I’ll start with this so people don’t get salty, I made legend just like any other meta so my thoughts come from that climb.
so here are my thoughts on why I find this current meta just incredibly boring. First, I think it’s awesome that every class has a deck that can get you legend. It hasn’t been that way for a long time. I’m by no means calling out the meta for being “play this deck or lose”. Because I really believe that even DH doesn’t control this meta like decks have in previous meta’s. *looks at kaza Druid and discard warlock* <—just the biggest culprits that come to mind atm.
what I find boring is that there is just very little intelligence required anymore to simply make legend. It comes from the sheer amount of card generation there is now. It’s very hard to be punished any more if you make the wrong choice because even the wrong choice simply refills your hand of every mid range deck.
the only deck out there now that require any sort of thought process are death rattle priest and that just kinda sucks :/
There have always been easy-to-play legend-capable decks, a lot of players don't care about big brain plays and they need to be catered to as well.
And in my opinion there are plenty of difficult decks to choose from if you want a challenge. I got legend this time around with control Shaman, and it is not an easy deck to play.
But yes, card generation (in my opinion mainly card draw) is way too strong right now, which is compounded by how much inevitability exists. Too much draw should come at a tempo loss and a risk of running out of total deck value, but right now that almost never happens. Draw is so cheap that it's often better for tempo than not drawing, because you don't have to run high cost cards, and most decks have some inevitable win condition that ensures they win before fatigue.
I think its in a good place right now except DH. I'm playing quite a few decks at 2500 legend and having success with most. So imo this meta is pretty balanced (not DH) and its fun to play multiple classes!
I agree 100%, I made several decks in this expansion and at first I was enjoying it, but then I finally decided to create my Wild Reno Mage and my life changed, of course, there are some bullshit decks, but yesterday I played some games in standard and it's pathetic, always the same cancer decks, DH, DH, DH, Druid (every Druid deck is toxic, it's unbelievable, Guff shouldn't exist), DH, CW .. damn, what a pathetic mode, good luck to those who still play standard, I'll just be in the wild now.
card generation seems ridiculous right now because of how limited the card pool is at the moment. Nellie always seems to discover Mr. Smite, you’re liable to face 3 or more Gaias or Leviathans playing against Mech Mage or Mech Paladin, Druid gets to tutor and discover extra copies of their busted spells, etc…but none of this compares to how asinine DH is right now. Everything about their toolkit is disgusting and the way the devs are sitting on it (or “keeping an eye on it” whatever that means) is actively ruining this expansion. Nerf multi strike, nerf the hunter quest, nerf Guff, nerf Smite, and then adjust further in about 2 weeks as needed. Thanks!
I agree 100%, I made several decks in this expansion and at first I was enjoying it, but then I finally decided to create my Wild Reno Mage and my life changed, of course, there are some bullshit decks, but yesterday I played some games in standard and it's pathetic, always the same cancer decks, DH, DH, DH, Druid (every Druid deck is toxic, it's unbelievable, Guff shouldn't exist), DH, CW .. damn, what a pathetic mode, good luck to those who still play standard, I'll just be in the wild now.
can you share the reno mage list? i love reno mage and haven't played it in a year for sure
card generation seems ridiculous right now because of how limited the card pool is at the moment. Nellie always seems to discover Mr. Smite, you’re liable to face 3 or more Gaias or Leviathans playing against Mech Mage or Mech Paladin, Druid gets to tutor and discover extra copies of their busted spells, etc…but none of this compares to how asinine DH is right now. Everything about their toolkit is disgusting and the way the devs are sitting on it (or “keeping an eye on it” whatever that means) is actively ruining this expansion. Nerf multi strike, nerf the hunter quest, nerf Guff, nerf Smite, and then adjust further in about 2 weeks as needed. Thanks!
Naw, I think card generation really is ridiculous.
What are you losing to right now? Because off the top of my head one of the only real contenders for nerfs that i didn’t mention and also generates cards is something like Dragonbane Shot in Hunter. If you can’t find a way to beat a midrange board based deck like mech mage then you are simply running a bad list
I’ll start with this so people don’t get salty, I made legend just like any other meta so my thoughts come from that climb.
so here are my thoughts on why I find this current meta just incredibly boring. First, I think it’s awesome that every class has a deck that can get you legend. It hasn’t been that way for a long time. I’m by no means calling out the meta for being “play this deck or lose”. Because I really believe that even DH doesn’t control this meta like decks have in previous meta’s. *looks at kaza Druid and discard warlock* <—just the biggest culprits that come to mind atm.
what I find boring is that there is just very little intelligence required anymore to simply make legend. It comes from the sheer amount of card generation there is now. It’s very hard to be punished any more if you make the wrong choice because even the wrong choice simply refills your hand of every mid range deck.
the only deck out there now that require any sort of thought process are death rattle priest and that just kinda sucks :/
There have always been easy-to-play legend-capable decks, a lot of players don't care about big brain plays and they need to be catered to as well.
And in my opinion there are plenty of difficult decks to choose from if you want a challenge. I got legend this time around with control Shaman, and it is not an easy deck to play.
But yes, card generation (in my opinion mainly card draw) is way too strong right now, which is compounded by how much inevitability exists. Too much draw should come at a tempo loss and a risk of running out of total deck value, but right now that almost never happens. Draw is so cheap that it's often better for tempo than not drawing, because you don't have to run high cost cards, and most decks have some inevitable win condition that ensures they win before fatigue.
I think its in a good place right now except DH. I'm playing quite a few decks at 2500 legend and having success with most. So imo this meta is pretty balanced (not DH) and its fun to play multiple classes!
I agree 100%, I made several decks in this expansion and at first I was enjoying it, but then I finally decided to create my Wild Reno Mage and my life changed, of course, there are some bullshit decks, but yesterday I played some games in standard and it's pathetic, always the same cancer decks, DH, DH, DH, Druid (every Druid deck is toxic, it's unbelievable, Guff shouldn't exist), DH, CW .. damn, what a pathetic mode, good luck to those who still play standard, I'll just be in the wild now.
card generation seems ridiculous right now because of how limited the card pool is at the moment. Nellie always seems to discover Mr. Smite, you’re liable to face 3 or more Gaias or Leviathans playing against Mech Mage or Mech Paladin, Druid gets to tutor and discover extra copies of their busted spells, etc…but none of this compares to how asinine DH is right now. Everything about their toolkit is disgusting and the way the devs are sitting on it (or “keeping an eye on it” whatever that means) is actively ruining this expansion. Nerf multi strike, nerf the hunter quest, nerf Guff, nerf Smite, and then adjust further in about 2 weeks as needed. Thanks!
can you share the reno mage list? i love reno mage and haven't played it in a year for sure
Naw, I think card generation really is ridiculous.
What are you losing to right now? Because off the top of my head one of the only real contenders for nerfs that i didn’t mention and also generates cards is something like Dragonbane Shot in Hunter. If you can’t find a way to beat a midrange board based deck like mech mage then you are simply running a bad list
Oh sh#t here we go again, same topics appear and appear every 2 days for like 5 years straight.