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This is so bad. 1000 gold? Average winrate will be around 4 to 5 wins in which the reward is just...bad. It's really not worth it till you get to 7 wins or so. 1000 gold is not easy price to pay too. Even in arena, you pay 150 gold and get a pack. If you're unlucky, get bad RNGs and lose 3 times in a row, you get 1 pack for 1000 gold. This is f   ed up.

 Average winrate will be 3.

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Fucking evolve Shaman. Worst archetype ever. "Play garbage cards and then hope RNG turns them into a good card!!!"

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The biggest part about this card I see is that unlike Bomb Lobber, the minion it hits is NOT random, you can target it, which makes it so much stronger. there are so many good targets being played right now, Azure Drake, Thing from Below, Malkorok, Sylvanas Windrunner Fire Elemental Savannah Highmane, Baron Geddon. I don't care much for the deathrattle, Health is a resource, The only point of health that matters is the last.

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I'd love too see official stats on the number of players playing this week vs the average tavern brawl, too bad that's never gonna happen. 

 Well obviously there'll be significantly fewer people. Not many people have gold to spare. That doesn't mean the brawl os a failure. In fact, quite the opposite. This Brawl is clearly meant to cater to more experienced players who want a higher stakes experience and good ridance! As Reynad said, almost everything gameplay related that's been added since release has catered to casual players which make up the majority of the player base. I think its great that they're finally throwing higher level players a bone for once and people who are complaining about this brawl being unfair or too expensive are just being childish.

 The problem is that they take a hugely popular mode to run it. If they added a tournament mode alongside the regular tavern brawl this week most of the negativity would disappear. 

 It's a test bed for that exact thing. If you weren't so pointlessly angry you would see that. Like 1 Tavern Brawl means a damn thing lol.

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I'd love too see official stats on the number of players playing this week vs the average tavern brawl, too bad that's never gonna happen. 

 Well obviously there'll be significantly fewer people. Not many people have gold to spare. That doesn't mean the brawl os a failure. In fact, quite the opposite. This Brawl is clearly meant to cater to more experienced players who want a higher stakes experience and good ridance! As Reynad said, almost everything gameplay related that's been added since release has catered to casual players which make up the majority of the player base. I think its great that they're finally throwing higher level players a bone for once and people who are complaining about this brawl being unfair or too expensive are just being childish.

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Guys, if you want to play reno after rotation play wild 

Imho there shouldnt be a core set for standard cycles. cards like mana wyrm, azure drake, wrath, swipe or whatever will be played FOR EVER in standard.

A rotating core set with reprints is a good idea but most cards in classic set are just way too good and standard will feel always same.

Its the same ... but different

Quote from Bellumvinco >>

While I don't believe Reno Jackson should be moved into the Classic set, I do believe they should have a Core set of cards instead of a Classic set, opening the door for it to one day pop back into and out of Standard over the years to come.

No. Develop new cards to fit the archetype, like Blizzard is doing. 

People seem to think that no Reno will mean that archetype will go away. But with two expansions (one of which includes multiple cards for the archetype) before Reno goes away from standard there is tons of space to add new cards keeping the archetype without Reno.  

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For the people saying it is bad, just wait until your Ragnaros gets polymorphed on turn 8.  A late secret drop is not going to be tested if you have a ten mana card unless you put off playing the card for another turn.

 

Quote from MSG7 >>

This is a mediocre and boring card. I don't like its effect at all and it's very weak compared to other highlander condition cards.

Quote from Scarthcaroth >>

I don't get why so many people think this is bad just because there are options to play around it, like sure, you can play around pretty much most if not every card in the game in some form, no card is without any weakness yet those weaknesses don't make them bad, they make them balanced.

Of course this card is very meta dependent, if you got many Zoo/Aggro type decks running around, decks that swarm the field with tokens or lots of small guys then yeah this is unlikely to see much if any play. But the more control decks and the more combo decks are running around, decks with high value minions, deathrattles, high stats or that are integral to their win condition. Heck even against Anyfin Paladin this is good even if you "only" poly a 3/3 or 2/1. But against those decks it's basically a 3 mana polymorph and I think we all agree that that would be a very good card.

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The manawyrm vs babbling book comparison ended up not mattering because there was plenty of space for two one drops, and book had good value later in the game too (potentially even in top deck mode as a chance for an extra good spell). Is there room for a third turn one card? And is saving two mana useful enough later in the game? This card may be better than book in the mid game but falls off again as your mana pool increases. 

The valet thing is great, but it is a two card turn one combo requiring a turn two play on top. Do the secrets have enough value to be played after this card is burned? And does the combo gain that much over manawyrm into frostbolt or missiles or other cards? Many secrets could also be popped before you can valet so you can't rely on it unless it is something like ice block. 

A great card card in a secret based deck but is a secret based deck viable?

 I'm just saying that its very easy for this card to get out of control. Cards like that shouldn't be so easily dismissed as bad. We saw the same with Barnes.

The manawyrm vs babbling book comparison ended up not mattering because there was plenty of space for two one drops, and book had good value later in the game too (potentially even in top deck mode as a chance for an extra good spell). Is there room for a third turn one card? And is saving two mana useful enough later in the game? This card may be better than book in the mid game but falls off again as your mana pool increases. 

The valet thing is great, but it is a two card turn one combo requiring a turn two play on top. Do the secrets have enough value to be played after this card is burned? And does the combo gain that much over manawyrm into frostbolt or missiles or other cards? Many secrets could also be popped before you can valet so you can't rely on it unless it is something like ice block. 

A great card card in a secret based deck but is a secret based deck viable?

IT MAY have some limited use, but without something else I don't see it likely to be good or common. A 1 mana 2-1 is good but less useful to a Mage where a 1 attack creature can take out a 2 health minion (and get a spell) and wyrms can normally take out 3 health minions and survive. I believe the manawyrm and book will still be better most of the time. The time it shines requires a three card combo and every extra secret you add to make the combo more likely is a not very good card in your deck  

THE playing a secret for free is nice but not amazing. Mysterious challenger and mad scientist were good because they pulled cards from your deck. Pulling cards from your hand would have made them far worse. So unless the remaining cards push a heavy secret archetype I don't see it being good enough to be common. 

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Minion itself has no board impact and has mediocre stats.

Refreshing your mana counts only when you have something to do with it, so double Innervate into this won't probably do much good. I think this card has to be backed up with good draw to be something more than gimmick