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@Arkasaur. Visions of insanity is a very interesting card, and one that really straddles the line between breaking the game and being unused. I don't think you can really justify adjusting its cost based on the possibility that the player has a perfect curve, for two reasons. First, if it's against aggro, they are going to have an answer, seeing as half their deck is made up of 1-2 cost cards. Second, if it's against control, then they rarely have an exact curve play like that anyway. I don't think having it at two mana would be too bad. You can sabotage your opponent, and they may miss an optimal turn because of it, but remember that you as the person playing it have to take a less optimal turn as well. If you really want it at higher mana, I might consider adding a small bonus effect, like draw a card

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 I dislike cards that force your opponent to discard cards/destroy mana crystals. However, because of your class I think a forced discard/destruction could be fine under the right circumstances. Maybe you could change your card to destroy both on of yours and one of your opponent's? Maybe call it "Linked Consciousness" and change the art? Still think it should cost 3 mana though as too much use of the spell could be unfun. It shouldn't be a staple card IMO.

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 And about Dampen Magic, it feels very weak as some classes don't really make use of Spell Damage. A person suggested it dealing 1 damage aswell, i think you could get away with 2. It would be your class' Holy Smite/Arcane Shot. A bit stronger, but the Hunter's 3 damage spell is stronger than the Warlock's 3 damage spell so why not? I don't think giving yourself armor is appropriate for that card but in other cards, sure.

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Twisted elements: Is supposed able to hit the same minion more than once regardless of  how many minions are on the board, thats partly why i priced it at a higher cost since it would be possible to kill a a 8-9 health minion if you get lucky. I took some cues on balancing from avenging wrath as well which deals 8 damage for 6 mana.

Visions of Insanity: that's a shame about not being liked on an official level, i guess i'll make a replacement card just in case then. 5 mana for pricing though seems really high to me even with the "loss of turn" possibility. Just that possibility might be too powerful or is there something else I'm not considering?

Thanks for the feedback by the way, any thoughts on which faceless corruptor to use however?

 Twisted Elements - Alright, I see, it makes it a rather costly hard removal in that case, thus the cost could still be lowered. Nowadays avenging wrath reallly is used to deal that face damage anyway.

Visions of Insanity - since it seems you've already given up on the idea, I don't know if it's worth talking about it, but the reasoning for 5 mana is as follows. In hearthstone atleast I feel, the reverse ramp is strongest in the early game and late late game. If you played this on 3, it would be too impactful, but late game you can combo this card with your hero power thus rendering 9 mana cards unplayable for a whole turn, and I feel that is quite the big deal, in a surprising amount of cases. Even in general, putting your opponent on effective 8 mana on turn 10 when you have board can mean a huge difference.

As for the corruptor, I think the 2 damage one is fair.

Ok, here is a card I think of adding to the basic set instead of no escape! in an attempt to get a more favourable entry. While I thought no escape was good filler material, people suggest improving it someway and I might be convinced to do that and release it in a later phase. Anyway, without further ado: 

It's a weaker freeze in essence. It's supposed to further emphasise the 'hard to kill' concept of my class. I think the drawback of the charachter still attacking a minion might be insignificant enough to warrant this as an actual card. Thoughts? Especially you murloc, as I mostly got duped into this by you, seeing you as the biggest fan of my class so far.

@kingslayer - please consider using my design on those cards should I drop out of the competition "Wardens represent, yo!". As for that example card shown - I don't have any issue with the aesthetic(orc and what not), but that dude just completely blows out of proportion and has quite the legendary feel to it. I think the attack part needs to be scaled down to 2 and even then, the card is still very strong.

Im afraid stealth on a hero is just simply too strong to ever design in a card. So I'm trying to emulate this kind of effect with Blink and Elusive in conjunction for example. More perseverance is intended in cards that I will release at a later date, but for now, my simple question is - is this card better than no escape in the basic set purely for advancement reasons(appeal and whatnot).

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Congratulations, glad to see so many well-designed entries making it through!

I suppose I'll start off the discussion with a quandary I'm stuck in. 

As you may (or may not) recall, my Hero is the Archivist, Arcanist Doan. 

Spellwear refers to the fact that 'After you cast a spell, this weapon lose 1 Durability'.

I have 9 of my Basic cards essentially figured out, and I'll put those in this spoiler if anybody wishes to check them balance-wise.

Two minions that show Spell Damage and weapon synergy at it's most basic level. As with the spells, these minions seem particularly weak, but with the abundance of Spell Damage already in the game and the new weapons I plan to introduce, they have to be this weak so as not to be broken.


