I'd rather ask myself whether or not its ethically defensible to not BM them in any kind of way, be it roping, slow-BM-ing or emote spamming.
Sure. I'd add a few more questions. Do you tend to accept friend requests while playing Secret Paladin? If the answer is no, is it because you expect to receive an obnoxious message? Do you expect to receive that message because you are aware that you are playing a deck that very few people enjoy playing against? (Since I'm a bit lazy, I'll just reproduce my response to the previous comment.) I think it is a version of the tragedy of the commons (The tragedy of the commons is a term, probably coined by William Forster Lloyd and later used by Garrett Hardin, to denote a situation where individuals acting independently and rationally according to each other's self-interest behave contrary to the best interests of the whole by depleting some common resource. Wikipedia). If your goal is to win as much as possible, it is obviously a perfectly rational decision to play the strongest deck. However, when there are large numbers of people collectively making that rational decision the result is a less diverse meta which leads to less enjoyment for many players. I base this on the amount of comments I have seen complaining about Secret Pally (or Undertaker Hunter etc). My original questions were meant to figure out whether people were trying to disincentive a rational, but also somewhat harmful decision.
So to conclude my point, even though I am generally all for light hearted trolling on hearthstone and other games(ie BMing, one or two emotes before a kill or anything that doesn't actually harm you opponent in any way), I think roping specifically with the purpose of making your opponent waste his time is a pretty lame thing to do. It is completely fine if you take as much time as you see fit to decide your lines of play, but if you are actually just wasting your own time just to also waste your opponent's, you should likely be doing something more productive in your free time.
This is coming from someone who hates SP with a passion by the way.
Being that someone mentioned philosophy and given that there are conditions not given in the original post let's elaborate XD
Just because they are playing the deck: No.
If they are bm'ing, hell yeah. Netflix goes up and the game window moves to the left side so I can see when the rope starts and I can end my turn at the last second. If you are a d**k expect a d**k back.
"Every action has an equal and opposite reaction".
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As a control player, this is welcome. It gives me more time to analyze. If you really want to hurt me play fast and shorten my time to react and study possible cards I play. Just saying. My mind is already settled to play 2-3 games that night, I don't care how long they take.
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So to conclude my point, even though I am generally all for light hearted trolling on hearthstone and other games(ie BMing, one or two emotes before a kill or anything that doesn't actually harm you opponent in any way), I think roping specifically with the purpose of making your opponent waste his time is a pretty lame thing to do. It is completely fine if you take as much time as you see fit to decide your lines of play, but if you are actually just wasting your own time just to also waste your opponent's, you should likely be doing something more productive in your free time.
This is coming from someone who hates SP with a passion by the way.
Given that there are 30 million Hearthstone players, I agree that all types of BM tend to be futile and self-punishing. But, if it were the case that whenever a deck was widely considered to be unfair/un-fun, players of that deck could expect to be roped consistently, would such behavior end up being an acceptable method of community policing to ensure that a diverse (fun?) meta is the norm not the exception? See my reply above re: the tragedy of the commons. In real life, I expect that this behavior is driven mostly by the desire to make others 'feel your misery (retribution).' I am not in favor of this sort of punishment for punishment's sake. Most of the responses to my questions have claimed that intentional roping is always a bad thing to do. Very few of those responses have considered whether making the rational decision to play 'the strongest deck' has serious repercussions when huge numbers of players make that decision all at once.
You hardly need a background in philosophy to figure out that treating people like scumbags is a bad thing.
This is simply the result of dominant strategy, and it's called that for a reason. You can hardly fault people for playing what they concieve to be the strongest deck when the game rewards them for it. That's still not reason enough to be a douche though.
Well said. Although my blood sometimes do boil when I meet stupid decks (especially face hunters; which I consider uninteractive and just unfun in general), I can't really blame the people playing such decks for exactly that reason - Blizzard has made it dominant strategy. If you want to win, playing good/OP decks is a good idea. I do however blame Blizzard (a lot) for allowing such uninteractive/auto-pilot-style decks to be dominant -- they should use the nerf-gun more actively. Punish retard strategies - reward thinking. Bots are playing secret paladins on autopilot all day and is having a win-rate above 50%. That says a lot. There is no interaction or mind games involved - just go face until face is dead.
