You get a 5/4, with +1 spell power. You pay 7 mana to get a 9 mana discount, You draw 3 cards of a SPECIFIC type that might even benefit from the spell power. And the base card is better than some other ones.
You're crazy.
You forget to mention, You are only getting the discount IF THEY ARE IN YOUR DECK
So if it is your last card it is bad, If you have no spells left it is bad, if you draw spells you don't really want to combo with it is bad
Again, I really think you need to look at this in the context of the other Primes:
Msshi'fin: Nobody's playing this. Druid either goes Big or Spell. Msshi'fin doesn't fit in with either.
Zixor: Is awesome! ...When you get him from an Exotic Mountseller. No Hunter decks are running Exotic Mountseller.
Solarian: What does Highlander Mage do that Spell Mage can't? Not much. In fact, I don't even like seeing this card generated in Spell Mage because I always get worried about it turning off my Apexis Blast... (providing the Albatross didn't do that already)
Murgurgle: Well hey, it's an auto-include in any Paladin deck! ...Paladin blows chunks right now and can't compete on the aggro or control side.
Reliquary of Souls: In theory a good card, kind of a meme in practice. It just doesn't fit into any viable Priest deck. And you don't want to res it, honestly.
Akama: Not terrible, but Stealth Rogue is outclassed by Galakrond Rogue. And Galakrond Rogue can run better cards than this. So, again, doesn't see much play because it's outclassed.
Ebonlocke: Sure, he's a Quest Warlock staple. Quest Warlock sucks and is vastly inferior to Galakrond Warlock, the deck of choice right now.
Kargath: In the same boat as Murgurgle. Sure, he goes into every Warrior deck. Warrior ain't doing much better than Paladin. Sure, they have decks, at least in theory, but I didn't see a single Warrior deck on the most recent tier list I've seen. And mind you, Pure and Libram Paladin made Tier 4. Before any Warrior deck. Somehow!
Vashj: Has a theorycraft OTK deck that doesn't actually work in practice.
...So, again, why are we only singling out Vashj here? "A theorycraft deck that doesn't actually work" is how I could sum up pretty much any other one of the Prime cards.
As the others are better designed regardless of how much they are played. Like yeah most of them arent played, but if you add one to your deck its a pretty decent card. However, getting Vashji is much worse than the others as its 100% on what is in your deck. like adding Akama even if rogue does not use it atm lots, still is a decent card and the prime is good enough, where as Vasji is mediocre as a normal card and 100% based on RNG as a prime.
Basically Vashj will suck until blizzard gives it support where the others are decent/ok and can get better over time.
I do agree with what you’re saying but I would wait for more cards to come out from the other sets this year, shudderwock when it first came out was a good deck for the first few days of witchwood launch then it became bad, then shudderwock became a really big and annoying card when galakrond shaman was a thing.
If you look at the fundamentals vashj is a 3 mana 4/3 with spell damage that shuffles a skull of gul’dan into the deck on a 7 mana 5/4 body that also give 1 spell damage. You’re paying one more mana for stats and spell damage, which can be better as more cards come out
thanks, i do agree thinking about it that it could change in the next year or so, but just sucks that out of all the classes it has a really weak effect compared to all the others primes which all seem just alot stronger automatically.
however look at the warlock prime a 2 mana 3/2 which makes your demons cost 1 less and then shuffles a mini bloodreaver Guldan into your deck with a 6 mana 7/6 summon 3 demons that have died. that card is only going to get better and is already played in alot of control warlock decks.
i think it may get better next set if there are some powerful spells
it's because of the restricted card pool and lack of card draw, give it time. The card has huge potential and it will be around for another year or more don't go full "game designer" because you are not one.
I think you kind of missed the whole point of the post. i never said it was never going to be good, i just simply stated the fact its the worse designed prime out of 9 of them. You even said restricted card pool and lack of card draw makes the card unplayable almost now, which agrees with nearly everything i said.
but i agree it could all change in the next expansion if they print better spell support.
Lady Vashj is by far the weakness designed prime card of ashes of outland. There is many reasons why this is the case:
1: Weakness stats for a prime when it comes back
Every other prime comes back either with the same stats or better. However, Lady Vashj comes back as a 7 mana 5/4 which is really weak compared to her effect. Look at Kargath Bladefist as an example who comes back as a 8 mana 10/10 with rush which can gain you 10 extra life. The theme with most of the primes are they come back with good effects and reasonable stats and Vashj Prime is the only one who comes back much weaker than its original form in compassion to its effect.
2: Only Prime which relies on other cards being in your deck
Look at Kargath Bladefist, Akama, Murgur Murgurgle, Reliquary of Souls etc. They all come back with a strong body and the cards make a threat on the board regardless of what you have left in your deck. Either thats a huge rush card, summoning murlocs or being always Stealth preparing to hit your in the face. However, you have to relie on what spells you have left to make Vashj Prime actually good. If you draw it too late or its dies too late then you will just automatically just have a useless prime.
