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    posted a message on 80g Quest Trading - Play A Friend! (#7)

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    posted a message on [70%WR to Legend]31-13 Budget Aggro Secret Paladin

     I appreciate giving credit to my deck. I would love to hear why you decided to cut the crystology, brazen zealot, and beaming sidekick package, especially when they are pretty cheap too. I can see why you included dread corsairs (I even suggest running this instead of rhyssa in my version as a replacement), blessing of might, spellbreakers, additional copies of noble sac and redemption, but candletaker seems a little odd to me. I guess it would be a great redemption target but beyond that I can't really understand why you choose to use it.

    As for your comments on my deck, I agree spellbreaker is definitely a good substitute if you are facing a lot of nzoth priests, but I don't really understand why you found ziliax to be a bad card, it's very good in board centric matchups and has synergy with pretty much all secrets. I found snip snap to be a little too slow to make the cut, but I can see you promoting it for the magnetic synergy with ziliax, i actually did run both in my old version.

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    posted a message on Mysterious Secret Pally

    I agree actually. I didn't even use this deck to climb to rank 5. I have found from my personal experience that any deck based on secrets (hunter and mage too) doesn't work after rank 5 due to players knowing better exactly what secret to expect at any given moment so they play around them better. For example, from my experience I have found pure secret hunter (non-highlander) to be the best deck overall in like ranks 15, whereas it's garbage on rank 5, similarly, highlander hunter's power level also decreases as you go up the ladder for the same reason (although it's definitely affected less than pure secret hunter).

    There is also a similar story regarding aggro decks as well, in lower ranks people tend to just play their aoes/removal without thinking much about it but when you go up the ladder you can see people actually holding back them for better value.

    So both of these factors lead me to believe that while this deck is very good in lower ranks, it's power level heavily decreases as you go up the ladder, but I can't really confirm that theory since I haven't had the opportunity to play this deck in ranks above 9.

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    posted a message on Mysterious Secret Pally

    It's true that mysterious challenger is definitely the mvp in the deck but I have played this deck enough to know that you can definitely finish out games even before turn 6 mostly thanks to secretkeeper and brazen zealot. For that reason, your ideal preys are midrangey decks that don't have a lot of early options (like quest shaman, quest druid, highlander hunter).

    The control matchups on the other hand are problematic, and nzoth priest is unfortunately pretty popular, it's by far the worst matchup for this deck (worse than control warrior), even though you can try running tech cards like spellbreaker for that matchup you will mostly lose, it's just due to the nature of the game, control beats aggro.

    Also I can definitely say that this is a hard deck to pilot as far as aggro decks go since there are many factors to this deck. Firstly, unlike other aggro decks, this doesn't have a lot of card draw/generation, so you need to be aware of your resources and learn how to use them. Secondly, you need to learn and play to the strengths of your own secrets, they are actually pretty valuable to secure some wins it's all about expecting how will your opponent react to the secrets you play according to the board state. And thirdly there are some details that are spesific to the matchups that you need to be aware of (like playing around certain removal cards, expecting and playing around secrets, playing around mc tech in certain matchups etc.).

    For a full matchup guide you can also refer to pre-mysterious challenger version of the deck.

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    posted a message on Mysterious Secret Pally

    Ur think ur being smart editing your dumbass comment to something else to make me look bad? Try again.

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    posted a message on Mysterious Secret Pally

    Sword of kings is just a horrible card, don't run it in ANY deck.

    Immortal prelate is once again a meme-tier card, you don't want to run her in this deck since it's initially a 2 mana 1-3 (which is horrible) let's say you give it the 2 health buff from beaming sidekick, you shuffle it, draw it, and... it's still horrible. You just don't want to run her in any aggro deck since running her is just a big investment that you make for the late game. There are some control type of decks that make use of her. Some variations use undatakah and give him taunt and lifesteal (undatakah keeps the upgrades too after it gains immortal's deathrattle) to constantly shuffle him back into your deck, and there are some other variations that just buff the prelate too.

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    posted a message on Mysterious Secret Pally

    I used to sometimes run him in my old version for the memes, but that is just what it is, a meme-tier card. It would significantly hurt the decks win rate and there are many problems with him. First of all, if you draw him in your early turns it's just a horrible 5 mana 5-5 that will sit in your hand until you run out of pretty much everything. Secondly, going with the warlock example, quest/plot twist warlock is a control type of deck that try to run you out of resources while completing a quest, and only then they play the rafaam to get 0 mana legendaries with the hero power and close out the game (not to mention it's a sub 50% winrate deck), whereas this deck is very aggresive and looks to finish games as early as by turn 5-6, so if it comes down to playing Liam to get the win that means you already lost. Thirdly, your average legendary sucks (especially when you don't get them for 0 mana).

    If you got liam and desperately want to use him, I recommend playing control paladin with hakkar at the top end. After you play hakkar and got it's deathrattle off you turn the corrupted bloods into legendaries. It's a pretty good deck against control warrior (you gotta wait for them to play elysiana until you play hakkar though, also control warrior is getting less and less popular everyday), but of course sucks against pretty much anything else (i suppose it can be good against nzoth priest too which is pretty popular right now).

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    posted a message on Mysterious Secret Pally

    I added ziliax for board centric aggro/midrange matchups and he is really good in those but I figure if you are running into nzoth priests a lot spellbreaker is definitely a good substitution. As for redemption, I found out that you can't really afford to avoid hero powering or playing less imporant minions if u have mana for it, so most of the time your opponent can easily trigger redemption on a bad target, whereas the divine shield from autodefense matrix is mostly really good in board centric matchups, especially when your snowbally minions get better (for example it's better to get a divine shield on a 3-4 secretkeeper than resurrecting her as a 1-1). It's the same deal with noble sacrifice too hence the one copy. But at the end of the day secret choices are all preference really, as long as you dont run eye for an eye or repentance

     

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    posted a message on Mysterious Secret Pally

    I don't like the fact that everytime someone comments something negative like this on a deck they get downvoted. It's natural for people to dislike some decks, but I would appreciate if you talked about what did you not like about the deck other than just saying that you didn't like it

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    posted a message on Mysterious Secret Pally

    I found pretty much any card above 6 mana too slow for the deck, but good for you if you found success with him

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    posted a message on Mysterious Secret Pally

    no, you can replace her with dread corsair

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    posted a message on Aggro Secret Pally

    Checked your profile. You have literally posted wild mech hunter, which is a tier 1 aggro deck, so fuck outta here with your hypocrite aggro gatekeeping. Not to mention it is not your original idea, but you conveniently don't mention that don't you? I also looked through rest of your original decks that you posted, and honestly, anyone with a half functioning brain can tell that they all suck ass, running garbage cards like bonemare like it's KotFT and golakka crawler like pirates are some hot shit right now.  So not only you are a hypocrite, you are terrible at the game, and that's the reason why your original deck ideas doesn't gain any traction while this deck does you jealous piece of garbage.

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    posted a message on 80g Quest Trading - Play A Friend! (#7)

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    posted a message on Aggro Secret Pally

    I don't use any sort of deck tracker myself so I don't know my own exact win rate, but I wouldn't recommend playing this to reach to legend there are definitely much better decks out there to climb.

    On the other hand, the deck gained enough popularity that it's data is on hsreplay right now and it's sitting at 52% win rate in 1400 games according to them, which is decent since anything above 50% means you can climb with it to some degree but still, my point holds true: if you want to climb, there are definitely better decks and archetypes out there.

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