'm actually saying here, your creating in your head what you want me to believe and then arguing against that. For what reason I have no idea.

    I actually believe Blizzard are 100% out to make as much money as they can. They just don't need to rig the game in order to do that.

    It was adorable how you keep referring to ZTG as if the card was a real person. I said the card reads the board and selects the best card and somehow you took that off on an algorithm tangent. 

    Your claim was an attempt to use ZTG as an example of how the foundations for the algorithm are already apparent to us all. However the actual algorithm would be nowhere close to ZTG, so what you said made no sense. You were gloating about arguments you've apparently had with other people in the past, it was really weird. And referring to something as he/she doesn't indicate that it is a real person, infact this is generally how we refer to and speak about AI - I know you're just trying to be cute here but it isn't helping your case.

    I like how you interpret Lifecoach's interview to meet your fantasies. Kind of glossed over the "low skill cap" and added some of your ideas as if they were his but again whatever works for you. 

    Firstly, the hypocrisy here is mind bending. However to respond to your claim, I’m interpreting what Lifecoach has said based on what I know of him (I used to occasionally watch clips of him) and what he has said repeatedly in the past. He has, as far as I’m aware, never made any serious allegations of match rigging. He did often complain about the ladder system, RNG, and how grinding a consistent win rate is more important for competitive play than tournaments. His main issue with this (again going off what he has actually said) is that in a Best of Three RNG has a massive effect on the outcome.

    And the game does have a ‘low skill cap’. I’ve said this myself in this very conversation so how you feel I've glossed over it is beyond me. With that being said it is still a card game and the skill cap is in relation to it being a card game. Go kart racing has a greatly reduced skill cap in comparison to Formula 1, that doesn't mean you aren't still going to smash into a barrier. Card games by their nature have levels of play and the level you are playing at in Hearthstone is well outside of the scope Lifecoach is talking about. Like I said you aren’t even involved in the same conversation (neither am I, or the vast majority of others for that matter.)

    This is because RNG has a very diminishing effect on your climb the further away you are from your average rank, but once you start to approach your rank and consistently face players of a similar skill level your win rate moves closer and closer to 50%, this is aided by RNG as a high amount of randomness naturally gravitates everyone towards 50%, this means that the amount of people 'at your skill level' is elevated. Before you hit this point however RNG only really has an effect on a game per game basis (such as in a Best of Three), not over a large number of games (Lifecoach touched on this in the quote you linked [and then preceded to completely misunderstand], and is why he believes the game benefits grinding. The more you grind, the greater an impact you will see from small incremental increases in your win rate).

    For many people (including yourself) this point is Diamond because the win streaks end here. So a ~50% w/r will no longer be good enough to advance within a reasonable time period. However a high Legend player will not be too greatly effected by RNG at Diamond because they have the capability to maintain a win rate at that level which is high enough to nullify any defeats they suffer due to bad draws and bad luck.

    Now most people understand this, they can recognise the concept of plateauing, especially once the safety wheels have been taken off such is the case at Diamond. They realise that they will not be able to go forward unless they improve. Some people however (and this is you) cannot grasp this and therefore assume that there must actually be something wrong with the game.

    I really cannot emphasise enough how simple this concept is, and how ludicrous it is that you don't understand it. If you are ever interested in actually understanding how the game works however, then as I have mentioned in previous posts, all you need to do is provide your HSReplay links and allow high legend players review your games which you apparently had no chance of winning. In fact, the concept is so simple and your reactions so ludicrous that assume the reality is actually that in spite of all the bluster, you are completely aware that what you are saying here is complete nonsense, and you know that providing these links will completely destroy your theories. 

    Also the fact that you think 15 hours of playing a video game isn't a lot just proves my point. There's a great big world out there. Try checking it out sometime. 

    15 hours is a lot of time, I have never claimed otherwise. Seriously, your reading comprehension is terrible.

