Alright, so I am really trying everything that I can throw at the arenas and STILL only average around 4 wins. I have researched, and been told, that only around 9% of arena runs reach 7 wins, partly due to that the higher you go in arena the tougher the opposition, the game tries to match you against people with the same number of wins. In fact, to reach infinite arena on average is even lower than 9% as sometimes average and poor players reach that level of wins by getting lucky meaning some of that 9% of runs are occupied by lower level players and that for you to average that number of wins you have to be even more elite that the top 9% of arena players.
I'm not saying I am great, but I know that I am good enough to reach more wins than I have but consistently losing to those with clearly better drafts than I as soon as I reach 3 to 4 wins. What is there that I can really do?
Don't focus too much on the draft. With all the tools out there like heartharena, most people are drafting the best deck possible or fairly close to it. From what I see (including my own mistakes) game decisions are much bigger factor affecting your win rate. Watch your replays, read articles, and think critically about every move. Watch streamers and pause them to see if you can correctly predict their plays.
I think good drafting has a hugh impact on your success. And it is the fastest way to improve your results. Good drafting is something you can learn easier than the right way to play. I don't think tools are always helpful. They can not assess the benefits from synergies of cards. Even you don't have so many synergies as in constructed, they can make a hugh difference.
The worst the player, the more important the draft is. For mediocre players a draft tool is like gold, they pick way less sub-optimal picks.
Alright, so I am really trying everything that I can throw at the arenas and STILL only average around 4 wins. I have researched, and been told, that only around 9% of arena runs reach 7 wins, partly due to that the higher you go in arena the tougher the opposition, the game tries to match you against people with the same number of wins. In fact, to reach infinite arena on average is even lower than 9% as sometimes average and poor players reach that level of wins by getting lucky meaning some of that 9% of runs are occupied by lower level players and that for you to average that number of wins you have to be even more elite that the top 9% of arena players.
I'm not saying I am great, but I know that I am good enough to reach more wins than I have but consistently losing to those with clearly better drafts than I as soon as I reach 3 to 4 wins. What is there that I can really do?
Don't focus too much on the draft. With all the tools out there like heartharena, most people are drafting the best deck possible or fairly close to it. From what I see (including my own mistakes) game decisions are much bigger factor affecting your win rate. Watch your replays, read articles, and think critically about every move. Watch streamers and pause them to see if you can correctly predict their plays.
I think good drafting has a hugh impact on your success. And it is the fastest way to improve your results. Good drafting is something you can learn easier than the right way to play. I don't think tools are always helpful. They can not assess the benefits from synergies of cards. Even you don't have so many synergies as in constructed, they can make a hugh difference.
The worst the player, the more important the draft is. For mediocre players a draft tool is like gold, they pick way less sub-optimal picks.
I don't deny that. I was responding to the comment before. Just saying that there is more potential to improve, which can not be done with a tool.
Alright, so I am really trying everything that I can throw at the arenas and STILL only average around 4 wins. I have researched, and been told, that only around 9% of arena runs reach 7 wins, partly due to that the higher you go in arena the tougher the opposition, the game tries to match you against people with the same number of wins. In fact, to reach infinite arena on average is even lower than 9% as sometimes average and poor players reach that level of wins by getting lucky meaning some of that 9% of runs are occupied by lower level players and that for you to average that number of wins you have to be even more elite that the top 9% of arena players.
I'm not saying I am great, but I know that I am good enough to reach more wins than I have but consistently losing to those with clearly better drafts than I as soon as I reach 3 to 4 wins. What is there that I can really do?
Don't focus too much on the draft. With all the tools out there like heartharena, most people are drafting the best deck possible or fairly close to it. From what I see (including my own mistakes) game decisions are much bigger factor affecting your win rate. Watch your replays, read articles, and think critically about every move. Watch streamers and pause them to see if you can correctly predict their plays.
I think good drafting has a hugh impact on your success. And it is the fastest way to improve your results. Good drafting is something you can learn easier than the right way to play. I don't think tools are always helpful. They can not assess the benefits from synergies of cards. Even you don't have so many synergies as in constructed, they can make a hugh difference.
