I was on Amnesiac stream for few minutes this morning and first thing I heard him talk about was how garbage the N/A reps are except Frozen. Players that went 9-1 in pro infested field and the one he says doesn't know how to play HS is the only person in the history of game went 9-0 before losing in the finals. The way he was talking your only good if your well known pro. I wonder if other pros think this or is he just poor loser and or too young to be more mature.
You can't just tell someones opinion on something by "the way he was talking". Personally i don't know anything about amnesiac so i'm not going to say much but look into it more before creating a post based off your opinion and point of view.
I Know all the players.......in question and watch the HCT tournments and Bizzcon......and watch streams.....so I that is my opinion. That he is a poor loser.
But then again I probably did at times when I was 16 too, it's just YouTube, Facebook etc didn't exist then so I got away with it. I'm sure he'll look back at his antics in 5 years time and be pretty ashamed of them. Having "fame" when you're that old, before you're experienced enough to put things in perspective and stay grounded is probably a bad thing.
He can be a jerk, but in his defense after what happened in his match against Pavel in the world championship I would have been salty as hell too. I watched the match on stream, and I still can't believe the amount of RNG luck Pavel had in the last 4 games when he made his comeback.
In regard to the performance of players I must admit that I saw rather questionable plays from Jikiniki / Docpwn in some games I watched them. I heard that Tarei did some misplays during top 8. Yet I think seeing him one year ago in a major HCT tournament he has the potential to consistently be around the top spots. It's more of a stage / nerve thing for him.
To Amnesiac: I didn't see him play this we, so unfortunately I can't tell if his plays were on spot. Yet a good looser should at least first point out his mistakes and then rant about other misplays. And before that this random Thijs rant in combination with a rant about Pavel doing misplays etc.pp. But well he is 16, one should be very aware of that.
I can't recall every play, but I seem to remember Jikininiki playing pretty flawlessly.
But then again I probably did at times when I was 16 too, it's just YouTube, Facebook etc didn't exist then so I got away with it. I'm sure he'll look back at his antics in 5 years time and be pretty ashamed of them. Having "fame" when you're that old, before you're experienced enough to put things in perspective and stay grounded is probably a bad thing.
And at times he's actually one of the classier players, especially if you look at how he handled the loss to Pavel last year at Blizzcon extremely gracefully. I haven't watched the rants (nor do I really care to, salty streamers irritate me), but there's a little bit of truth in what he's saying from the pieces I've gathered.
The recent Pavel rant was due to poor ban choices and poor play I think? And in this case I actually don't think we had the strongest showing in the top 8, regardless of known or unknown players being present; DocPwn for instance seemed out of place at 2nd place after a number of poor plays on his part. I can understand how both of these might be pretty frustrating from the perspective of a competitive player.
That being said, I think he blows things out of proportions and I don't really feel bad for him not making it to the Winter Championship; I'm just hoping NA doesn't get slaughtered. :P
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I can't recall every play, but I seem to remember Jikininiki playing pretty flawlessly.
From what I saw, DrJinkininki completely earned first place. DocPwn and Tarei were shaky (and it could have been nerves, they did extremely well in the Swiss bracket), but I don't really think it warrants lambasting them and looking like a sore loser.
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It's certainly possible he might have made misplays though, I didn't catch all of the Swiss matches so it's possible you saw parts I didn't. Overall I think if you play well in the Top 8 you probably deserve to be there so it's still annoying to see Amnesiac limit the only deserving player to Frozen.
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But then again I probably did at times when I was 16 too, it's just YouTube, Facebook etc didn't exist then so I got away with it. I'm sure he'll look back at his antics in 5 years time and be pretty ashamed of them. Having "fame" when you're that old, before you're experienced enough to put things in perspective and stay grounded is probably a bad thing.
And at times he's actually one of the classier players, especially if you look at how he handled the loss to Pavel last year at Blizzcon extremely gracefully.
Yeah when you're in the public eye, the line between 'nice guy' and 'douchebag' can be pretty thin, especially when your at an age where hormones are at a high and you're still growing as a person. I think it's quite likely that after the Worlds, someone had a quiet word in his ear. Maybe a family member, maybe a pro he respected, maybe even a Blizzard employee and said something like "gee, really bad luck kid, you must want to scream right now. But just remember when you do your interview the whole Hearthstone world is watching, including the people who may one day watch your stream and pay your salary, so try to stay classy". And he probably held it together for five minutes, then went back to his hotel room and punched the wall until his knuckles bled.
