You might start by playing literally any deck in meta except priest and you countered them.
Any face deck, Reno Mage, Miracle Rogue, Jade Druid... even some offmeta stuff like Zoolock, C'Thun Druid or Anyfin Paladin... pretty much anything except Priests wins
I actually got closer to beating them with priest although I know it's an unfavorable match-up. Pirate Warrior is like 50/50, can work, but it's not consistently beating them. I lost two in a row with the so-called Renolock counter, Miracle Rogue, and believe me, I play pretty well the deck so it's not a piloting problem. No one can do something about the 5 mana potion polymorph.
Should have added that I lost 2 in a row with this so-called counter to renolocks. If they have the removal, I'm done. Unless I get a lucky Edwin on turn 2-3, the game seems to go to a 50/50 (they have the removal or not).
Play mid jade or aggro shaman and run a copy of bloodlust to burst them down once you have a full board. RenoLocks run a lot of board clears, so you have to bait those out while holding minions in your hand to refill the board with the next turn. They also only have blastcrystal potion as a single target removal to deal with anything that has 5+ health, so if you can force them to use it and then follow with another big minion they can have trouble dealing with it.
Play mid jade or aggro shaman and run a copy of bloodlust to burst them down once you have a full board. RenoLocks run a lot of board clears, so you have to bait those out while holding minions in your hand to refill the board with the next turn. They also only have blastcrystal potion as a single target removal to deal with anything that has 5+ health, so if you can force them to use it and then follow with another big minion they can have trouble dealing with it.
Aggro shaman doesn't do that well against them from my experience. Lost a tournament's semifinal to a Renolock and aggro shaman did worse than priest. It might have a better chance to win than priest, of course, but you need the burst I guess and also not them having a godlike hand. Midrange shaman is still untested against Renolock and I suppose it can win against them. Thanks for advice.
From a fairly high legend player (Top 300 in the current season), I have a 68% win rate against renolock (based on my aggro shaman and renomage winrates - 21/31 games won). If you just consider my winrate with aggro shaman alone, it shoots up to 71%.
I consider it to be an easy match up when playing either of those 2 decks.
I lost two in a row with the so-called Renolock counter, Miracle Rogue, and believe me, I play pretty well the deck so it's not a piloting problem.
You lost two? Oh sure it must mean it's bad then! Now seriously, either you got unlucky since 2 games are absolutely irrelevant or you don't play as good as you'd like to think. Based on 3191 games of Miracle Rogue vs Renolock, Miracle Rogue is heavily favored at 0.5884 win rate (VS) which means if you play it good easy ~70%+ wr vs them.
Renolock is barely Tier 3 deck that gets dusted by everything in the meta except Priests unless someone plays it like god (which sometimes happen, seen pretty high legend people with Renolock, but isn't on average).
Again, take literally any deck except CW and Priests and you are favored, if you fail in the long run you don't play good, if you failed for just a couple of matches? Might be bad draw, just keep playing.
Best counters atm are Miracle Rogue and Jade Druid probably, but again - almost everything beats it.
Legend player, surely I'm bad. Got to a tournament's semifinal and lost only to Renolock (without rogue) because the opponent had godlike hands (and I'm not even kidding, too bad I don't have some replays to prove). Probably the only normal hand that he had was against priest since I was close to victory yet priest is unfavored against them.
Also, I'm asking how you beat Renolock despite having the best answer every turn because I can pretty easily win with aggros if they don't have Reno and taunts or with miracle if they don't get Kazakus polymorph or blastcrystal. I doubt every meta deck has the upper hand against Renolock.
And again, I must be really bad that I can win against everything but Renolock. Either I'm unlucky or it's not as you say.
From a fairly high legend player (Top 300 in the current season), I have a 68% win rate against renolock (based on my aggro shaman and renomage winrates - 21/31 games won). If you just consider my winrate with aggro shaman alone, it shoots up to 71%.
I consider it to be an easy match up when playing either of those 2 decks.
