[Top 5 NA Legend] LOKShadow Reno Warrior
- Last updated Apr 18, 2016 (Explorers)
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Wild
- 19 Minions
- 8 Spells
- 3 Weapons
- Deck Type: Ranked Deck
- Deck Archetype: Unknown
- Crafting Cost: 15920
- Dust Needed: Loading Collection
- Created: 11/15/2015 (Explorers)
- LOKShadow
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Hi all!
I'm back with my second ever deck submission to Hearthpwn. I'm probably best known for my Dragon Warrior post, but with the first expansion wing out and many different Reno Jackson decks, I wanted to contribute my spin on it in warrior. I just hit rank 4 NA legend with it in the mid-season (11/15/15).
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My initial thoughts on Reno Jackson is that it's a really well designed card that promotes deck builders to include underutilized cards and diversifies the card pool. It's a fun answer to many of the aggro decks to be able to drop on turn 6 and fully heal (especially useful vs face hunters and aggro druids). To make it consistent vs aggro to enable a full heal, I've gone the route of making the deck entirely 1 copy of each card. I know there are those that will disagree and argue that Deathsbite is too good to cut or the shield slam/execute, but I've tried to equalize the number of removal options with Bouncing Blades and Crush against the control matchups and Gorehowl to make up for the reduced weapons. I can work on developing another guide if there is demand for that, but I encourage people to check out my stream/youtube for instructional gameplay. Enjoy! =)
twitch.tv/lokshadow
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Update: This deck just got featured on Trolden!! (starting around 2:40)
Strategy/Mulligan Guide
A lot of strategy is standard to CW and also discussed in depth in my Dragon Warrior guide, but I will try to go over some of the new meta match-ups here.
Warlock
Mostly 2 variants at the moment with Peddler Zoo and Reno Handlock. Against Zoo, you will want to mulligan for those early removal like slam, war axe, bash, deathsbite, etc. If you already have prior knowledge that it is Zoo then I don't mind keeping Reno because that heal and 4/6 body will definitely do some work. Use the weapons efficiently and try to save removal for doomguards, Dr. Boom, Malganis and bait into a good value brawl or revenge (sometimes you will rather save armor gain cards until after you've reached <12 health). Deathwing can be dropped generally if they have almost an empty hand or have used up their taunts (2 voidwalkers and 2 argus). Against Handlock, I still prefer the never hit face strategy to not allow moltens and just focus on board control. Mulligan for BGH and exec for those early giants and as usual keep weapons. The focus will be maintaining board control and playing out the late game. Getting Justicar down really helps make warrior beefy and tough to kill. Cycle cards and Ysera are important to keep from getting out-cycled and Harrison is ideally saved for Jaraxxus to help you find that finishing burst. Deathwing is a hard reset to the board but always bait out the BGH first with Dr. Boom, Baron Geddon, or Grom.
Warrior
The first thing to figure out in a warrior match is if they are Patron or Control. Generally if you see early armorsmith plays, weapon equips, reluctance to armor up, shredder, etc. then they are more likely to be Patron. In my mulligan, I will generally keep brawl as a back up in case it is Patron, weapons, Harrison, and Justicar (for the control matchup). If it is Patron, feel free to use your card cycle liberally, save AoE in mind for patrons, and Harrison that deathsbite. Save removal in mind that most Patron lists run bigger threats now like Dr. Boom, Grom, and possibly Rag. Against Control, hold as much of the card cycle as possible unless you absolutely need to search for an answer (this means using slam to kill 2 health minion, not dropping acolyte, not using shield block, and potentially holding back Harrison). Acolyte is not necessarily a dead card because you can always try to feed it to their Sylvanas. The mirror is really about getting Justicar early and using removal efficiently. You have the same number of removals despite not having 2x shield slam and 2x execute, so you just have to be smart about optimizing the usage of bouncing blades and crush. The matchup is won in fatigue since it is hard to pressure without Alex but their Alex value is negated by your Reno.