Don't get me wrong, the draft is the best place to begin learning Arena. That said, people like to focus on the draft because it is easy to be analytical when you have infinite time and 3 direct choices presented to you. Not only are there far more things to consider in the actual game, it must be done in a short time frame. Most reasonably experienced players draft exactly the same or very similarly to top players. I bet if you opened up Ratsmah's stream, you can pretty much predict exactly what he will pick based on A) what has the best value and B) his personal taste which tends to push tempo a little harder.
Educated Collins once said that when infinite players come together to co-draft a deck, they will differ here and there based on personal preference or play style. Once the deck is built though all top players see the best play and agree, whereas mediocre players will not. Many streamers will tell you learning the draft gets you to a 4 win average but the infinite player is made from their gameplay.
Alright, so I am really trying everything that I can throw at the arenas and STILL only average around 4 wins. I have researched, and been told, that only around 9% of arena runs reach 7 wins, partly due to that the higher you go in arena the tougher the opposition, the game tries to match you against people with the same number of wins. In fact, to reach infinite arena on average is even lower than 9% as sometimes average and poor players reach that level of wins by getting lucky meaning some of that 9% of runs are occupied by lower level players and that for you to average that number of wins you have to be even more elite that the top 9% of arena players.
I'm not saying I am great, but I know that I am good enough to reach more wins than I have but consistently losing to those with clearly better drafts than I as soon as I reach 3 to 4 wins. What is there that I can really do?
Don't focus too much on the draft. With all the tools out there like heartharena, most people are drafting the best deck possible or fairly close to it. From what I see (including my own mistakes) game decisions are much bigger factor affecting your win rate. Watch your replays, read articles, and think critically about every move. Watch streamers and pause them to see if you can correctly predict their plays.
I think good drafting has a hugh impact on your success. And it is the fastest way to improve your results. Good drafting is something you can learn easier than the right way to play. I don't think tools are always helpful. They can not assess the benefits from synergies of cards. Even you don't have so many synergies as in constructed, they can make a hugh difference.
Don't get me wrong, the draft is the best place to begin learning Arena. That said, people like to focus on the draft because it is easy to be analytical when you have infinite time and 3 direct choices presented to you. Not only are there far more things to consider in the actual game, it must be done in a short time frame. Most reasonably experienced players draft exactly the same or very similarly to top players. I bet if you opened up Ratsmah's stream, you can pretty much predict exactly what he will pick based on A) what has the best value and B) his personal taste which tends to push tempo a little harder.
Educated Collins once said that when infinite players come together to co-draft a deck, they will differ here and there based on personal preference or play style. Once the deck is built though all top players see the best play and agree, whereas mediocre players will not. Many streamers will tell you learning the draft gets you to a 4 win average but the infinite player is made from their gameplay.
The last part of Collins his statement is just not true, I've seen enough co-op streams between infinite players and they also disagree on certain plays and will not always pick the best play. It's just that they make less bad plays in general which leads to better results.
I agree with op in that ist super hard to be an infinite Player. Youd Need about a 5.5 win average (with quests if you dont Play all day) and that IS quite an achievement regardless of what People in here say. Anything above 3 wins is good. Any Player who averages more then 4 is really good in Arena. I dont think more then 3 % of the playerbase can go infinite in Arena. Also, every "advice" People in here give can go both ways, your Opponent can and eventually will pick up on it too. Its a closed System, anyone beating it on average is way above average.
I think one key issue is that there is a somewhat different Arena playstyle as oppposed to constructed games. In Arena, you can take more risks, have to skip playing around Cards at times because ist too unlikely.
I don't think anybody disagree that it's hard to be an infinite arena player.
And yes the advise works both ways but does that really matter? Everybody who wants to improve their game can browse the web for good advice, but also everybody has a limit on how much of that information they can understand and even more important to put the theory into practice.
Also playstyle in arena isn't that much different, you still play a certain style, yes your aggro deck won't be as solid as a facehunter and your control deck not as solid as control warrior. Also you don't have to play around some unlikely combos but you also need to play around other cards. Like against rogue positioning in arena is way more important than in constructed because of betrayal.
I am currently in my infinite phase, managed to earn 1.5k gold over several arenas and quests.
Sometimes you have to know when to abandon trading the board and just go for face. Try to draft a few charge minions if possible. Reckless Rocketeer has stolen wins for me many times already.
An arena run would probably take an average person 2-3 days to finish. Always refresh your memory of your deck composition before you hit that play button. You constantly need to keep track of your probabilities of drawing your finishers / outs in game.
