[Rank 45 Legend] SHAMAN EATER
- Last updated Nov 17, 2016 (Yogg Nerf)
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Wild
- 12 Minions
- 16 Spells
- 2 Weapons
- Deck Type: Ranked Deck
- Deck Archetype: Secrets Hunter
- Crafting Cost: 4480
- Dust Needed: Loading Collection
- Created: 11/12/2016 (Yogg Nerf)
- AlwaysFace
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Hello! This is my deck that I used to climb to rank 45 Legend this season with a 68% win-rate from Rank 5 to Legend. The deck is a hybrid build between a Mid-range Secret Hunter and a Face Secret Hunter. I have found is very effective against the meta as it does well against Shamans (65% win-rate) because of the aggression, but also well against slower decks like Control Warrior (100% win-rate) and Malygos Druid (~80% win-rate) because of the inclusion of Barnes and Savannah Highmane.
Astounding! Over 100k views - thank you so much everyone for the support. I really hope you enjoy climbing the ladder with this deck!
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I have written a guide to explain some of the match-ups. If there is anything I can do to improve my guide, I would love the feedback.
- I have added card explainations and replacements below.
- Video playthrough added as well.
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***Guide***
In general, you will want to fight for the board early and gain a huge tempo swing on turn 3 or 2 with Cloaked Huntress and a Secretkeeper on board. Make good trades early on, then in the mid-game, switch to full on face mode and burst them down with Quick Shot, Kill Command, Unleash + Leeroy, etc. Make sure to squeeze in your hero power in later turns until you are ready to finish them off.
***Shaman***
This is actually a pretty good match-up. Mulligan for Secretkeeper, Kindly Grandmother, Freezing Trap, and Cloaked Huntress. If you have a good hand, sometimes a Quick Shot is a good keep to kill their Tunnel Trogg if you go first.
Going first, ideally you will play a Secretkeeper, followed by a freezing trap to remove their turn one Totem Golem or Tunnel Trogg. Freezing trap is still a very strong play against a Totem Golem even without a Secretkeeper on board. Going second, do not play a Secretkeeper against their turn 1 Tunnel Trogg because it will likely be killed when he drops his Totem Golem.
In the mid-game, look to play Secretkeeper, but avoid playing Cat Trick until the opponent has used the coin if you went first, as he will probably coin, Bloodmage, Maelstrom or coin lightning storm later. After the Shaman has used a board clear or two you are good to go. Going second, you can play coin, Huntress, Cat Trick because the opponent will probably use a spell before he can clear your board (Turn 4 earliest with lightning bolt then lightning storm). Around turn 5 or 6 you need to start going face because you WILL lose the board to board clear into 0 mana 5/5. Avoid playing your Highmane unless the opponent has already used a hex, which he likely will not have done.
You can generally ignore the healing totem and 1/1 totem (unless you suspect it is a totem shaman or a flametongue would really hurt your board), but ALWAYS kill the spell damage totem unless you have lethal next turn. You should still make good trades if the opportunity presents itself in the mid-game, but most attacks should go face. Don't be greedy in your trades and try to keep as many 4+ health minions as you can to avoid Lightning Storm. Leeroy + Unleash is a good finish as the opponent will probably have a lot of totems. Don't forget to play around a potential Bloodlust - killing a 1 heath minion could be the difference between victory and defeat.
***Druid***
Malygos Druid is a really good match-up for us. Keep Secretkeeper, Cat Trick, Kindly Grandmother, Cloaked Huntress, and with a good hand Freezing Trap and Animal Companion. Push for face as fast as possible in this match-up - if it goes beyond turn 10 he will overwhelm you with 0 mana 8/8s and 16 life gain (Feral Rage).
Cat trick is and excellent turn 2 play as the opponent will probably Wild Growth, giving you a 2 mana 4/2. He will try to remove your minions with Living Roots, Wrath, Swipe, etc., so just try to kill him as fast as possible. Always kill Fandral, Azure Drake and Emperor, and try to play around Swipe. He might get insanely lucky with his innervates and there is nothing you can do about that.
***Warrior***
Control is a very good Match-up for us, but Pirate not so much. Mulligan for Secretkeeper, Kindly Grandmother, Cat Trick, Cloaked Huntress, Animal Companion, and if you suspect control warrior, Savannah Highmane, as it is very hard for a warrior to remove is entirely on turn 6. Control is another race to the face match-up. Kill them before they can get their insane 4 armor per turn with Justicar. Don't play too many minions at once, but if it is turn 5 and you have a couple deathrattle minions that will leave stuff behind, then you can continue to flood the board. avoid popping these deathrattles to guard against brawl.