So to conclude my point, even though I am generally all for light hearted trolling on hearthstone and other games(ie BMing, one or two emotes before a kill or anything that doesn't actually harm you opponent in any way), I think roping specifically with the purpose of making your opponent waste his time is a pretty lame thing to do. It is completely fine if you take as much time as you see fit to decide your lines of play, but if you are actually just wasting your own time just to also waste your opponent's, you should likely be doing something more productive in your free time.
This is coming from someone who hates SP with a passion by the way.
Given that there are 30 million Hearthstone players, I agree that all types of BM tend to be futile and self-punishing. But, if it were the case that whenever a deck was widely considered to be unfair/un-fun, players of that deck could expect to be roped consistently, would such behavior end up being an acceptable method of community policing to ensure that a diverse (fun?) meta is the norm not the exception? See my reply above re: the tragedy of the commons. In real life, I expect that this behavior is driven mostly by the desire to make others 'feel your misery (retribution).' I am not in favor of this sort of punishment for punishment's sake. Most of the responses to my questions have claimed that intentional roping is always a bad thing to do. Very few of those responses have considered whether making the rational decision to play 'the strongest deck' has serious repercussions when huge numbers of players make that decision all at once.
This is debatable. I played SP for a while with the sole purpose of knowing the ins and outs of the deck as much as possible so I could play better against it(you can hate the deck all you want, but in tournaments or on higher rankings it will always be there if it is good enough). Other people did it too. And even out of this, even if most people hate the deck that's still a personal thing, and people who like it are free to play it as much as they like. Acting like a douche for the sake of acting like a douche is never an excusable thing to do.
I say this because people have done the same against me when I was playing other commonly hated decks like face hunter or aggro pally and it never gave me any incentive to stop playing, but rather to play them even more and leach wins off people with this mentality.
(well, to some degree, it threatens Control Warrior, but it's not like it would just stomp poor Garrosh upon sight).
Cw is a bad matchup for Secret Paladin imo because it can remove both MCs so easily and then just pretty much automatically win the late game.
Warrior.. win the late game.. vs mid range secret paladin? maybe versus aggro but against mid range warrior is unfavoured.. as long as the paladin player plays for value.. they will outvalue the warrior.. paladins are the worst match up for warriors, as long as you know how to play paladin, most people don't know how to play vs warrior as paladin though(Well most paladin players now are just riding the wave..)
if you are a rope burner, more so if you choose to selective torture certain group of people, you deserve to have your acc stolen, all items in all games deleted, forums filled by terrorirst pedo hatespeech and reported to FBI, then hit by car and being grounded by your mother becouse retarded kids shouldnt be on the internet alone like you just were
Is it ever ok to intentionally create a negative game state for both players because one player decided to play the deck he liked the most? Of course not. It's insane to even think it might be. You'd have to be some kind of narcissist to think that you have the right to try and hurt someone else for doing nothing except playing the game. If there is an onus on the selection of Secret Pally as a deck, the onus isn't on the player, but on the devs for not making a cardset balanced to create more diversity.
To reiterate, roping somebody for playing SP is effectively saying that your play experience is important and theirs is not. They are not allowed to play with a deck they like because it annoys you. If you do that, you need to understand that you're the asshole. If you wore a garish shirt that you loved but your friends all hated, your friends are not right to attack you for doing so.
And in general, roping is never ethical, but it is excusable as a means of countering similar actions from the other player. But being justified is not the same as being just.
FYI: The "you"s mentioned in this post are not referring to anyone in particular, but rather to the type of person in general who thinks it is acceptable behavior.
if you are a rope burner, more so if you choose to selective torture certain group of people, you deserve to have your acc stolen, all items in all games deleted, forums filled by terrorirst pedo hatespeech and reported to FBI, then hit by car and being grounded by your mother becouse retarded kids shouldnt be on the internet alone like you just were
Uhm... chill.
