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Yeah I got a total of 5 legs in 63 packs

If you have 4 bodies on the board and this is played it's fucking game. Even 2 bodies can hurt. Also imagine a Tundra Rhino being in play. Fucking stupid burst damage. With all these added beasts, that Rhino might actually see some play. 

getting 63 packs in total like a lot of people and will get the rest with gold. I'm also getting like 25k dust from the nerfs so I can craft anything I want. 

A total of 13k dust profit for saving these cards for disenchant. Holy crap was it worth not hitting the button. THANK YOU KRIPPARIAN!!

Better give rogue a board clear or they are fucked big time. This isn't even being over dramatic. Without Blade flurry, or any kind of board clear, rogue will fall to every aggro deck, and lack against mid range decks big time. 

Yes!! That's the spot! I can taste the dust, it's so good. 

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Ironforge Rifleman cries in a corner. What did he do to deserve this? But wait... a glimmer of hope. The enemy hero is at 1 Health! Locked and Loaded!

Entomb, Polymorph, Hex or a silence are the main huge counters I can think of. With Big Game Hunter getting nerfed we are also going to see a lot more of these cards. It's a good card, but I don't think it's insane. You also have to think of the possible dragons that are going to be in your hand. You can't run too many big dragons unless the meta slows down a ton. So maybe this guy and Ysera? Chances are low you'll get too much value from him. Most likely you'll have an Azure Drakecome out, still not too bad. 

Don't overhype cards. This card is decent, but not meta defining. 

Entomb, Polymorph, Hex or a silence are the main huge counters I can think of. With Big Game Hunter getting nerfed we are also going to see a lot more of these cards. It's a good card, but I don't think it's insane. You also have to think of the possible dragons that are going to be in your hand. You can't run too many big dragons unless the meta slows down a ton. So maybe this guy and Ysera? Chances are low you'll get too much value from him. Most likely you'll have an Azure Drake come out, still not too bad. 

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Can someone actually explain this card to me lorewise? People do not seem bothered by it?

edit. what i mean by that is.. well, we have two deathwings now, whats the difference,

keep in mind ben brode stated that only ragnaros will get the 'reverse side' treatment

1. Master of Disguisse: Stealth only stay 1 turn

2. Preparation: 2 Mana discount

3. Blade Furry: Only minions

4. Sap: 3 mana

5. Force of Nature: No charge

6. Savage Roar: 5 Mana 

7. Ancient of Lore: Draw 1 card or restore 4 health

8. BGH: 7 damage to a 7+ attack minion 

9. Knife Juggler: 2/2

10. Lepper Gnome: 1/1

11. Battle Rage: Does not affect ur hero and 3 mana

12. Divine Favor: 5 mana 

13. Giants: 7/7 or alterated mana costs

14. Silence Nerf

Nerfs may change but im prety sure that they would be related to those cards

I totally agree here!

Who needs lore when you can warp it for badass cards? 

Time for a Alexstrasza that flat out MURDERS everything! 

Combos are a part of card games.  Combo archetypes, are one of the main ones. When I say combo, I mean combo is the win condition...something that most of the deck is geared towards.  Usually...stall, stall, stall.......combo death.  

Seems most people hate combo decks more than any other.   Patron warrior...nerfed.  Miracle Rogue...nerfed.  Freeze mage...nerfed previously (admittedly this is my most hated deck of all time).  These are true combo decks.  Druid's combo is just a form of burst damage...but it is a minion mid range deck for the most part.  

Anyways obviously due to community response which is very negative, Blizzard has responded repeatedly again and again, and will do so in the future as well.  So those who don't like combos or combo decks, welcome to Hearthstone your paradise.

 If you exclude Freeze mage and Combo druid, the only combo decks at the moment are Murloc paladin and maybe mill decks? I think against both you can try play aroud do smart plays and not smart plays. Of course if they draw good and you bad youll lose, but that goes for about any matchup.

Why do you count Control warrior as combo deck? Isnt it more a consistent stream of removal? And i think Control warrior has quite a lot of counters, combo druid all kinds of paladin to start with. Even though the matchups are not unwinable i definately would define them as counters. The pros queue in this decks against CW for a reason. 