Against Pirate Warrior, just hope that they don't Upgrade their Arcanite. Race them for face damage, and make trades that will limit their damage output while not hurting yours too much. Avoid taking too much damage with your Eaglehorn Bow.
Against Dragon Warrior, just fight for tempo. Do your best not to fall behind on the board and get a good cloaked huntress to swing the game in your favor.
***Mage***
Tempo mage is a tough match-up, as they can sit there and avoid your Explosive Trap to burst you down with spells/Flamewaker. Keep Secretkeeper, Kindly Grandmother, Cloaked Huntress, Eaglehorn Bow, and Quick Shot. Fight for the board in the early-game, and ALWAYS remove Sorcerers Apprentice, Flamewaker, and the 3/2 spell damage one. An explosive trap can be good to remove the 3/2s if they decide to attack, but a lot of the time they wont, so you'll have to be ready to remove them yourself. Either win the board and kill them quickly, or kill their threats and out-value them as they run out of cards (which they tend to do).
Against Freeze Mage, just go face and save your spells til lethal. Don't run your resources too low, because if you run out of cards after you pop their ice block and you have no board, Alextraza can heal them and put an 8/8 on the board. Pretty easy match though, just be aggressive.
***Hunter***
Race to the face. Keep Secretkeeper, Kindly, Huntress, and Freezing, Cat, and Bow if you have a good hand. They will probably be a secret hunter, so play around their traps, checking one by one. If you suspect Cat Trick, avoid casting spells until you know you can handle a 4/2 on the board. Your goal is just to kill them faster than they kill you, so in the mid-game, most everything must go face.
***Warlock***
Zoo is a really bad match-up, Renolock is good. Always keep explosive, and the usual SK, KG, and CH, but also Unleash if you have a good hand but do not have explosive. Try not to let Zoo take the board - they will overwhelm you quickly with Councilmen, Doomguards, and Defender of Arguses.
Try your best to fight for the board and make good trades. Watch out for soulfire and Doomguard. Always kill Malchezaars Imp and Darkshire Councilman. You can afford to use your freezing trap liberally because finding a good target will often be very difficult with their plethora of 1/1s. Use explosive trap to clear as much as possible, but don't be too greedy - 3 minions is plenty usually. Also watch out for Defender of Argus, who can raise two minion's health above 2 to play around Explosive Trap, so try to set threats to 1 health. Go face after turn 5ish because you cannot hope to control the board most of the time.
Against Renolock, burst them down and hope they don't have Reno. Sometimes you can get a turn 5 lethal before they can even play reno.
***Rogue***
Free win. Keep the usual SK, KG, CH, and also Quick Shot, Eaglehorn Bow, Cat Trick and Freezing Trap. Kill them quickly, use a freezing trap on Tomb Pillager or Azure Drake, kill SI7 with Quick or Bow. Avoid playing Highmane if you can because Sap is such a strong tool against it. Rogues are beginning to cut Sap, but better safe than sorry for now. Watch out for turn 2 8/8 Edwin (which I faced 3 times on my climb) and hope for a freezing trap.
***Paladin***
Mostly Anyfin Pallys. Normal mulligan SK, KG, CH, Cat Trick, Animal Companion. Don't overextend because they will clear your board with Equality + Pyromancer, but try to kill them quickly. They have a lot of healing with Forbidden Healing and Ivory Knight, which can make the match tricky. Just try to kill them before they can heal.
***Priest***
LUL Priest. Probably Resurrect or Dragon. Against Resurrect, get Freezing Trap to shut down Injured Blademaster + Resurrect, and kill Priest of the Feast ASAP, otherwise they will heal 6+ virtually every turn. Another one just to kill fast.
I do not have any personal experience against Dragon Priest, but I have been informed that it is a bad matchup. I would mulligan for the usual cards, as well as Freezing Trap. They will try to play on curve, so try to get the biggest tempo swing you can out of your Cloaked Huntress and never look back.
***Card Explanations***
- Why no Snipe?
Snipe is a card that is too easy to play around for most classes. Shamans and Rogues will drop Thalnos to gain card advantage, while Druid will drop 0 mana 8/8s and Ragnaros, also gaining them card advantage. It doesn't do direct damage so it is a worthless late game draw.