    This climb was done with a completely fresh account, including the tutorial, on the old (harder) laddering system. Climbing to legend on the new system with a 9x win bonus takes a significantly shorter time. The point is that even in the extreme case I listed, that climb can be done playing 30 minutes per day. Your claims that you don't play enough are nonsense. You're just not good enough to reach Legend within a reasonable timeframe.

    To close, it is pretty amusing how you use the age old “go outside, nerd” retort when you have been bleating on about a children's card game being rigged for over 3 years. That is unhinged, man. Like it's amazing that someone like you would even attempt to insult someone about their personal life.


    Finally, save maybe correcting any falsehoods that may be brought up this is the last I'll probably say on this matter, unless of course you grow a backbone and provide some HSReplay links. Failing to do that, but continuing to prattle on like you have been with snarky comments and straw men will be enough for me to know that you are wrong, and you know that you are wrong, so I'll see no further reason to continue arguing my points.

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    posted a message on Group therapy! Need to blow off steam? Mega salty? Here is the place! V2
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    Why are people who don’t believe in big scary conspiracy theories so hostile towards those who do? Funny how these theories always end up being true! The people who believe in them will just say those who don’t believe are just ********. But those anti conspiracists it’s like it eats at there soul they HAVE to be right. You HAVE to think just like them! Lol why? Why are you people literally npcs? Who cares who complains about the rng? Everyone admits and knows it is being manipulated the question always seems to be how much? Let the man think what he wants. Who cares. Stop starting shit because they don’t fall in line with your thinking. I can just imagine how you people are in real life prob pretty sad.

     I’m not an ‘anti-conspiricy theorist’. Some conspiricies have weight to them and until proven wrong I can understand why people would follow them. Blizzard manipulating the game for profit is a fair enough conspiracy to believe in, there is no smoking gun evidence for it but given the predatory nature of gaming publishers (including Activision Blizzard) I can understand why people don’t trust them.

    Some of the things Evil_B is posting are verifiably incorrect, though. I know you are desperate for your feelings to be validated but jumping on literally ANYTHING which you feel supports your beliefs is a pretty sure fire way to look stupid. 

    Anybody who cannot make Legend just isn’t skilled enough at the game to do so. That’s a fact. They haven’t put enough time into studying the meta, they don’t understand how to mulligan correctly, they have no clue how to hand read, they are usually focused purely on what is happening on the board and not what their opponents will be playing next turn, or the turn after that. “Should I draw cards here or is developing a minion mire important?” “Should I drop my win con now or bait out removal?” Etc

    @Evil_B your last comment actually half makes sense. Those things existing DO indicate that Blizzard COULD manipulate the game in nefarious ways. It doesn’t PROVE that they are, however, and it certainly doesn’t explain why you are stuck at Diamond 5 because people who are actually good at the game have no issue sailing into Legend, even on completely fresh accounts, other people’s accounts, old accounts, F2P accounts, P2W accounts, all of it. The only people who cannot make Legend are those who don’t try to, or those who, despite thinking the game is easy, don’t fully understand it.

    MMR and a lot of RNG are good ways to jeep everything close to 50/50, you don’t need to rig games. However, to reiterate, Blizzard MAY be doing that. It hasn’t been proven or disproven. Your claims that people cannot make Legend without the game rigging it for them has been disproven countless times however. You could even disprove it yourself if you dropped the act and put some time into really learning how to optimally play the game.

     

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    posted a message on F2P Lives Matter too...
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    On a casual level, yes, f2p players have the possibility of reaching legend. But if they want to go competitive? Not really. Classes rotate in power levels, so just having a few classes you collect for means there will be seasons in which you cannot compete in open cups. You also cannot experiment with all top meta decks to understand how to play them, or play against them. On top of that, you need a subscription to hsreplay premium to understand the meta, winrates and mulligans. So yeah, don't tell me that having to sink endless hours in arena runs just so you can play standard without getting mopped is right. Also, saying that all card games are expensive and "you know what you get yourself into" is a poor argument, it does not make it right to pay the value of 2 triple a games every 4 months to keep up with the meta. There are other games that do not punish you for not paying. And yes, every voice counts, be it from a f2p player or the fattest whale in the ocean. By using their service and contributing to the player pool, everyone has the right to criticize it. Don't tell people they cannot complain just because you spent more than them.