To the topic: I enjoy creative deck ideas, therefore i generally enjoy new combo decks. The most boring games for me are the ones, where every player just plays a minion on curve, which are ultimately also mostly decided by draws (who has Dr.7 and who doesnt). Of course after 4 months the murloc paladin is not the most exciting to play against any more, but still i think combo decks should be part of the game just to bring diversity in the game (not only tempo games). 

That's why I don't have a problem with decks that aren't 100% pure combo.  Combo Druid, Freeze mage (it's really a hybrid combo/control).  If Murloc paladin proves vulnerable to aggro then include them.  Again, the main problem with C.Druid/F.Mage in my book is that they don't rely on expansion decks so unless we mess with Classic, we'll never move on from them.  Decks should come in, power through Standard for 2 years, then move on to Wild or dramatically change.  Fatigue warrior really has little to do with control warrior beyond both being late game: their win states are even different.  Zoo, I'll let blizzard decide but it really is dramatically different from what it was back in Naxx.  

ANY game type that is overdone gets boring.  It's just that when a pure combo deck shows up that's exactly what we see.  Note that nothing was done to Secret paladin yet and we still see moer tournament variety than during the Patron days.

there aren't any decks that are fun to play against...
losing to a Zoo, a Tempo Mage, a Control Warrior is just as 'unfun' as losing to a Combo Druid or a Patron Warrior.

I don't see any problem with the Combo Decks as long as they don't exceed the winrate of other decks.

Secret Paladin is a deck that needs to be looked at, not Combo Druid.
Blizz already did a horrible mistake by nerfing Patron Warrior, which resulted in the swarm of Secret Paladins on the ladder.

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They've come and gone, distant memories now. Patron warrior, Miracle rogue, soon to be Murloc paladin. Now with druid combo dying in about a month, and blizzard has spoken about their hate for freeze mage. I don't understand the hate Blizzard has for such an amazing part of every card game. The only decks I've ever really fell in love with have been combo decks. The community seems to love these decks, (they play them a lot).   

They're extremely fun to play, satisfying to win with, but maybe annoying to lose to. Lets be honest, it's never fun to lose no matter what. Turn 6 lethal from that shaman or hunter? That control deck taking you to turn 25, for them to finally take it from you.

What do you guys think? Are combo decks bad for hearthstone? Or is blizzard making a huge mistake for their anti combo stance? 

 

 Combo decks are odd.  They are incredibly interesting..to play AS.  You have a lot of plan and think about and get a lot of satisfying payoff. It's extremely uninteresting to play against them, though.  The issue is in how you fight against them vs other decks.  Against aggro, the solution is in your tech.  Carry healing, efficient removal, and/or a good Tempo curve and you can stand up against aggro*.  Against Control you build for aggression or force inefficient trades from them or go the fatigue route and drag the game out with them.  Both work.

*yes, there' God Draws where everything they have works perfectly, but that's not a typical game and it's in the nature of card games.  Your deck, if it doesn' suck, also has that God Draw. Otherwise, though, it works ad described.

True Combo decks, with the only exception being control warrior, don't really have a counter.  It's mostly about whether they have the cards they want or not. They win by drawing a lot of cards then playing them all at once.  As such there's not much in the way of disrupting them unless their hand is bad, anf if it IS bad you just win.  Note that in other games, Combo HAS counters.  MTG has the ability to disrupt an opponent's play so if they play their "I play this miion AND WIN" you can cast a card to not allow it to be played.  Thus Combo can be dealt with via tech.  HS, not so much.

Note that Druid isn't a true combo deck: not a pure one.  Thus it's not as painful to play against, even if it's painful to have to always keep your health high and you get the occasional "doesn't matter what you do, I win" situation.  Note that Druid's biggest problem, and why they are targeted, is NOT due to their nature but due to their reliance on Classic.  It ignores the format system and, thus, will NEVER *EVER* go away in Standard. Combo Druid can be beat, and isn't unstoppable. but we don't want to play it for the next 10 years.  Freeze mage is somewhat in the same boat.