- Is Tracking really that good?
Yes. Yes it is. The ability to basically "discover" the perfect card in your deck for your situation and get rid of the cards you no longer need for such a marginal mana cost late in the game is irreplaceable. So many games have been won due to a Tracking topdeck on turn 8+.
- Is Leeroy Necessary?
At the end of the game, doing damage to face is all that matters, and Leeroy does a really good job of this, especially when paired with Unleash the Hounds. If you want the deck to be optimized, craft Leeroy.
- Why no Ragnaros?
Ragnaros is ultimately too slow for this deck, as most games will be over by about turn 8 anyway, and dealing 8 damage to a random enemy for 8 mana is worse than dealing 13 damage to the opponents face with 2x Kill Command and Quick Shot on turn 8.
- Why keep Highmane then?
Highmane is dropped at a point where you will need to be putting as much damage on board to set up for lethal as possible. Even if the enemy kills it on turn 6, you will probably sill have 2 2/2s left over to deal 4 face damage and the enemy just spent his turn dealing with the Highmane instead of healing or clearing the rest of your board. If he doesn't remove it, that's just 6 more damage to his face the next turn. This is included to beat slower decks like Warrior and Druid. You need to play faster cards against Shaman usually unless you have the board or you have no other options.
***Card Replacements***
- Quick Shot
Wolfrider is the best replacement card for Quick Shot available to Hunters. Keep in mid that this is very sub-optimal, and will reduce the value of Barnes.
- Leeroy Jenkins
You can sub in a Wolfrider or an Argent Commander for Leeroy if you do not have him. Do NOT under any circumstances use Reckless Rocketeer. The card has horrible stats for its cost - only 5 attack for 6 mana. Wolfrider at least gets a 1:1 Damage/Mana ratio, and Argent Commander gets a divine shield that increases survivability greatly. Argent Commander is also better with Barnes.
- There are no replacement for Karazhan cards, as the whole deck revolves around Cloaked Huntress.
***Deck Showcase***
or have 1 tiger and 1 highmane instead.
Just hit legend with this deck after from rank 5 after ~200 games. Stats: http://i.imgur.com/BBb3NKu.jpg (doesnt count a ~10 win differential from phone play). The decklist is probably the best it can be for the current meta, I tried a few decks in the ~100 game climb from 10->5 by replacing argent riders/tracking with either deadly shot, fiery bat, hunters mark, or rag but none of them are as good.
The reason this deck is working is because there are actually very few decks running taunts right now, most matchups rely on board clearing combos/spells but the "deathrattle: summon a minion" effect combined with 2 mana 4 dmg cat trick gets around this. I'd say this deck is the current best deck for pushing to legend, mainly because the average game is 8 turns and it's rather easy to tell if you can win by turn 5-6.
Few more notes for matchups:
Shaman: the way this deck works against shaman is that you have to push just enough damage into their face through minions/weapons/secrets before the thing from below's come out, setting you up for lethal with a combination of hero powers, quick shots, 5dmg kill commands, and maybe lucky leeroy+unleash the hounds combos. The notes about leaving healing totems/fire totems alive is correct - you should almost never be trading your damage/charge/weapon swings onto board. If shaman gets to turn 7 with >15 health it's probably over. Just remember that shaman doesn't actually have that much damage in early game, they just develop "okay" boards each turn and never allow you to develop yours through AoE clears. In other words leave tunnel trog alive and quickshot their face.
Hunter: the absolute most important thing is to mulligan for secretkeeper. It denies almost all hunter openers. The only exception to this would be keeping an eaglehorn bow if you are going 1st (this dodges the panther that could come from quickshotting the 2/3 secret keeper). Don't keep freezing trap as it's too slow and generally gives away a panther, and be very aware of the tempo swing from playing explosive trap -> triggering opponents cat trick. I'd say cat trick and freezing trap are actually better mulliganed off. I learned the importance of secretkeepers the hard way (my worst matchup was going 4-13 against hunters) after a few games that left me starting like this: http://i.imgur.com/XwPngTq.jpg
Anyfin Pally/Freeze Mage - Sometimes this happens: http://i.imgur.com/iJ7nyC4.jpg. You need to mulligan for your instant damage / deathrattle summons because they have super cheap board clears.