    You don't need to spend the amount of 2 triple aaa games, man stop lying, it doesn't make your point seem more sound, it's transparent as fuck and just makes everything you say lack credibility.

     Honestly I've never seen another (non political) forum that comes close to HearthPwn for this, it's actually pretty intriguing.

    In most cases when someone lies, or tries to misguide people, they do so in an obfuscating way. On HearthPwn however, posters, on a regular basis, just flat out make absurd, objectively false, and easily debunked statements. Then despite other posters showing them clear and verifiable evidence that what they are saying is 100% fabricated, they just ignore it and repeat what they were saying anyway.

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    posted a message on Group therapy! Need to blow off steam? Mega salty? Here is the place! V2
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    Made it to Diamond 5 and decided to try some of the flavor of the month decks. Go to Hearthstone Top Decks and see that face hunter is the latest cancer deck. OK. Copy, paste, play. Lose 9 in a row then win one, lose one. Perfect counter deck after perfect counter deck.

    Let's try deathrattle demon hunter. Lose 8 out of 9. All perfect counter decks.

    Tell me more about the randomness of Hearthstone. 

     And of course non of this has anything to do with you just being bad at the game and piloting decks you haven’t played before and don’t know how to play lol, it’s all a conspiracy.

    Seriously, there are other digital card games out there, ditch the one that is making your life so miserable and play another instead.

    Or at the very least install a deck tracker and post up the links to your match replays. It could be really eye opening to see how unlucky you really are. I mean you obviously play the game optimally and only lose due to Blizzard fixing your matches so you wouldn’t have anything to be embarrassed about would you?


    [F2P] Rank 50 - Legend in 15:12 hours - General Discussion - Hearthstone General - HearthPwn Forums - HearthPwn

    Also just saw this in another thread lol

    Here you are, slaving on ladder day after day. Diamond 5 bemoaning rigged RNG. 

    Meanwhile some guy is flying to Legend in half of a day on a F2P account. Be more like Rich_Piana in life.

     I have all gold heroes, three with 1,000+ wins but I don't know how to play face hunter. Brilliant analysis. 

     So you play the game an insane amount and are still bad. What point are you trying to even prove here?

    Why don’t you just play a few games of face hunter with HDT installed and post the links to the replays? You post a lot of ‘facts’ and you could really validate them if you did that. 

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    posted a message on Group therapy! Need to blow off steam? Mega salty? Here is the place! V2

    I don’t think me posting very occasionally on a forum constitutes a hobby, but whatever, this doesn’t seem to be your forte, ‘brah’.

    You are actively putting what appears to be a fair chunk of time into a game you claim is completely rigged. That seems like a genuinely insane thing to do. There are other digital card games out there and maybe one of then can offer you some actual enjoyment.

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    posted a message on Group therapy! Need to blow off steam? Mega salty? Here is the place! V2
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    Call this what you want, but I have a curse when it comes to RNG in this game. I'm not losing my mind, this is for real.

    In all of my 3 years playing this game I actually cannot recall getting "the nuts." At the very best I get mediocre hands. I'm not saying this happens every single time, but this happens so much I cannot stress this enough.

    Meanwhile, my opponent always has the nuts. Every single game is a struggle, honestly. I have actually broke down in tears at how unlucky I can be, it us really soul crushing,and everytime I get so close to winning my opponent mounts the most epic come back. This happens no matter which format I'm in..I just cannot ladder up not because I'm bad I don't think I'm great at spotting certain things but I know enough and I try my hardest...

    Arena is really weird for me. If I draft a really good deck, I do poorly because my opponent just gets the nuts, and when I draft at least a mediocre deck it does surprisingly well.

    TD;LR I have literally the worst luck imaginable when it comes to this game. I'm sorry I said alot but I just had to get this off my chest. Maybe it'll make me feel better if some of you share my experience...but least to say I think it's time I hung up my hat on this game. My luck has officially run out.