Mage
Freeze mage is even more easily won now with both Justicar and Reno negating even the effect of their Alex. Just keep removal in mind such that there isn't an unanswered Emperor or Antonidas. Tempo mage is won when they run out of gas. They can have some pretty explosive starts that are tough to deal with though. I mulligan for early removal like weapons, slam, bash and depending on the strength of my starting hand may want to keep the brawl/revenge as a back-up. Save armorsmith/task for the mirror entities and Reno for full healing value. Be mindful of the mana curve of when they will drop Dr. Boom or Antonidas so you are prepared to answer that (this could potentially mean saving brawl for one more turn for example if you can afford to). Eventually they will just run out of steam and succumb to that tank up value from Justicar.
Hunter
Reno is so good for this matchup, especially if it is Face, that I keep it in my opening hand. Against Face you will want to mulligan for early removal weapons, task, armorsmith, slam (for juggler), bash, revenge, etc. Against Midrange you can afford to mulligan for slower cards like Emperor. Baron is MVP against Midrange since the effect can clear hyenas from highmane and most of their minions. Be smart about when to trigger traps, especially if they are sitting on a bow charge. If there is no reason for you to attack, sometimes it's just about preserving your own health and building it up with Justicar/Reno rather than setting up lethal yourself.
Druid
I always keep Reno against druid since the aggro version can often put you down to <10 health by turn 6. This is one of the reasons to only run 1 copy of all cards such that Reno can always be played on turn 6. Against midrange combo, Reno is really great for putting you out of range while not blocking out all of your mana for that turn either! I mulligan for weapons and execute for those early innervate plays and keep revenge in case of aggro since many of their minions are 1 health. The usual suspects such as slam and bash are good keeps too. Getting that Emperor drop on turn 6 is one of the key ways for warrior to catch back up on mana after wild growth starts. Always be mindful of their combo reach! Gorehowl + Reno combo is insane for the mid- to late-game!
Paladin
Secret paladin is still a tough matchup depending how they curve out. Mulligan for weapons, armorsmith, acolyte, and early removal and try best to save AoE like brawl/revenge for full value (brawling after triggering all secrets or saving revenge for full 3 damage effect). Reno can have a big impact on this matchup as well. You have some more interesting removal options such as having a 3 mana crush when you have a damaged minion for hard removal of Tirion for example. Try to save Harrison for the assbringer if possible but don't be afraid to take the 2-3 card draw from muster if your hand absolutely has no answers! Deathwing can also be a big savior when they go all-in. Midrange/Reno Control has been becoming more popular too, which if you have prior knowledge that it is not secret paladin, you can be greedier with mulligan keeps such as hanging on to Harrison/Emperor. The fatigue game can be won if you can grind out their removal (usually 1x equality, 1x BGH, 2x aldor) before dropping the Deathwing clear. The Justicar hero power can make warrior so durable that paladin doesn't have enough time to finish off before fatiguing out.
Rogue
Reno has also helped this matchup since it just puts warrior even more out of range of the rogue burst. Mulligan for weapons and bash early on to deal with 3 health minions and key cards like Emperor, Reno, and Justicar. Always play to minimize the effect of sap (Emperor, Dr. Boom, shield maiden, etc. are examples of "unsappable" targets). Many rogues have been playing with assassin's blade so keep that in mind if you have better plays other than Harrison (saving it for that greedy blade is a good idea). Try to keep the board clear at all times to prevent tinker oil value. Loatheb can be used to stall a turn when you don't have a direct answer to their board, and Deathwing can be used as a last resort board clear when they push all-in.
Priest
Warrior is favored against both Control Priest and Dragon Priest since it just runs more threats than they can answer. Mulligan for weapons, exec, and brawl and be wise about when to use that removal (keep in mind that Ysera will always be something to answer). Play out the armorsmith and acolyte early to get value before turn 6 cabals. Bait out the mid-game brawl (which will happen since priest really doesn't have burst so they need to build up a sizeable board to pressure the warrior). Justicar just wins the fatigue game and makes warrior impossible to kill for the priest. Always keep the shrinkmeister/cabal combo in mind if you are planning to drop belcher or Ysera and have a back-up removal in case that happens (otherwise don't play it and just tank up pass). Gorehowl also gets a lot of value and helps deal with those 5+ health minions.