Tempo Mage - it is hard to make the call when to start pushing for their face. Secretkeeper isn't that great unless you get the CH+2-3 traps turn 2 perfect topdeck, but even then it tends to just die to arcane blast immediately after you play it. It's rather difficult to clear a flamewaker so sometimes it's better to just let it stay alive and hope you draw better damage. Try to save unleash the hounds for the endgame push. Most games against mage I won by unleash+leeroy combo against their 4 minion board, combined with lucky boar pulls + panthers + kill commands dealing the initial damage.
Rogue truly is the easiest class to play against, sometimes they'll barnes into malygos into 2x sinister strike + eviscerate, nothing you can do but in general just play standard and you'll win.
A less-talked about aspect of this deck is the mindgames involved, I've won games with shamans sitting on 4 minions for 3 turns straight fearing an explosive trap when it was actually freezing. There's a little metagame involved in this, with the timing/speed at which you play your hand.
What card do you think that can be removed to put a flare, i'm having a lot of troubleswith ice blocks and other secrets. :/
Just made Legend with this deck from rank 7 over the past two days. Great deck, stressful at times to just go face, but that is how you inch out a win. The only change I made was I included RAG and took out one Highmane. My Highmane's got Hexxed 100% of the time. With Rag at least I got a shot off for 8 dmg and Rag did win me several games I should have otherwise lost thanks to the RNG gods!! Great deck!!!
bro could you help me reach legend? I am 2 on wild and 3 on standard but I m desperate I won t make it in time, I would appreciate for a lifetime man
After 47 games, I have the exact winrate, and 8-2 vs shamans, great deck
10 games vs Shaman and 1 win ez deck. I played at rank 7, 6 30+ games against Shaman, with other decks, and i lost 23+ of them, i hate this ladder. Every game i play against Shaman, i lose. THX BEN BRODE.
I went on 3 accounts from 20 to rank 10 within 5 days, playing like 1.5 hour per day. Its not like i couldnt do it with another deck, i did it a few times before, but not as quick. And since im lazy i just chose the easy way this time. Great deck!!!
2 things:
1.In all those 30 ranks i made i met only 5 shamans...i won 3-2. I guess the facerollers are further in the ranks
2. I lose pretty all games to tempo mage...they also have always, yes fucking always perfect openers...Wyrm, Sorcerers Apprentice, Cult Sorcerer and then Flamewaker...turn 6 im done...(last season a did this fast climbs as Tempo magee too xD)
All in all a great deck
I wonder what Blizzard feel after they made this kind of Shaman meta where beating shamans equals getting legend :D
As for the deck, it's wonderful, had 5-0 with it so far, not only Shamans. Have my upvote good sir.
I had a stress, then played this deck, went 14-1, reached Rank 5, life is good again!
Hey everyone, I just wanted to highlight that this deck is the single best counter to Shaman out there. I have close to an 85% win rate against them. Whenever I queue up against Shaman, I look at it as pretty much a free win. I just put together a video compilation of playing against Shaman's to teach you how I do it. Lots of commentary. Hope it helps you. Thanks Alwaysface for putting this deck together.
Helped me climb from legend 1000 to legend 350. Thanks! Still climbing!
Tried it, not bad against all except for Priest, Priest can easily win against this deck.
Edit: It's been 2 days for me with this deck, took me till lv 7, the chances of winning against Shaman is not over 50%, but you still have a chance to win and that's what count, worst match up is Priest as far as I know.
2x Toads over 2x Grandma's, and 2x Infested Wolves over 2x Trackings - what do you think about this? I feel like Grandma's don't do enough damage and cannot kill totems, and as for tracking i really dislike this card. The way i see it, this Secret Hunter is a mix between face and midrange and i chose more turn 4 plays over 2x Tracking. I've also played your original list, and i really can't tell which one i like more, yours or mine. I hope this comment gets noticed as im really curious about your thoughts on that.
I had the same feeling about Grandma's, it's great with the massive removals, but quite slow in a lot of cases... i don't know..
Thanks for the deck, I got an uninterrupted win streak from rank 15 to rank 10 with a modified version of this deck.
what did ya modify?
Man, this deck is crazy. I wish I knew of it before I wasted all my money on tavern brawls playing shaman. This deck destroys midrange shaman, tempo mage and control warrior. Feels bad man.
You shoud do easly to read thing about what we should keep in hand or what we should look for :)
As great as this deck maybe from rank 5 to legend, at rank 20 it really isnt very good :P