I was thinking as I was playing my Hunter and I was putting down the one mana 1-1Webspinner should there be a card like that for the Warlock? Instead of random Beast, A random Demon it would be a nice 1-1 drop for my Demon deck. Am I right or wrong in thinking that would be good?
I know there is Voidcaller but its not the same thing..
It would be nice, but there likely isn't for balance reasons, as you said there is already voidcaller, and the Warlock's ability allows it to draw cards, where as hunters has limited card drawing, and the most effective beasts typically have higher costs.
As I said it would be nice though if it were balanced right.
It would probably see more play in regular Zoo decks than in Demon decks.
Would probably need to be costed higher than Webspinner, or else only access a subset of demons (the same way Bane of Doom works). Warlock cards generally need to be weaker than other class cards because the hero power is so much stronger.
Ok so I hear what your saying about the life tap ability and I agree it is too over powering, but you do forget that the warlocks take two damage and the demon cards are always lose a card or take damage so make a 1-1 demon card that reads death rattle summon a random demon lose one card and take 4 damage. or something like that, As far as the Bane of Doom card it's a bit over priced or nerf the card a bit lower than 5 mana
Can Bane of Doom summon any demon? I think it cannot summon Mal'Ganis, but can it summon every other demon?
I'm curious about this card and I want to try it sometime, but I'm too afraid to craft an useless epic.
Looks overpriced for me as well, but it summons a demon on the spot. Can it like summon doomguard, voidcaller, floating watcher, dread infernal, pit lord? If thats the case blood imp, voidcaller and flame imp would be the only ones I woudn't like. You have much higher chance of geting an op demon without drawback than geting these weak ones. It can be a really good tempo card.
I might craft it sometime.
About the hero power, I agree that webspinner was like a tool to help hunters lack of card draw. A warlock demon equivalent should be, imo, something that synergises with other demons, either buffing them, geting buffed, lowering the cost or removing the drawback. That would be a good card to make a demon warlock stronger.
EDIT: Did some research and it looks to me that Bane of Doom has a huge misleading description. I think the text from it should be changed. It summons one of 6 demons, 3 of them being bad, 1 being really good and 2 being rather mediocre.
Still something like 50% chance of being okay, but I don't think thats enough for its cost.
They should make so it can summon voidcaller and floating watcher too. Maybe even mistress of pain to increse the RNG.
I would even think that card would be really strong.
Let`s do some math again :) If it could summon all demons except legends, the average stats would be 3,25/4 worth around 3 mana. You would pay 1 mana for 2 damage and 4 mana for 3,25/4 stats. That`s kinda balanced. Nothing exciting! Still to slow for 5 mana and a lot of rng...
I disagree with your analysis.
This average stat is pretty bias because of the low number demons in the universe you're taking in account. Blood imp's and voidcaller stats have a lot of weight in the numbers you put out. If you had 1 9999/99999 demon and 20 blood imps, the card would be viable by your point of view, where I think it would not be.
I rather look at it like this: IMO, Bane of doom would be really good with doomguard, voidcaller dread infernal and I may argue with pit lord and floating watcher.
It would be good, with no question imo, with floating watcher and pit lord.
It would be meh but not the end of the world with fel guard, mistress of pain, succubus and void terror.
And it would be bad with blood imp, voidcaller and flame imp and you may argue mistress of pain and void terror.
So, we have 12 demons. In the most pessimistic point of view, 3 of them(25%) are really good, 2(17%) are good, 2 are okay and 5(42%) are bad.
So, in the most pessimistic way of thinking, the card would have a viable result in 58% of the times. Or even 50% if you are really picky and think about the card alone and not the synergy of it with the rest of the deck.
With the potential swing from it, the synergy with the rest of your deck, I think it would be a really strong card. The swing you would get from the best demons, IMO, would be huge.
I don't have such a pessimistic way of looking because I imagine the synergy of the deck and I assume the card wouldn't be simply its stats. A simple Demonheart can swing the game. I think removing a minion and puting a strong minion on board would be really good against aggro, being still viable against control, and the card would still have the RNG tematic of GVG.
I didn't disagree with math. I disagreed with your way of using it.
Think about a 1000/1000 demon and 19 0/1 demons. The average demon will be 50/51. Pretty good stats, huh? But you have 95% chance of geting a 0/1 demon.
See my point?
But I do agree that bane of doom sucks right now, although I think this card has potential and I would be excited to use it if they change the demons it can summon.
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I was thinking as I was playing my Hunter and I was putting down the one mana 1-1Webspinner should there be a card like that for the Warlock? Instead of random Beast, A random Demon it would be a nice 1-1 drop for my Demon deck. Am I right or wrong in thinking that would be good?
I know there is Voidcaller but its not the same thing..
