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There is no third option of GvG Arena, and DUST EVERYTHING. That's what I'm doing now. The Commons/Rares from GvG are few enough that you can play 20-40 arenas and get most of them, dusting them isn't as bad as dusting classic Commons/Rares. I bought the few GvG cards I wanted(which for me was very few since it was a shitty aggro speed based expansion), and everything else goes to dust for Classic Legendary cards. The only thing I won't dust is Boom, still won't play him, but I can get free Legendary when he gets nerfed.

Yeah I want Classic cards, and although the Classic card packs say "best deal for new players", I'm pretty sure it's the worst deal. You get packs/gold/fun from arena at a much faster rate when compared to buying packs. Even if you only average 3 wins, which is pretty easy even for new players just based on RNG, you get the card pack plus extra dust/gold/card, which is usually worth about the 50 extra gold you spent. If you get 4 or more wins you profit.

Really it makes no sense why they don't allow pack choice in arena runs. It really only hurts new players. Older players already have Classic so it doesn't matter what packs are offered to them, but for new players, only getting GvG is really uncool. Arena is more fun, and you get cards faster which is good for new players, but Classic packs are what many want. For a while I just bought packs and didn't play any arena. So unfun I almost quit the game. Arena, atleast for me, makes the game so much better, and more fun. Forcing new players to choose between 2 bad options is no good. Allow pack choice.

I can certainly appreciate F2P, but what you've outlined takes a tremendous time commitment. I know some people prefer not to spend real money on Hearth, but at what point does your time > money? I understand daily quests, but playing enough to earn 100G daily is a huge time drain. I don't know about you but it isn't even fun for me at that point when this feels like too much of a grind/job. Which leads me to my real question... If people have hours on hours every day to farm gold, why not get a part time job? Not necessarily directed at you, just a general thought. Streamers are in a different situation, but I know plenty of people who play 8 hours a day just grinding away and I just can't grasp how that's fun or worthwhile.

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I can certainly appreciate F2P, but what you've outlined takes a tremendous time commitment. I know some people prefer not to spend real money on Hearth, but at what point does your time > money? I understand daily quests, but playing enough to earn 100G daily is a huge time drain. I don't know about you but it isn't even fun for me at that point when this feels like too much of a grind/job. Which leads me to my real question... If people have hours on hours every day to farm gold, why not get a part time job? Not necessarily directed at you, just a general thought. Streamers are in a different situation, but I know plenty of people who play 8 hours a day just grinding away and I just can't grasp how that's fun or worthwhile.

It's a totally valid point.  I'm not actually F2P out of any other principle than I just enjoy playing the game and my regular playstyle has netted me plenty of great cards without spending a cent.  But like i say, i'm planning on dropping money on Blackrock no questions asked.

Yeah it's annoying how they've structured BRM. $24.99 or 3500 gold (which would net you 35 packs). Such greed... punishing the F2P players.

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Maybe it's just me, but imo GvG didn't add many great cards. The good commons and rares are exactly what they are, commons and rares. You can craft the few epics that you might need for a certain class and maybe Dr. Boom, that's it.

If I were you I would spend the gold on classic packs, though I don't know how many good classic legendaries you still need. If it's 5+, go with buying classic packs.

Bingo. Even if a spreadsheet tells you you're more likely to get a card you don't have from a GvG pack, you have to ask yourself: is it going to be a card I want?

GvG didn't add a lot of good legendaries. You want Dr. Boom and Sneed's, plus Vol'jin if you play priest (which few people do right now), but other than that, it's a bunch of very niche cards. You might want Mal'Ganis, Flame Leviathan, Neptulon, or Iron Juggernaut if you play those classes, but you certainly don't need them. You might want Gazlowe, Toshley, Troggzor, Mogor, and Blingtron, although the decks that use those guys aren't super-competitive. At this point, I think those are the only GvG legendaries that get played at all.

Now that I look at the list, I actually see that there aren't many good GvG epics either. There are maybe four neutral ones you want, plus perhaps two or three for your favorite classes. Besides, there are just way more vanilla cards to begin with; I think there are almost twice as many vanilla legendaries as GvG ones.

Anyway, to answer the OP: if you're good enough at arena to earn extra gold by doing that (i.e. averaging ~8 wins per run), keep at it, and plow the profits into classic packs. Otherwise, I guess I'd just save for classic packs, assuming you already have the essential GvG legendaries. Remember you've gotta save 3500 gold for the new adventure too.

Thanks for your incredible insight, you get your MBA at Wharton? Your comment still supports the idea that the decision may have been motivated by financial greed. That's the only point I was trying to make. I'm primarily F2P but have spent money on Hearthstone in the past, won't be trying elsewhere.