Had only 1game with aggro shaman against Renolock and lost. Maybe I was unlucky that game and I rush up saying aggro shaman is not that good against Renolock, I don't know. I have heard Reno Mage beats them. Thanks for the comment
Renolock is ironically like Pirate warrior. In that if it draws the nuts you'll lose regardless of what deck you're using.
The most widely used Renolock currently are teched against aggro so Midrangy Jade decks seem to perform fairly well against them.
However I don't really understand why you'd want to counter Renolock since there's way more aggro decks out there than Renolocks. Like if you're going to counter Renolock you're typically way worse against Aggro.
Though I think Midrange Jade Shaman and Dragon Warrior are okay matchups against Renolock and stands an even ground against aggro as well.
Personally I play renolock myself, and I'm not teched against aggro which makes my Reno mirror matchups highly favourable. Results are in my signature. However the deck isn't easy to play and you get punished hard for not knowing what to mulligan and understanding tempo and win conditions.
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Renolock is ironically like Pirate warrior. In that if it draws the nuts you'll lose regardless of what deck you're using.
The most widely used Renolock currently are teched against aggro so Midrangy Jade decks seem to perform fairly well against them.
However I don't really understand why you'd want to counter Renolock since there's way more aggro decks out there than Renolocks. Like if you're going to counter Renolock you're typically way worse against Aggro.
Though I think Midrange Jade Shaman and Dragon Warrior are okay matchups against Renolock and stands an even ground against aggro as well.
Personally I play renolock myself, and I'm not teched against aggro which makes my Reno mirror matchups highly favourable. Results are in my signature. However the deck isn't easy to play and you get punished hard for not knowing what to mulligan and understanding tempo and win conditions.
It's just that I lost every game to them in 2 days. Not a single win which is frustrating because I won fairly enough against all other classes. So it's not really a problem with my plays as someone above suggests.
Also, how is your match-up against rogue? The post was made after losing 2 games in a row with rogue against them which is supposed to counter them. Yet, I don't really understand how rogue leave no chance to Renolock unless you get an early big VanCleef. 2 games is not much and I pretty much won until now the match-up with rogue, yet it was never easy to win. Even Reno Mage seemed easier despite having better tools to deal with rogue (in theory). Probably I should've just posted to the salt thread and avoid humiliating myself, but I just can't find a way to destroy this deck. Even when I win, it's not an easy win.
Sorry for the deep hatred for Renolock considering you're playing the deck. And thank you for the opinion. That's exactly what frustrates me the most about Renolock, the same thing as about Pirate Warrior. There may happen to be a game when it's just unstoppable.
I suppose it depends on which version of aggro shaman you run. I know tournament decks are different from ladder, but I can't really say how different the version I use Is from what you run there. RenoLock isn't a pushover, and it's not like I never lose to them, but I don't lose to them consistently.
Hit r6 at the beginning of the month with my Reno lock and proceeded to face 8 straight perfectly curved pirate warriors with mulligans 5+ mana and no Reno in sight. I was so tilted I haven't touched the deck since. Was even playing the version teched against agro, no combo. That's the breaks and this season it broke my warlock spirit into the infinite abyss of the open sea.
Renolock is ironically like Pirate warrior. In that if it draws the nuts you'll lose regardless of what deck you're using.
The most widely used Renolock currently are teched against aggro so Midrangy Jade decks seem to perform fairly well against them.
However I don't really understand why you'd want to counter Renolock since there's way more aggro decks out there than Renolocks. Like if you're going to counter Renolock you're typically way worse against Aggro.
Though I think Midrange Jade Shaman and Dragon Warrior are okay matchups against Renolock and stands an even ground against aggro as well.
Personally I play renolock myself, and I'm not teched against aggro which makes my Reno mirror matchups highly favourable. Results are in my signature. However the deck isn't easy to play and you get punished hard for not knowing what to mulligan and understanding tempo and win conditions.
It's just that I lost every game to them in 2 days. Not a single win which is frustrating because I won fairly enough against all other classes. So it's not really a problem with my plays as someone above suggests.