It would be nice, but there likely isn't for balance reasons, as you said there is already voidcaller, and the Warlock's ability allows it to draw cards, where as hunters has limited card drawing, and the most effective beasts typically have higher costs.
As I said it would be nice though if it were balanced right.
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Yeah Life tapping is really annoying ability though. Well it could be an Epic Card agh well it will never happen, but here is too day dreaming.
Just a thought that past through my head
Can you consider Bane of Doom something like that?
bit expensive, though
honestly if there is a class that doesnt need this type of card it is warlock.. the heropower already draws enough
classes that run out of steam would benefit from such card the most
Time is money, friend.
It would probably see more play in regular Zoo decks than in Demon decks.
Would probably need to be costed higher than Webspinner, or else only access a subset of demons (the same way Bane of Doom works). Warlock cards generally need to be weaker than other class cards because the hero power is so much stronger.
Ok so I hear what your saying about the life tap ability and I agree it is too over powering, but you do forget that the warlocks take two damage and the demon cards are always lose a card or take damage so make a 1-1 demon card that reads death rattle summon a random demon lose one card and take 4 damage. or something like that, As far as the Bane of Doom card it's a bit over priced or nerf the card a bit lower than 5 mana
Can Bane of Doom summon any demon?
I think it cannot summon Mal'Ganis, but can it summon every other demon?
I'm curious about this card and I want to try it sometime, but I'm too afraid to craft an useless epic.
Looks overpriced for me as well, but it summons a demon on the spot. Can it like summon doomguard, voidcaller, floating watcher, dread infernal, pit lord?
If thats the case blood imp, voidcaller and flame imp would be the only ones I woudn't like. You have much higher chance of geting an op demon without drawback than geting these weak ones. It can be a really good tempo card.
I might craft it sometime.
About the hero power, I agree that webspinner was like a tool to help hunters lack of card draw.
A warlock demon equivalent should be, imo, something that synergises with other demons, either buffing them, geting buffed, lowering the cost or removing the drawback. That would be a good card to make a demon warlock stronger.
EDIT:
Did some research and it looks to me that Bane of Doom has a huge misleading description. I think the text from it should be changed.
It summons one of 6 demons, 3 of them being bad, 1 being really good and 2 being rather mediocre.
Still something like 50% chance of being okay, but I don't think thats enough for its cost.
They should make so it can summon voidcaller and floating watcher too. Maybe even mistress of pain to increse the RNG.
What if Bane of Doom card was changed GvG, but no one has discovered it yet because no one plays this useless piece of shit of a card?
combo with naburian egg . :P
The funny thing is, I was forced to pick this card in arena. And I killed the opponent with the 2 damage :D
it even not have gvg demons.. https://twitter.com/bdbrode/status/561583433650958336
If I could summon good demons, I would use bane of doom.
Adding Floating Watcher, Doomguard, Pit Lord and mistress of pain would make me play that card even for 5 mana.
I would even think that card would be really strong.
I disagree with your analysis.
This average stat is pretty bias because of the low number demons in the universe you're taking in account. Blood imp's and voidcaller stats have a lot of weight in the numbers you put out. If you had 1 9999/99999 demon and 20 blood imps, the card would be viable by your point of view, where I think it would not be.
I rather look at it like this:
IMO, Bane of doom would be really good with doomguard, voidcaller dread infernal and I may argue with pit lord and floating watcher.
It would be good, with no question imo, with floating watcher and pit lord.
It would be meh but not the end of the world with fel guard, mistress of pain, succubus and void terror.
And it would be bad with blood imp, voidcaller and flame imp and you may argue mistress of pain and void terror.
So, we have 12 demons. In the most pessimistic point of view, 3 of them(25%) are really good, 2(17%) are good, 2 are okay and 5(42%) are bad.
So, in the most pessimistic way of thinking, the card would have a viable result in 58% of the times. Or even 50% if you are really picky and think about the card alone and not the synergy of it with the rest of the deck.
With the potential swing from it, the synergy with the rest of your deck, I think it would be a really strong card. The swing you would get from the best demons, IMO, would be huge.
I don't have such a pessimistic way of looking because I imagine the synergy of the deck and I assume the card wouldn't be simply its stats. A simple Demonheart can swing the game. I think removing a minion and puting a strong minion on board would be really good against aggro, being still viable against control, and the card would still have the RNG tematic of GVG.
This card is very comparable to Stormpike Commando really.
demons do have a card like web spinner it's called sense demons.
And bane of doom buff not nerf, yes needs a buff
Sense Demons does not give you two random demons but demons already in your deck..
I didn't disagree with math. I disagreed with your way of using it.
Think about a 1000/1000 demon and 19 0/1 demons. The average demon will be 50/51. Pretty good stats, huh? But you have 95% chance of geting a 0/1 demon.
See my point?
But I do agree that bane of doom sucks right now, although I think this card has potential and I would be excited to use it if they change the demons it can summon.