The hourly rate of playing F2P is probably my biggest gripe about elitest f2p players.  Im not refering to casual players who play this game for fun in their spare time and take joy of building a free collection in the process, but moreso to the hardcore gamer who plays 3-4 arena runs a day because they are "infinite" and literally could fit a fulltime job into theor gaming adiction because they play in 6-8hour long blocks.

Lets face it players that play like that, its just pure stupidity. A pack purchased 1 at a time costs $1.50, so we can say that Blizzard "pays" f2p players about $1.50 for every 100 gold they grind.  So lets take Total Dominance as a starting point, 7 wins for 100 gold.  7 wins at say a 60% winrate is say 13 games.  13 games at say 8min a game is 104min or say 1hour and 30minutes of work for 100 gold.  So essentially Blizzard is payi g you 75cents, ok ill be generous since im not factoring in the 10gold per 3 wins bonus, $1.00 an hour to play their game.  So by playing 8hours a day you are making $8 a day playing hearthstone.  If you feel thats value, then the sweat shops in China are looking for laborers.  Rofl.

Honestly if you play hearthstone that much, give yourself some dignity and realize your time should be worth more then that to you, and spend some money on the game.

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Yeah it's annoying how they've structured BRM. $24.99 or 3500 gold (which would net you 35 packs). Such greed... punishing the F2P players.

It's wonderful how they've structured BRM. 3500 gold but discounted to $24.99 (not the roughly $45 you would expect to pay for 35 packs). Such generosity... rewarding the customers.

See how you can look at things two ways?

Here's the thing: if you don't think BRM is worth 3500 gold, then don't buy it, and quit your vile entitled childish whining.

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Yeah it's annoying how they've structured BRM. $24.99 or 3500 gold (which would net you 35 packs). Such greed... punishing the F2P players.

It's wonderful how they've structured BRM. 3500 gold but discounted to $24.99 (not the roughly $45 you would expect to pay for 35 packs). Such generosity... rewarding the customers.

See how you can look at things two ways?

Here's the thing: if you don't think BRM is worth 3500 gold, then don't buy it, and quit your vile entitled childish whining.

It's not worth the 3500 gold, which is why I'll use real money. That was the point we were trying to make. Sorry you're butthurt, no entitlement here though. We enjoy the game and support Blizzard with both our time and money. Doesn't change the fact they were a little more greedy with BRM than they were with Naxx.

I enjoy the game a ton, way more then you probably since Ive invested enough cash to have a full gold collection.  But my time is precious and not everyone can play 8hours a day like you, so instrad of making the game a headache out of "gamer pride" I made sure I had everything I needed from day one to be competitive. Even if I could waate 4+ hours a day grinding the game, I would've still bought everything upfront.  My time is worth more then 50cents an hour (lets face 1 dollar an hour is extremely generous for the time/pay ratio from Blizzard.)  If you value your time that lowly, thats your perogative I guess.  But if you play 4+ hours a day why you would want to deliberately play handicapped by forcing yourself to sub out cards with less optimal results and frustrate yourself for a year+ while you grind out a collection, I guess that is your perogative also lol.  People enjoy whining on public forums I guess, so they enjoy the excuses of playing OP opponents because they want to waste time dicking around, or like using their "creativeness and adaptability" and other inferiority complexes as excuses for why they cant compete in the game, then all the ppwer to them too.

I should pribably clarify that ny post doesnt apply to thefollowing people:

1) Casuals, who take joy oit of the game purely from buildong a collection gradually overtime, who play just to complete quests for gold etc.  Play in casual mode only or in ladder and dont care about being competitive or their rank.  Essentially players who are smart and onky invest enoigh time into the game to get the most value from their time (which is to stop playing after quest completion) and then play here and there for fun experimenting, playing with friends.  But essentially dont take the game seriously at all, and thus dont care about losing that much and jist laigh it off etc.

2) if you are mentally or physically disabled in someway, social services for your lively hood, and thus have spare time and can play the game a ton.  If you fit in this category and want to play the game competively, then O can justifiably empthaoze with your personal frustration of not being able to fit hearthstone into your budget and have no chooce but to grind.  Lets face it your money is better spent on neccesities, and you shpuldnt be blowing any of it on hearthstone.