Old Patron is an example of a proper combo deck, and in that, and Miracle of before, you can see how devastating the deck can be to the meta.  HS (the mechanics I mean) just can't handle a true Combo deck.  And given that Tempo serves the same purpose in the archetypes (Combo traditionally kills aggro and dies to control, which our Tempo decks currently also do..at least when they aren't wielded by Paladin) I'mnot sure Blizzard is wrong in moving away from Combo.  Besides, when a class has a STRONG deck it means they can't change, since adding any good cards risks getting fed into the current deck and, thus, making it overpowered.  This is WHY Druid and Rogue have bene getting shafted in past expnasions.  

So overall, Combo is a deck type that isn't fun to play against, even if you win, and quickly overwhelms the meta.  A deck can have combo elements in it (Combo Druid would be fine.. if Savage Roar was a TGT card) but a 100% true combo deck just doesn't fit here.

If Combo dies, they can join the club I'm in of "decks you like but know you can't lay here."  I personally prefer 'lockout' decks: decks that kill your resources and cards untl you literally can't do anything.  You don't see it often in card games, and it's fu nas hades for me but its' for the best it can't be done here.

 

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They've come and gone, distant memories now. Patron warrior, Miracle rogue, soon to be Murloc paladin. Now with druid combo dying in about a month, and blizzard has spoken about their hate for freeze mage. I don't understand the hate Blizzard has for such an amazing part of every card game. The only decks I've ever really fell in love with have been combo decks. The community seems to love these decks, (they play them a lot).   

They're extremely fun to play, satisfying to win with, but maybe annoying to lose to. Lets be honest, it's never fun to lose no matter what. Turn 6 lethal from that shaman or hunter? That control deck taking you to turn 25, for them to finally take it from you.

What do you guys think? Are combo decks bad for hearthstone? Or is blizzard making a huge mistake for their anti combo stance? 

 

One of my favorite cards. I use it in my druid deck.

I just went into a game with my RNG spell mage against an enemy mage they used a gadgetzan jouster first turn and pulled up malygos out of my deck and insta conceded

Suck it blizzard, just suck it!  Everyone of priest's legendaries  suck ass because they are all situational.  They are either ok at best or sh*tty as f*ck at worst:  Prophet Velen (provides no immedate value, can't be played on turn 7 or it eats a bgh and u lose, can only be used in a gimmicky OTK Priest), Vol'jin (can be used to get a big minions health against control, but if they are playing any type of aggro, this card is beyond sucky{and its not like the meta is always aggro, right?}), empress paletress (RNJesus is this card inconsistant!, has to be played at 9 mana and prayers must be made to ensure u dont get a nat pagle or lorewalker, or any number of the crap legendaries u can think of, which there are plenty, believe me, I tried the hardest to make this legendary work) and Last but surely LEAST, this new crap legendary, Herald Volajz.  Whoever at Blizzard thought this sh*tty version of a faceless manipulator would be good has got to put the crack pipe down.  All these cards require the priest to have board control to use effectively, which is a 50/50 proposition at best.  

Just why am I b*tching about priest legendaries on this new rogue legendary thread?  Glad you asked!  Reading these forums regularly, as I tend to do when new cards are droppin, no one bitches more about their cards than rogues (hunters are a close second), and they have no reason to be b*tching.  Priest would kill for ANY of the great legendary tools rogue gets:  edwin van cleave ( imagine priests getting a 6/6 for 4 mana!) trade prince galywix( big dude with tons of health who keeps your opponent from castin spells?  Sign me up!), anubarak (Infinite value......Need I say more?), and finally this new card, which dovetails perfectly with raptor rogue, which is going to be THE DECK THAT TAKES OVER THE META.  Mark my words, N'Zoth will see to it!

Priest has always been a bad matchup for rogues, going all the way back to the 1st miracle decks, but now it will be DOWNRIGHT F*CKIN IMPOSSIBLE TO BEAT with priest.  Its going to be a worse matchup than freeze mage vs control warrior, so in conclusion:

SUCK IT BLIZZARD!  SUCK IT LONG, SUCK IT HARD!  SUCK IT!