Roping is hardly "torture". At most it's just a nuisance.
If wasting someones time was a crime then the maker of SAO should get lifetime.
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if you are a rope burner, more so if you choose to selective torture certain group of people, you deserve to have your acc stolen, all items in all games deleted, forums filled by terrorirst pedo hatespeech and reported to FBI, then hit by car and being grounded by your mother becouse retarded kids shouldnt be on the internet alone like you just were
if you are a rope burner, more so if you choose to selective torture certain group of people, you deserve to have your acc stolen, all items in all games deleted, forums filled by terrorirst pedo hatespeech and reported to FBI, then hit by car and being grounded by your mother becouse retarded kids shouldnt be on the internet alone like you just were
if you are a rope burner, more so if you choose to selective torture certain group of people, you deserve to have your acc stolen, all items in all games deleted, forums filled by terrorirst pedo hatespeech and reported to FBI, then hit by car and being grounded by your mother becouse retarded kids shouldnt be on the internet alone like you just were
This is a bit far in the other direction tho...
He does have a fair point though, let's turn this thread into what punishment rope burners should have.
I go first: their pubic hairs should be removed, one by one by tongs and then they should receive a small cut on one of their feet and hanged above a water tank filled with sharks with their hands tier behind their backs. Then you let the smell of blood do its thing.
Is it ever ok to intentionally create a negative game state for both players because one player decided to play the deck he liked the most? Of course not. It's insane to even think it might be. You'd have to be some kind of narcissist to think that you have the right to try and hurt someone else for doing nothing except playing the game. If there is an onus on the selection of Secret Pally as a deck, the onus isn't on the player, but on the devs for not making a cardset balanced to create more diversity.
To reiterate, roping somebody for playing SP is effectively saying that your play experience is important and theirs is not. They are not allowed to play with a deck they like because it annoys you. If you do that, you need to understand that you're the asshole. If you wore a garish shirt that you loved but your friends all hated, your friends are not right to attack you for doing so.
And in general, roping is never ethical, but it is excusable as a means of countering similar actions from the other player. But being justified is not the same as being just.
FYI: The "you"s mentioned in this post are not referring to anyone in particular, but rather to the type of person in general who thinks it is acceptable behavior.
Thank you for the FYI at the end. The only issue I have with your reply is the point at which you said "If there is an onus on the selection of Secret Pally as a deck, the onus isn't on the player, but on the devs for not making a cardset balanced to create more diversity." Even then, I think that you are mostly correct. My question to you is whether or not there might be some responsibility that can be placed on the Secret Paladin player? I agree that the individual choice to play the 'strongest deck' is a perfectly acceptable and rational one. However, when large numbers of players make that choice it seems (based on comments on this site and elsewhere) to negatively effect the community's enjoyment of the game (see my previous comments about the tragedy of the commons). If choosing to rope (or BM in general) is bad because you are placing your quality of experience above that of other players, can't the same be said about choosing a deck that you know in advance aggravates a substantial portion of the community? Another way to get at this point might be to ask whether you are less likely to accept friend requests while playing whichever deck is currently considered 'cancerous'? If so, why? Please understand that I am not trying to advocate for roping. It's just that I don't happen to think that the situation is as cut and dried as most people seem to.
I'd be willing to bet that most of the ones moaning abut roping would do so in a heartbeat of a Secret Pally or Aggro Shaman stomped them hard from the off. SO many angels ....
I'd be willing to bet that most of the ones moaning abut roping would do so in a heartbeat of a Secret Pally or Aggro Shaman stomped them hard from the off. SO many angels ....
Nope. I personally just concede as soon as I know I've lost a game, which is what you are supposed to do if you are not retarded and value your free time.
I do BM people quite a lot when I win(in a non offensive or time wasting manner mostly) but I try to come up with more original ways to go about it depending on the state of the game.