Lastly, i find that drafting a mid-range curve often works best for me so try to draft a curve that is compatible for your playstyle. With 3 choices every turn for 30 picks, you will at least have some form of control over your deck curve.
An arena run would probably take an average person 2-3 days to finish.
I highly doubt that ;)
For working adults, 2 days is quite possible, 3 days if you're 9 to 11 wins in.
I normally play other games apart from Hearthstone so 2 days per arena run is quite common for me.
I think the infinite players are mainly not casual players, who plays just a few games now and then. So the majority is playing the run in a row. I am a working adult and I play almost every run in a row. If I don't have 1 or 2 hours time to play I just don't start a run.
I think this varys widely to be honest. I am pretty sure I could consider myself an infinite player but my average run is probably over two days. Of course the weekends happen and I do three or four runs per day but I normally just play two or three games a day on work nights. I mean I have other games I play as well as a girlfriend a job a super needy cat that attacks me when I don't pet it and if I try to multitask my average wins drops immensely which leads me to rarely finishing a run in a day.
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The worst the player, the more important the draft is. For mediocre players a draft tool is like gold, they pick way less sub-optimal picks.
I don't deny that. I was responding to the comment before. Just saying that there is more potential to improve, which can not be done with a tool.
Don't get me wrong, the draft is the best place to begin learning Arena. That said, people like to focus on the draft because it is easy to be analytical when you have infinite time and 3 direct choices presented to you. Not only are there far more things to consider in the actual game, it must be done in a short time frame. Most reasonably experienced players draft exactly the same or very similarly to top players. I bet if you opened up Ratsmah's stream, you can pretty much predict exactly what he will pick based on A) what has the best value and B) his personal taste which tends to push tempo a little harder.
Educated Collins once said that when infinite players come together to co-draft a deck, they will differ here and there based on personal preference or play style. Once the deck is built though all top players see the best play and agree, whereas mediocre players will not. Many streamers will tell you learning the draft gets you to a 4 win average but the infinite player is made from their gameplay.
The last part of Collins his statement is just not true, I've seen enough co-op streams between infinite players and they also disagree on certain plays and will not always pick the best play. It's just that they make less bad plays in general which leads to better results.
I don't think anybody disagree that it's hard to be an infinite arena player.
And yes the advise works both ways but does that really matter? Everybody who wants to improve their game can browse the web for good advice, but also everybody has a limit on how much of that information they can understand and even more important to put the theory into practice.
Also playstyle in arena isn't that much different, you still play a certain style, yes your aggro deck won't be as solid as a facehunter and your control deck not as solid as control warrior. Also you don't have to play around some unlikely combos but you also need to play around other cards. Like against rogue positioning in arena is way more important than in constructed because of betrayal.
My advice that doesn't get mentioned a lot is don't play while on tilt/salty. Some of my most average decks I've brought to 12 wins.
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I am currently in my infinite phase, managed to earn 1.5k gold over several arenas and quests.
Sometimes you have to know when to abandon trading the board and just go for face. Try to draft a few charge minions if possible. Reckless Rocketeer has stolen wins for me many times already.
An arena run would probably take an average person 2-3 days to finish. Always refresh your memory of your deck composition before you hit that play button. You constantly need to keep track of your probabilities of drawing your finishers / outs in game.
Lastly, i find that drafting a mid-range curve often works best for me so try to draft a curve that is compatible for your playstyle. With 3 choices every turn for 30 picks, you will at least have some form of control over your deck curve.
I highly doubt that ;)
For working adults, 2 days is quite possible, 3 days if you're 9 to 11 wins in.
I normally play other games apart from Hearthstone so 2 days per arena run is quite common for me.
I think the infinite players are mainly not casual players, who plays just a few games now and then. So the majority is playing the run in a row. I am a working adult and I play almost every run in a row. If I don't have 1 or 2 hours time to play I just don't start a run.
I think this varys widely to be honest. I am pretty sure I could consider myself an infinite player but my average run is probably over two days. Of course the weekends happen and I do three or four runs per day but I normally just play two or three games a day on work nights. I mean I have other games I play as well as a girlfriend a job a super needy cat that attacks me when I don't pet it and if I try to multitask my average wins drops immensely which leads me to rarely finishing a run in a day.