Shaman
Shaman has not been a very strong class lately, but the two main types are mech aggro and midrange. Against aggro you want to mulligan for weapons, armorsmith, slam, bash, etc. to deal with early board and whirling zappos. Hang on to Harrison for the doomhammer if you can afford to since it will be coming. Know that they often will play fel reavers, Dr. Boom, and Ragnaros so be prepared to answer those (for example save hard removal and bait out for a value brawl or revenge such that you have removal for big threats). The mulligan is similar against midrange but you can afford to play greedier such as Emperor on curve rather than shield maiden since they have less burst. Try to use weapons to remove smaller threats and save the removal for fire elementals, Dr. Boom, etc. Using brawl and Baron Geddon can also save some of that valuable hard removal for more efficient targets.
Replacements
The most commonly asked question is what Deathwing can be replaced with. While the effect is quite unique, you can consider another big threat such as Nefarian, Alex, Rag, etc.
For those of you who have doubts on Deathwing's uses, please check out my DEATHWING Youtube playlist:
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLAnBSJNmgfIeAatpymYOqRvXvcgmEg1TM
Concluding Remarks
The brief guide is by no means comprehensive, and I think the best way to learn the deck is to learn by experience and from watching the stream/past broadcasts. I post highlights to my youtube channel as well! Enjoy and may the ladder be ever in your favor! =)
Updates
I just updated the list as follows:
-1 Acolyte
-1 Shield Block
-1 Sylvanas
+1 Deathlord
+1 Brann Bronzebeard
+1 Iron Juggernaut
The reasoning behind these changes are to improve some early game presence vs aggro with Deathlord and Brann while also improving the fatigue game vs midrange/control decks with less card cycle/dead cards and the Brann/Iron Juggernaut combo wombo. Sylvanas is slow vs aggro and often a liability in the mirror match where it can steal an acolyte.
I just gathered up enough dust for another legendary, I already have slyvanas, alexstrasza, justicar, and grom. Which legendary should i craft next, especially against this aggro meta, Dr. Boom or Baron Geddon? (or would you recemend crafting a different one?)
Dr. Boom is used in most other decks while Baron Geddon is only used in Warrior for the most part, so I would recommend Dr. Boom first.
Hi, LOKShadow.
My first legendary was DEATHWING and I love it. With Reno Jackson, you show us how to play Deathwing. I have a question for replacement. All cards available except for Harrison. I believe every single replacement affect deck different way and need different approach. Your advice is so important.
Which one should I choose?
sylvanas, nexus-champ saraad, hogger, ragnaros, alexstrasza or one of all "adventure legendaries".
By the way, is brann+juggeraut combo wouldn't become more powerful with alexstrasza?
Hi Zulakreyn,
Glad you like playing with Deathwing! =) In general, my card substitutions will be to maintain the mana curve, so if I take out a 5 drop like Harrison, I would substitute another 5 drop like Saraad which is actually more powerful against all non-weapon classes. If there was room to fit in Alexstrasza, certainly it would be very powerful for the Brann+Juggernaut combo or even just Grom+activator. I'm not really willing to cut Ysera or Deathwing for it though (and those are the only cuts I would make to fit in Alexstrasza). Hope this helps! =)
Deathwing can be replaced with Nefarian or Alexstrasza and Harrison can be replaced with abomination, healbot, bomb lobber, etc.
Hey man! Cool deck!
Do you have any easy replacements for Iron Juggernaut?
You can swap to the previous version with Sylvanas and then maybe acolyte, shield block, or fierce monkey instead of Brann.
Hi there, great deck!
Quick question, does Arch-Thief Rafaam have a place in this deck? I'm trying to find a place for it, but can't decide what to take out for it. Shieldmaiden maybe? Or do you think it isn't even worth it. I just feel like the guy is made for fatigue warrior!
Thanks!