A very simple class taunt. Not much to say really.


The spells that straight up state a damage value that can be affected by Spell Damage. Ink Assault works similarly to Cleave, and A New Chapter is a favourite of mine due to it's duality - it can be used as a board wipe or a card draw engine depending on how and when you play it.


A more interesting board clear option. With your Hero Power it becomes a 6 mana (potentially over two turns) 3 damage AOE, to minions only, which seems awful. The real power of this card comes in combining it with the weapons that we have yet to see, and is why I think the minions only justification is needed.


Finally, the non-damaging spells. The first is more an aesthetic card than one that I tried to balance very well - any help on that one would be appreciated. Warded Pages is your lategame 'I have a high Spell Damage weapon that I want to use a lot of spells with' card. Comparable in a way to Commanding Shout.

However, my main issue is deciding on my tenth Basic card. I'm torn between these two:

I think that I much prefer the Scroll Keeper, but I'm also wary in that that would bring the minion/spell split up to 4/6, equal lowest number of spells in any Basic set. In a class so focused on spell interaction, I'm unsure if this is good or not.

I'm also sad that I can't include any weapons in my Basic set, but since they would require the new keyword, I'll just have to hold back and hope the idea can come across well without them.

1. About Spellwear, does it lose durability after playing a non-damaging spell? Cause it sounds like it does, which would make his basic tomnot as good, but gives nice space to explore other tings with the spellwear mechanic besides Spell Damage.

2. Experienced Archivist seems too good and complicated to be a basic card,sounds more like an epic to me, but that's me.

3. I love Word of Power, Ink Assault and A New Chapter, the theme, the art, everything. Maybe Word of Power should cost one mana though, it seems pretty crazy.

4. I like the concept of Scroll Keeper better, but that's broken at it's current mana cost, I'd take up to 3 or 2.

You are right about the card getting alot worse - it's too good right now :D. Your hero power is really the problem, for the card. Any minion played along side yours on curve wouldn't be able to touch it. This also scales into the midgame where any 4 damage minion would suddenly be intimidatable to 3 attack, even handlock would cry when their twilight drake gets shrekked by this card. So in essence, dropping the threshold by 1 still makes it good against 3/2's, but it's harder to get value in the midgame. 

And considering the legendary feel, I was reffering more to the effect than the art.

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Twisted elements: Is supposed able to hit the same minion more than once regardless of  how many minions are on the board, thats partly why i priced it at a higher cost since it would be possible to kill a a 8-9 health minion if you get lucky. I took some cues on balancing from avenging wrath as well which deals 8 damage for 6 mana.

Visions of Insanity: that's a shame about not being liked on an official level, i guess i'll make a replacement card just in case then. 5 mana for pricing though seems really high to me even with the "loss of turn" possibility. Just that possibility might be too powerful or is there something else I'm not considering?

Thanks for the feedback by the way, any thoughts on which faceless corruptor to use however?

 Twisted Elements - Alright, I see, it makes it a rather costly hard removal in that case, thus the cost could still be lowered. Nowadays avenging wrath reallly is used to deal that face damage anyway.

Visions of Insanity - since it seems you've already given up on the idea, I don't know if it's worth talking about it, but the reasoning for 5 mana is as follows. In hearthstone atleast I feel, the reverse ramp is strongest in the early game and late late game. If you played this on 3, it would be too impactful, but late game you can combo this card with your hero power thus rendering 9 mana cards unplayable for a whole turn, and I feel that is quite the big deal, in a surprising amount of cases. Even in general, putting your opponent on effective 8 mana on turn 10 when you have board can mean a huge difference.

As for the corruptor, I think the 2 damage one is fair.

Ok, here is a card I think of adding to the basic set instead of no escape! in an attempt to get a more favourable entry. While I thought no escape was good filler material, people suggest improving it someway and I might be convinced to do that and release it in a later phase. Anyway, without further ado: 

It's a weaker freeze in essence. It's supposed to further emphasise the 'hard to kill' concept of my class. I think the drawback of the charachter still attacking a minion might be insignificant enough to warrant this as an actual card. Thoughts? Especially you murloc, as I mostly got duped into this by you, seeing you as the biggest fan of my class so far.

@kingslayer - please consider using my design on those cards should I drop out of the competition "Wardens represent, yo!". As for that example card shown - I don't have any issue with the aesthetic(orc and what not), but that dude just completely blows out of proportion and has quite the legendary feel to it. I think the attack part needs to be scaled down to 2 and even then, the card is still very strong.

