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When the expansion released, you either craft the demon hunter deck or you pretty much don't win. 2 days later a nerf is pushed out that affects 2 rare cards that are dustable (the epic isn't dustable since it was given for free), and the legendaries you had to craft to play this deck are now worthless.

The change could've at least been announced to be a few weeks from now so you could at least have a chance to actually use the deck you just crafted.

When a nerf is done this fast it leads me to believe that the changes were ready to go and they had planned it in advance, since there was basically no time to play test the nerf, and we weren't even given time for the meta to settle to see how things pan out.

 If you craft any DH card its still playable.

 "playable" doesn't justify being crafted. I also don't like demon hunter's playstyle and the only reason I crafted the deck was because you needed to if you actually want to win, and did so thinking that i'd at least be able to play it for a couple weeks while the meta shakes out. So yeah, it feels like a pretty big bait and switch when it's nerfed < 24 hours after being crafted and the refund doesn't include the legendaries required for the top decks.

And maybe you're a scrub who plays incomplete decks, but people who actually want to play at legend (which is incredibly easy to get to now anyhow) and win don't play budget versions of decks

If you crafted a bunch of shit in the first 24 hours without waiting to see if it would actually be good, that's on you.

DH's winrate was already dropping by ~4% a day before the nerfs hit anyway.

You did not need to craft DH to win unless you're garbage, I was 8-1 against them with Highlander Mage before the nerf.

And if you can't figure out how to make subsitutions in a deck and just netdeck everything then honestly you shouldn't be spending money on this game. Legend is still less than 1% of players and is unnecessary to play, if you want to tryhard your way up on day 1 then accept the consequences of rushing shit.

 People crafted this stuff because it WAS good, there was no need to wait and see if it's going to be good. Never before has there been a surprise nerf 2 days after an expansion was released. I have crafted stuff at the start of the expansion before that turned out to be garbage a week later. I didn't complain then because that's 100% my choice. This is worthy of a complaint since this is basically a bait and switch. I was sold on a deck that was extremely strong, and it got 4 nerfs less than 24 hours after I crafted it. The normal dust refund policy is reasonable because even though you don't get refunded for all the cards you crafted to play the deck, you got to use the deck for weeks/months. In this case it's not reasonable since 2 of the 4 cards targeted for nerfs aren't dustable, the other 2 are only rare and not worth much, and we had almost no opportunity to actually play the deck we crafted before it got nerfed.

I also find it hard to believe you're 8-1 unless you're at the bottom feeder ranks. Are you even legend yet? It's easier than ever now to get to legend since the new ranking system (the ranks already go down to 6000+ in NA). If you're not then your stats don't mean anything since you're not playing against anyone remotely competitive.

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When the expansion released, you either craft the demon hunter deck or you pretty much don't win. 2 days later a nerf is pushed out that affects 2 rare cards that are dustable (the epic isn't dustable since it was given for free), and the legendaries you had to craft to play this deck are now worthless.

The change could've at least been announced to be a few weeks from now so you could at least have a chance to actually use the deck you just crafted.

When a nerf is done this fast it leads me to believe that the changes were ready to go and they had planned it in advance, since there was basically no time to play test the nerf, and we weren't even given time for the meta to settle to see how things pan out.

 If you craft any DH card its still playable.

 "playable" doesn't justify being crafted. I also don't like demon hunter's playstyle and the only reason I crafted the deck was because you needed to if you actually want to win, and did so thinking that i'd at least be able to play it for a couple weeks while the meta shakes out. So yeah, it feels like a pretty big bait and switch when it's nerfed < 24 hours after being crafted and the refund doesn't include the legendaries required for the top decks.

And maybe you're a scrub who plays incomplete decks, but people who actually want to play at legend (which is incredibly easy to get to now anyhow) and win don't play budget versions of decks

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I agree. DH's power level was clearly excessive, and you didn't need millions of players testing out DH decks to find that out - most players were already of that view during the card reveal season. Blizzard deliberately overtuned DH decks to entice players to buy the new set and try out the new class, with the intention of nerfing it quickly if necessary.

They must have already playtested the cards with and without the nerfs, and made a decision to launch with the unnerfed versions first, while fully expecting that there was a high chance that at least some of the nerfs would need to be implemented.

 We're almost back with the conspiracy theory... Come on... Be a little reasonable about it. Do you really think that anybody would have been stopped from buying if the cards had been printed with the post-nerf values (which BTW seem to be quite enough right now)??? I very much doubt it...

 

 I definitely would not have crafted 2 DH legendaries if the other 4 cards had been printed with the post-nerf values. And as for the other questions in this thread, I'd much rather they leave the broken meta for a couple weeks so you have some time to actually use the cards you JUST crafted, and for the meta to actually settle and for them to come up with a proper fix rather than have things constantly be in flux. And who knows how things will pan out, 2 days isn't even close to enough time to figure out what the meta is and what's OP and what's not. If a significant portion of the decks played shifted to double sac pact warlock, demon hunter might not be so hot anymore.

The fact the DH legendaries are still "playable" is crap, I don't craft cards because they're "playable" I do it because they're part of a T1 deck.

Like if they weren't trying to be scumbags about it, anything crafted in the past 48 hours should be dustable for full value, since we literally had no opportunity to actually use the cards.

When the expansion released, you either craft the demon hunter deck or you pretty much don't win. 2 days later a nerf is pushed out that affects 2 rare cards that are dustable (the epic isn't dustable since it was given for free), and the legendaries you had to craft to play this deck are now worthless.

The change could've at least been announced to be a few weeks from now so you could at least have a chance to actually use the deck you just crafted.

When a nerf is done this fast it leads me to believe that the changes were ready to go and they had planned it in advance, since there was basically no time to play test the nerf, and we weren't even given time for the meta to settle to see how things pan out.

They actually "doomswitched" your account to give you bad draws, so it's just you that's experiencing this.

It's a meme deck..

Frost nova mage beats pogo and most other decks. Their board is constantly frozen and you can hit face w/ the 7 RNG cards (hopefully some minions) you get.

Glyph.. nuff said

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I guess if you run Archmage Vargoth in the deck, get the 3 Claws + 2 you can already have in your deck - it would be very much worth it. 

You could essentially gain 10 attack and 10 armor and still have 1 mana left to play whatever.

 What does Vargoth have to do with claw?

Zola's not garbage... you can play a card and then play zola. You can't do that with Sath since it costs 9.

A win in play mode is worth about about 3 cents compared to buying the packs with real $. If you're playing solely for that "reward" then that's pretty sad.

Hell, you know what, if you make a video of you winning 30 battlegrounds games, I'll paypal you the equivalent of 100 gold ($1).

Band of bees is actually amazing.. so yeah..

Not in China it isn't. If you speak out against the government there you might just disappear.

I mean I guess that's the issue here, that you have no rights in china.