3) I suppose I should clarify this point, sonce my original post def. Made it seem like I was atracking these players.  Playerd who are 100% focused on arena, only play casual/ranked for gold optimization only (aka just when its required for a quest or they need to grind 10-20gold quockly for their next run.) And thus dont care about being competitive on ladder and collection is thus irrelevent to them.  But again even then imo, for a dollar to time perspective ubless you are an infinite arena player I still its wasteful and dumb for you to grind out in ranked for gold when all you care aboutnis arena, man up and pay the $2 entry fee each time except for when youve accumlated the gold from simply playing inarena via quests/

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So by playing 8hours a day you are making $8 a day playing hearthstone.  If you feel thats value, then the sweat shops in China are looking for laborers.  Rofl.

Honestly if you play hearthstone that much, give yourself some dignity and realize your time should be worth more then that to you, and spend some money on the game.

Man, I live in Ukraine, and 8$ a day is more than average salary here. 

Well if thats actually true, my sympathys are with you.  If you are struggling that much then Im not sure how you can even consider paying the expe se of a computer and internet in the first place and thus probably shouldnt even have a computee let alone play hearthstone.  You should probably be more focused on improving your quality of life and if there are truly no good jobs that pay respectably in the Ukraine then you shpuld probably consider immigrating to a new country.

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The costs of living vary! Usually countries like Ukraine have way smaller cost of living than Scandinavia or US/Canada, but they also have negligible income and can't afford western european prices too often if at all (60 euro games, 25 euro expansions etc.).

This! That`s why we have regional restrictions of the games in steam (price is lower) often. Most of the gamers just can`t afford buying games for quarter of their month salary. That`s why we have so much "pirates" and torrent-edition-games. 

Well I guess if 100 gold in blizzard a day is more value to you then working an 8hour shift in your country then grind away! Still, my sympathies are with you.   Sounds like your currency is more useless then Germanys post WW2.

I opened around 40 packs of GvG with saved gold after release. Sadly RNGsus hated me and I didnt got any legendary. But I got almost a full collection of commons, many rares and some playable epics.

Now Im back opening classic packs until I have all the legendaries I need.

I think the best way is to buy packs from the edition you need the most legendaries from, after you got all commons and just craft the cards you want. For example a specific rare will cost you 2 classic packs on average and you have the chance to save 1600 dust when you crack a missing legendary.

The only legendary from GvG you really need is Boom. Some others are nice to have, but not as neccessary as most legendarys from classic.

Arena is pain in the ass, way too random even if youre a good player and takes infinite amount of time. I hate it.

tl;dr: Buy packs for gold/money of the edition you need the most legendarys from.

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this is a tough spot that the gvg setup will put a lot of new players in, i recently struggled with this as i have 1 or 2 classic legendaries i still want (and a few epics).  i cant justify buying classic packs at all anymore given my collection.  the chance of pulling something useful is just tiny.  my plan is to just buy gvg packs and eventually craft the few classic cards i still want.  i dont know where the line is though, if i needed 3 classic legendaries? 5, 6? its a tough call... good luck!

 see hearthstone is a play to win game now

I buy a few packs a month and do daily quests. 

I honestly don't like arena.  It is way to random, IE some mage pulling out the perfect Druid card to wax me.  Just my opinion.  I also don't have time for 7 games a day.

So I clear my quests every day or so and buy GVG cards.  I got tired of waiting for BGH this week, so I bought it and I am going back to classic cards.  When I have a full deck of giants (and the assorted legendaries that come by) I'll re-evaluate.

I have the big legendaries, so that pressure is off.  Now I have to decide what specialty ones I want.  Triton, or Grommish or odd legendaries that make sense.

Somebody grinding for 2 packs a day would be doing as good as I do... easy.  But I have the funds and don't have the time or desire to grind.  Doing a handful of games a night is fine for me.

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Grind to 100 gold and buy a classic pack. Open and repeat.

After like a month or two, I usually have a ton of duplicate or useless commons/rares and some epics and maybe if I'm lucky like a legendary.

DE them all and usually can craft something that I like. Been doing that for a couple months now and have gotten a lot.

 Bingo.  Plus you can dust the golds you don't play, don't like or are useless.  I really don't see the need for a gold secret or spell.  Some gold minion are cool and I keep those.  My Gold Knife Jugglers will always be around.

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this is a tough spot that the gvg setup will put a lot of new players in, i recently struggled with this as i have 1 or 2 classic legendaries i still want (and a few epics).  i cant justify buying classic packs at all anymore given my collection.  the chance of pulling something useful is just tiny.  my plan is to just buy gvg packs and eventually craft the few classic cards i still want.  i dont know where the line is though, if i needed 3 classic legendaries? 5, 6? its a tough call... good luck!

 You can't just look at the Legends.  You also have too look at your missing rares.  I need to round out my Giants so it is back to classic packs for me after getting most of the useful GVG packs.