Hi Smootacriss,
I tested -1 Ysera/+1 Rafaam and have had a couple games won with Rafaam, but overall I find that the change weakens the deck. The main reasons are that Rafaam is killed by BGH and that the card you get from Rafaam costs 10 mana. Compare that to Ysera which can potentially net you some very powerful low-cost mana cards and isn't easily removed by BGH. Definitely do not make this list any heavier on the mana curve by taking out shieldmaiden! You could also potentially test out -1 Deathwing/+1 Rafaam. Hope this helps! Unfortunately my internet sucks right now while I'm traveling, so I haven't been able to fully test out any new revisions, so all I can do is theorycraft with you. =P
Thanks for the response! I kind of came to the same conclusion on the card as well, the 10 mana card was way too clunky. By the point i'd need it, the game was pretty much already decided from other cards. Always worth playing around with at least; fun card!
Hey LOKShadow!
your deck is awesome! I might have crafted 3 legendaries for it, in the first version I crafted geddon and deathwing, and today I crafted iron juggernaut. I main Warrior, so yeah, but I always found this deck to not be successful in high ranks, I dont know why. I seem to get stuck at rank 15 when I use it, so im forced to play aggro decks. I really don't know whats up with this, I am familiar with tons of decks, and I practice a lot with it, im just not successful at all. I dont know if you could give me some tips to reach lower ranks. Thanks!
I know you updated your decklist, so maybe you should change some of the guides on the classes, talking about acolyte isnt right if you removed it.
Hi Stir_fry, glad you like the deck! As far as performance in a more aggro meta, I would suggest changing some tech cards. The idea behind updating the original deck list was that there were some control decks/mill decks that were out-lasting me in fatigue, so that's where the brann + iron juggernaut combo came in. However, this combo isn't useful against aggro decks (similar with some cards like bouncing blades which is good vs control but bad vs aggro). There are also some considerations with new cards like Elise which can convert "useless" cards into potentially useful legendaries for those fatigue matches (and also pads your deck with extra cards in fatigue). Here are some suggestions to think about:
-1 bouncing blades/+1 unstable ghoul: better vs aggro
-1 shredder/+1 Elise
-1 Brann/+1 acolyte or shieldblock
-1 Iron Juggernaut/+1 healbot
-1 Loatheb/+1 abomination
These will probably help against aggro but will lose to stuff like double entomb priest and some other control decks. There's always a trade-off in how you build the deck. I tend to prefer teching to dominate vs control or vs aggro rather than middle-of-the-road, but that's always a personal choice and the fun aspect of deck-building (decisions!)! Best of luck to you! =)
thanks for your help! Ill try to make your deck work more for me by following your piece of advice, and I appreciate the time you took to answer my post.
have a great day
-Stir
This deck got obsolete really quickly. It's wildly inconsistent. Netted me 9 losses in a row, most of them the game was decided by turn 5 due to the fact that I got no playable cards. No early game drops besides Armorsmith and Cruel Taskmaster. Armoring up isn't enough to keep up and hold the board against Tempo Hunter or Dragon Priest.
I'll pass for now.
By Tempo Hunter do you mean Midrange Hunter? That is usually a tough matchup for any CW, but Dragon Priest should be a free win! If you're struggling on this matchup I'd recommend checking out my Youtube where I have many example games vs Dragon Priest.
I'm playing a similar list with Zombie Chow and Fierce Monkey. Can't say the latter has done a lot and I'll probably sub it for tazdingo, but having a 1-drop really helps against faster decks.
-Juggernaut
-Crush
-Brann
-Loatheb
+Zombie Chow
+Senjin Shieldmasta
+Cleave
+Sylvanas
edit: subbed shield block and monkey for cleave and tazdingo, seems to be working much better
Well Hearthstone's about having fun so I'd say that's a success! =)
Agreed that the meta is very fast right now with many brain-dead decks. I have been favoring echo molten mage at the moment to counter those who do not wish to think.
There has been some discussion of tech cards throughout this thread, but if you are facing lots of secrets classes then yes, kezan may be an appropriate tech choice (you see Reno handlocks have been teching in kezan as well). Other tech choices may be mctech and healbot against aggro, but these decisions significantly weaken the control matchups (if you're cutting shredder for kezan for example or loatheb for healbot). A lot of these decisions are really up to you if you feel more comfortable having these tech cards and feel that it will improve your overall win rate!