3: Support cards that were printed are awkward and dont actually support the archetype
Spell Shaman feels like a much weaker elemental shaman, trying to desperately keep the chain of spells going. Apart from Shattered Rumbler [/card] which i think it good enough to fit into decks running certain spells, a spell shaman with [card]Torrent and Marshspawn feel really weak and difficult to pull off. The whole deck relies really on the weapon The Fist of Ra-den more than the other two cards to make spell shaman good and Vashj Prime has zero synergy with the deck as why do you want to make your spells cheaper? you rather keep expensive spells late game in hopes of getting bigger legendaries of the weapon.
4: Spell Shaman has no win condition and Lady Vashj makes the deck weaker
Lady Vashjis a good minion as a 4/3 with spell damage, however Vashj Prime is almost the reason you dont want to put Lady Vashj in your deck. it cant fit into a normal shaman as it needs to really fit into a deck with enough spells to justify running it and that deck currently has no win condition. Vashj Prime is not a win condition and barely a support card. Unlike all the other primes being good in decks that already exist or have been made, Lady Vashj is out of place.
You forget to mention, You are only getting the discount IF THEY ARE IN YOUR DECK
So if it is your last card it is bad, If you have no spells left it is bad, if you draw spells you don't really want to combo with it is bad
As the others are better designed regardless of how much they are played. Like yeah most of them arent played, but if you add one to your deck its a pretty decent card. However, getting Vashji is much worse than the others as its 100% on what is in your deck. like adding Akama even if rogue does not use it atm lots, still is a decent card and the prime is good enough, where as Vasji is mediocre as a normal card and 100% based on RNG as a prime.
Basically Vashj will suck until blizzard gives it support where the others are decent/ok and can get better over time.
thanks, i do agree thinking about it that it could change in the next year or so, but just sucks that out of all the classes it has a really weak effect compared to all the others primes which all seem just alot stronger automatically.
however look at the warlock prime a 2 mana 3/2 which makes your demons cost 1 less and then shuffles a mini bloodreaver Guldan into your deck with a 6 mana 7/6 summon 3 demons that have died. that card is only going to get better and is already played in alot of control warlock decks.
i think it may get better next set if there are some powerful spells
I think you kind of missed the whole point of the post. i never said it was never going to be good, i just simply stated the fact its the worse designed prime out of 9 of them. You even said restricted card pool and lack of card draw makes the card unplayable almost now, which agrees with nearly everything i said.
but i agree it could all change in the next expansion if they print better spell support.
Lady Vashj is by far the weakness designed prime card of ashes of outland. There is many reasons why this is the case:
1: Weakness stats for a prime when it comes back
Every other prime comes back either with the same stats or better. However, Lady Vashj comes back as a 7 mana 5/4 which is really weak compared to her effect. Look at Kargath Bladefist as an example who comes back as a 8 mana 10/10 with rush which can gain you 10 extra life. The theme with most of the primes are they come back with good effects and reasonable stats and Vashj Prime is the only one who comes back much weaker than its original form in compassion to its effect.
2: Only Prime which relies on other cards being in your deck
Look at Kargath Bladefist, Akama, Murgur Murgurgle, Reliquary of Souls etc. They all come back with a strong body and the cards make a threat on the board regardless of what you have left in your deck. Either thats a huge rush card, summoning murlocs or being always Stealth preparing to hit your in the face. However, you have to relie on what spells you have left to make Vashj Prime actually good. If you draw it too late or its dies too late then you will just automatically just have a useless prime.
3: Support cards that were printed are awkward and dont actually support the archetype
Spell Shaman feels like a much weaker elemental shaman, trying to desperately keep the chain of spells going. Apart from Shattered Rumbler [/card] which i think it good enough to fit into decks running certain spells, a spell shaman with [card]Torrent and Marshspawn feel really weak and difficult to pull off. The whole deck relies really on the weapon The Fist of Ra-den more than the other two cards to make spell shaman good and Vashj Prime has zero synergy with the deck as why do you want to make your spells cheaper? you rather keep expensive spells late game in hopes of getting bigger legendaries of the weapon.
4: Spell Shaman has no win condition and Lady Vashj makes the deck weaker
Lady Vashj is a good minion as a 4/3 with spell damage, however Vashj Prime is almost the reason you dont want to put Lady Vashj in your deck. it cant fit into a normal shaman as it needs to really fit into a deck with enough spells to justify running it and that deck currently has no win condition. Vashj Prime is not a win condition and barely a support card. Unlike all the other primes being good in decks that already exist or have been made, Lady Vashj is out of place.