Also, how is your match-up against rogue? The post was made after losing 2 games in a row with rogue against them which is supposed to counter them. Yet, I don't really understand how rogue leave no chance to Renolock unless you get an early big VanCleef. 2 games is not much and I pretty much won until now the match-up with rogue, yet it was never easy to win. Even Reno Mage seemed easier despite having better tools to deal with rogue (in theory). Probably I should've just posted to the salt thread and avoid humiliating myself, but I just can't find a way to destroy this deck. Even when I win, it's not an easy win.
Sorry for the deep hatred for Renolock considering you're playing the deck. And thank you for the opinion. That's exactly what frustrates me the most about Renolock, the same thing as about Pirate Warrior. There may happen to be a game when it's just unstoppable.
With rogue, if you don't get the early GG van cleef, build 15 damage from hand damage potential and continually pressure on board just enough but don't exhaust yourself. When they jaraxuss kill them.
Also, the pirate package with rogue can pressure Renolock very quick to make bad plays to not fall too low in life total.
Obviously if you get conceal/auctioneer you are in nearly a godly position. Kazakus/Reno/jaraxuss are Reno's big plays. If a Renolock drops emperor they have combo and have at least 1 piece in hand. You need to stay above 20LT and race them at that point because the clock is ticking.
If kazakus is played they will guarantee take the 4 damage to all minions if available to deal with your auctioneer.
Both decks require heavy cycle and it's really who can cycle the best without putting themselves into a lethal position and waste resources. A lock even if it has 1- 1/1 minion on the board can easily turn that into 10+ damage. Sometimes you have to weigh the odds to use burn to protect your face or save it for a potential 2 turn lethal and take the risk based on Turn, hand size and what's been played. Odds a real thing in hearthstone and learning them will help you make more favourable plays in matches like the ones you mention.
Actually, I thought of the other solution to your problem if you really want to stick to Rogue- Tech in at least one copy of beneath the grounds and mulligan for it heavily. If you can get it out before they can use kazakus you pretty much ruin their whole game.
Any ideas, please?
Play mid jade or aggro shaman and run a copy of bloodlust to burst them down once you have a full board. RenoLocks run a lot of board clears, so you have to bait those out while holding minions in your hand to refill the board with the next turn. They also only have blastcrystal potion as a single target removal to deal with anything that has 5+ health, so if you can force them to use it and then follow with another big minion they can have trouble dealing with it.
From a fairly high legend player (Top 300 in the current season), I have a 68% win rate against renolock (based on my aggro shaman and renomage winrates - 21/31 games won). If you just consider my winrate with aggro shaman alone, it shoots up to 71%.
I consider it to be an easy match up when playing either of those 2 decks.
Renolock is ironically like Pirate warrior. In that if it draws the nuts you'll lose regardless of what deck you're using.
The most widely used Renolock currently are teched against aggro so Midrangy Jade decks seem to perform fairly well against them.
However I don't really understand why you'd want to counter Renolock since there's way more aggro decks out there than Renolocks. Like if you're going to counter Renolock you're typically way worse against Aggro.
Though I think Midrange Jade Shaman and Dragon Warrior are okay matchups against Renolock and stands an even ground against aggro as well.
Personally I play renolock myself, and I'm not teched against aggro which makes my Reno mirror matchups highly favourable. Results are in my signature. However the deck isn't easy to play and you get punished hard for not knowing what to mulligan and understanding tempo and win conditions.
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I suppose it depends on which version of aggro shaman you run. I know tournament decks are different from ladder, but I can't really say how different the version I use Is from what you run there. RenoLock isn't a pushover, and it's not like I never lose to them, but I don't lose to them consistently.
Play against me.
Hit r6 at the beginning of the month with my Reno lock and proceeded to face 8 straight perfectly curved pirate warriors with mulligans 5+ mana and no Reno in sight. I was so tilted I haven't touched the deck since. Was even playing the version teched against agro, no combo. That's the breaks and this season it broke my warlock spirit into the infinite abyss of the open sea.
Actually, I thought of the other solution to your problem if you really want to stick to Rogue- Tech in at least one copy of beneath the grounds and mulligan for it heavily. If you can get it out before they can use kazakus you pretty much ruin their whole game.
Aggro shaman crushes renolock. Unless they get a god draw they get fucked pretty hard.
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