     Have you tried using mulligan guides? HSReplay premium is good as you can check the WR of cards with and without the coin and against each class at specific ranks.

    Due to how linear Hearthstone is most game will be won and lost in the mulligan. You will probably be surprised by which cards should be kept or tossed.

    If you follow a good guide for a strong deck there’s no reason you won’t climb. 

     The illusion of strategy was removed with the creation of ZTG. 

     I don’t care about your conspiracies. Crack on and moan about being bad at the simplest card game on the market in your own time, Darksun200 seemed to want advice.

    ZTG is also an awful example, it’s the single most skill intensive card in the game.

    And I don't care about your fantasies of skill still being a part of this game. If you want to believe more power to you. I'm not one to go around telling kids in line to see Santa that it's just a guy in a suit.

    Oops! I hope I didn't ruin that for you as well!

     Skill?  In Hearthstone?  Maybe in Bronze it has something to do with game outcomes, sometimes.  But once you get to anywhere near Platinum or especially Diamond..... it is 100% purely based on matchup and draw luck.  The decks are too cancerous and brain-dead at those levels.  There are NO misplays.  You cant misplay when you dont  get the fucking cards you need.  Or your opponent barfs their hand on board with 40/40 worth of stats every turn.  Its way too polarizing.  I should know.  Im "stuck" at the D2/D3 level because I refuse to play cancer decks. so, I win the good matchups and always lose the bad ones. 

    Skill my ass.  People just say that top make themselves feel better and to remove guilt about getting legend with totally broken and brain-dead decks.  Please.  We're not fooled there, big champ.  Idiots.

     You’re bad at the simplest card game out there and you’re making up excuses for why. Grow up.

     You go from talking about the most skill intensive cards to describing it as the simplest card game out there. Nice flip flop. 

     Those two things are not contradictory. Regardless of the skill level of the game there will always be a card which has a higher skill cap.

    I can see why you having so much trouble understanding how RNG works.

     Apparently you have no understanding of probability. If you did you wouldn't be talking about anything being random in this game. Even if you have never had a single class all it takes is casual observance to recognize that the entire game defies probability. I get that you really want to believe that you are good at something and if that helps you get through the day then I say run with it. Just don't come here trying to sell your delusion. 

     Nah you’re completely wrong again, sorry. I’m not good at Hearthstone. I was a bog standard Diamond 5 meme deck player, I no longer play the game because I recognised that it wasn’t enjoyable to me due to many factors, the heavy reliance on curving out and RNG being a couple of the problems.

    If you genuinely believe what you claim then the fact you still play the game speaks volumes of you as a person. Seriously just find a new hobby.

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    posted a message on Archdruid Naralex's RNG is Rigged?

    That's strange because me and my friend carried out the same experiment, I'm currently on a 118 streak of Felmaw hitting a minion. which is odd because in 89 of those cases there wasn't even another minion on board.

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    posted a message on Archdruid Naralex's RNG is Rigged?

    Well the messenger in this case is misinterpreting the message, so yes, shoot the messenger.

    I would consider myself a fairly rational person, and I’ve said multiple times on this forum how I wouldn’t be surprised in the slightest if Blizzard were manipulating things to the detriment of gameplay in order to increase the profitability of the game. I don’t trust game publishers, and I certainly don’t trust Activision.

    With that said, every time you or one of your crew come into a thread with you tails in the air, posting ‘evidence’ and ‘facts’ I can’t help but weep for humanity. You have never once posted ANYTHING which actually proves, or even heavily implies what you are claiming.

    In Mathematical tests the main points are given for those who can show their working out, regardless of whether they get the answer correct or not. You score a zero for your working out. You may be right however, Blizzard MAY be rigging the game. Maybe.

    If you want people to take what you are saying seriously then I think you need to go back to the drawing board. Read your ‘evidence’ carefully and understand it, understand what conclusions you can draw from it and then figure out what statements can be conclusively made. Your final message won’t be as definitive you want it to be but it won’t be riddled with holes either.

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