Wow, the amount of net decking cry babies in this thread is comical. You guys steal other peoples decks then complain that somebody copied another deck that was stronger than yours and they auto piloted it! Here's an idea, stop net decking and make your own decks with tech cards to beat all those "huntards" or "secret pally's" that you hate so much. There is no balance issue with any deck currently in hearthstone, the problem is ppl lack the creativity to make decks to counter them and just net deck and complain. Every deck is pretty played on "auto pilot", Grim Patron is just as basic to play as Face hunter, you make the same moves each game on the same turn given that you have the needed cards. Stop roping, stop crying, stop net decking and have fun playing the game with your own creations.
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So to conclude my point, even though I am generally all for light hearted trolling on hearthstone and other games(ie BMing, one or two emotes before a kill or anything that doesn't actually harm you opponent in any way), I think roping specifically with the purpose of making your opponent waste his time is a pretty lame thing to do. It is completely fine if you take as much time as you see fit to decide your lines of play, but if you are actually just wasting your own time just to also waste your opponent's, you should likely be doing something more productive in your free time.
This is coming from someone who hates SP with a passion by the way.
No but if they were cocky the whole game (as much as one can be with emotes that is) I'll bm the hell outta them if I win.
Being that someone mentioned philosophy and given that there are conditions not given in the original post let's elaborate XD
Just because they are playing the deck: No.
If they are bm'ing, hell yeah. Netflix goes up and the game window moves to the left side so I can see when the rope starts and I can end my turn at the last second. If you are a d**k expect a d**k back.
"Every action has an equal and opposite reaction".
Great art can never be created without great suffering.
Great art can never be created without great suffering.
if you are a rope burner, more so if you choose to selective torture certain group of people, you deserve to have your acc stolen, all items in all games deleted, forums filled by terrorirst pedo hatespeech and reported to FBI, then hit by car and being grounded by your mother becouse retarded kids shouldnt be on the internet alone like you just were
Is it ever ok to intentionally create a negative game state for both players because one player decided to play the deck he liked the most? Of course not. It's insane to even think it might be. You'd have to be some kind of narcissist to think that you have the right to try and hurt someone else for doing nothing except playing the game. If there is an onus on the selection of Secret Pally as a deck, the onus isn't on the player, but on the devs for not making a cardset balanced to create more diversity.
To reiterate, roping somebody for playing SP is effectively saying that your play experience is important and theirs is not. They are not allowed to play with a deck they like because it annoys you. If you do that, you need to understand that you're the asshole. If you wore a garish shirt that you loved but your friends all hated, your friends are not right to attack you for doing so.
And in general, roping is never ethical, but it is excusable as a means of countering similar actions from the other player. But being justified is not the same as being just.
FYI: The "you"s mentioned in this post are not referring to anyone in particular, but rather to the type of person in general who thinks it is acceptable behavior.
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Uhm... chill.
Roping is hardly "torture". At most it's just a nuisance.
If wasting someones time was a crime then the maker of SAO should get lifetime.
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No. However going to the official forums and explaining to blizzard that releasing imbalanced cards is anti fun is. It's also recommended.
I'd be willing to bet that most of the ones moaning abut roping would do so in a heartbeat of a Secret Pally or Aggro Shaman stomped them hard from the off. SO many angels ....
Wow, the amount of net decking cry babies in this thread is comical. You guys steal other peoples decks then complain that somebody copied another deck that was stronger than yours and they auto piloted it! Here's an idea, stop net decking and make your own decks with tech cards to beat all those "huntards" or "secret pally's" that you hate so much. There is no balance issue with any deck currently in hearthstone, the problem is ppl lack the creativity to make decks to counter them and just net deck and complain. Every deck is pretty played on "auto pilot", Grim Patron is just as basic to play as Face hunter, you make the same moves each game on the same turn given that you have the needed cards. Stop roping, stop crying, stop net decking and have fun playing the game with your own creations.