 As the spell's name is "Elusive" it doesn't really fit with the spell's effect as you're the one being elusive, if you understand what I mean? Maybe a card that would give you armor for every killed enemy minion that turn, x amount of armor for each time you've attacked throughout the match etc? Otherwise you could rework the spell and make it something like "Your Hero is Immune next turn" and slap a higher cost on it? Immune would however push it out of the basic set :(

Also "character" :P

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My only concern with adding damage on Dampen Magic is that it can work against the card itself. If you're trying to use it to make the mages flamestrike worse and you hit his minion for 2, it makes it so much easier for him to trade it away and make the spell useless.

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My only concern with adding damage on Dampen Magic is that it can work against the card itself. If you're trying to use it to make the mages flamestrike worse and you hit his minion for 2, it makes it so much easier for him to trade it away and make the spell useless.

 See it as a spell with versatility instead :) You can use it to force a trade, to kill a minion or to remove spell damage. It would be a spell that has use throughout the match against any class basically. If it is like it is now, it would be a dead card against many classes. Also, compare it to Silence. That card is barely used and it's ALOT better than Dampen Magic in its current form. 

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Im afraid stealth on a hero is just simply too strong to ever design in a card. So I'm trying to emulate this kind of effect with Blink and Elusive in conjunction for example. More perseverance is intended in cards that I will release at a later date, but for now, my simple question is - is this card better than no escape in the basic set purely for advancement reasons(appeal and whatnot).

 Why? Mages got ice block which I would say is stronger as it can be played anytime you have free mana, it's a secret which can be used as a mindgame and it makes them immune to random effects like Ragnaros. Also Hunters could still damage you with their heropower even though your hero would have stealth.

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 As the spell's name is "Elusive" it doesn't really fit with the spell's effect as you're the one being elusive, if you understand what I mean?

I actually don't understand. But does 'Elusiveness' fix that?

Maybe a card that would give you armor for every killed enemy minion that turn, x amount of armor for each time you've attacked throughout the match etc? Otherwise you could rework the spell and make it something like "Your Hero is Immune next turn" and slap a higher cost on it? Immune would however push it out of the basic set :(

I will probably not include any armor gain for the class, as the concept revolves about being hard to bring down while not actually being 'tanky'. Another card like that would also be too similar to the one I showed off in phase 1.

Also "character" :P

By god, hopefully I can memorise this.

 This kind of feedback is really tough. I actually hoped I nailed it on the first try. Anyway, answers to specific parts in the quote, also my main concern was unanswered - should I go with this, or keep no escape?

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Im afraid stealth on a hero is just simply too strong to ever design in a card. So I'm trying to emulate this kind of effect with Blink and Elusive in conjunction for example. More perseverance is intended in cards that I will release at a later date, but for now, my simple question is - is this card better than no escape in the basic set purely for advancement reasons(appeal and whatnot).

 Why? Mages got ice block which I would say is stronger as it can be played anytime you have free mana, it's a secret which can be used as a mindgame and it makes them immune to random effects like Ragnaros. Also Hunters could still damage you with their heropower even though your hero would have stealth.

 Yes, but iceblock has counters in the game for one thing, think kezan, flare, and other fringe case stuff that is enabled from not proccing on your own turn. And in the case of block you actually go down in health still, setting up a situation where you are immediately prone to die next turn.

Stealth however just completely negates damage for a whole turn except for :
Ragnaros,
suiciding boom bots, leper gnomes, zombie chow with auchenai
enraging axe flingers
hunter hero power,
arcane missiles,
bombers,
flamewakers,
goblin blastmage,
flame leviathan,
consecration,
avenging wrath,
hellfire,
sinister strike,
bladeflurry,
mindblast,
holy nova
and the infamous nightblade.
Probably I missed some.

It would be much better than Iceblock. Say a mage, freezes the board, you can still grind at his life total with burn spells or charge minions. I'm afraid stealth is much more abusable on a hero.

I will give another example - ice block costs you x health to activate. Whereas stealthing your hero would probably only cost you some mana and in cases mentioned, you could take some damage. You effectively gain an extra turn. In the first case you are at a life total in between 1-3 health. In the second case you have close life total to pre stealthing and have likely more options to deal with the enemy board and are not susceptible to direct damage spells immediately after, hell, my class even has blink if that's a worry. 

So in essence iceblock might seem similar, but the effectiveness is completely different - as in the price you pay for that extra turn.