But that person, whoever they are, won't be there to whisper in his ear every time he is at a tournament, let alone when he's sitting at home with Twitter open or whatever. And even if they were, maybe another three months of thousands of barns telling him how great he is means he wouldn't listen to them any more anyway. And then the 16-year-old will take over.
@DropDeadCynical; I don't know, I think the Blizzcon thing was genuinely him acting properly sportsmanlike about the whole thing, and hours after the match he was telling people to lay off about the idea RNG carried Pavel through the match when it wasn't the case (it's been analyzed to death, basically RNG was good/bad pretty evenly for both of them). He's also straight up dropped tournaments with cash on the line to do something like attend his sister's graduation, so I actually think he's probably a good kid.
That being said, there's a mix of a lot of things going on that probably bring out the salt; we have a relatively unsatisfying meta from a competitive standpoint, we have instances of Top 8's being populated with "bad" players, and we have the world champion from last year playing sub-optimally. I don't think this is the constructive way to deal with it, but I think this isn't just a simple matter of him being a teenager as much as the fact any one of the horrifically salty posters on this forum would do the exact same thing but don't have any exposure. Personally I find that kind of attitude irritating enough to simply just ignore any content he produces, but overall this doesn't seem like anything more noteworthy than a normal salty rant.
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I was on Amnesiac stream for few minutes this morning and first thing I heard him talk about was how garbage the N/A reps are except Frozen. Players that went 9-1 in pro infested field and the one he says doesn't know how to play HS is the only person in the history of game went 9-0 before losing in the finals. The way he was talking your only good if your well known pro. I wonder if other pros think this or is he just poor loser and or too young to be more mature.
I've def lost respect for Amnesiac since his rant on Pavel...
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You can't just tell someones opinion on something by "the way he was talking". Personally i don't know anything about amnesiac so i'm not going to say much but look into it more before creating a post based off your opinion and point of view.
I Know all the players.......in question and watch the HCT tournments and Bizzcon......and watch streams.....so I that is my opinion. That he is a poor loser.
Amnesiac acts like a massive tool.
But then again I probably did at times when I was 16 too, it's just YouTube, Facebook etc didn't exist then so I got away with it. I'm sure he'll look back at his antics in 5 years time and be pretty ashamed of them. Having "fame" when you're that old, before you're experienced enough to put things in perspective and stay grounded is probably a bad thing.
The only cancer in Hearthstone is its community.
He's a teenager; he's not going to act like an adult all the time. He's got to be under a lot of pressure between home, school & HS lives.
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he is 16 and his ego is tied to a children's card game where the best players go 65-70%, I don't envy him
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He can be a jerk, but in his defense after what happened in his match against Pavel in the world championship I would have been salty as hell too. I watched the match on stream, and I still can't believe the amount of RNG luck Pavel had in the last 4 games when he made his comeback.
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It's certainly possible he might have made misplays though, I didn't catch all of the Swiss matches so it's possible you saw parts I didn't. Overall I think if you play well in the Top 8 you probably deserve to be there so it's still annoying to see Amnesiac limit the only deserving player to Frozen.
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@DropDeadCynical; I don't know, I think the Blizzcon thing was genuinely him acting properly sportsmanlike about the whole thing, and hours after the match he was telling people to lay off about the idea RNG carried Pavel through the match when it wasn't the case (it's been analyzed to death, basically RNG was good/bad pretty evenly for both of them). He's also straight up dropped tournaments with cash on the line to do something like attend his sister's graduation, so I actually think he's probably a good kid.
That being said, there's a mix of a lot of things going on that probably bring out the salt; we have a relatively unsatisfying meta from a competitive standpoint, we have instances of Top 8's being populated with "bad" players, and we have the world champion from last year playing sub-optimally. I don't think this is the constructive way to deal with it, but I think this isn't just a simple matter of him being a teenager as much as the fact any one of the horrifically salty posters on this forum would do the exact same thing but don't have any exposure. Personally I find that kind of attitude irritating enough to simply just ignore any content he produces, but overall this doesn't seem like anything more noteworthy than a normal salty rant.
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