This is my opinion about this matter. I've watched 12 win by Adwcta where he did use cheap minions (like with battlecry summon ability) and he just didn't play around Flamestrike (and similar removals). As a general rule of thumb, if you think that you'll lose if the game last too long (because your curve doesn't have at least two decent 7+ and decent 4-6 drops) then it makes sense to play aggressively no matter what.
If you have a good chance of winning the game if the game lasts long (your deck is more mid to late game deck) than playing around board removals makes a good stance.
Playing around Mind Control Tech... i sometimes do, sometimes don't... I don't meet it too often, if I have 3 weak minions on the board and I think that the opponent could take board advantage next turn, I'd play more than 3 minions. I didn't notice that Adwcta plays around MCT, btw.
I'll start: - if playing against a Mage, good idea is to try to make him use his hero power (ping you) on turn 3 - if playing as Mage pick some cards which draw (or discover) new cards since you want a late game advantage
Emanon, what do you mean by being best in terms of drafting?
I've tried now all 3 and this is how it looks to me:
Arenavalue.com - positive: nice it has a software to scan the screen, has recordings while you play so you can see detailed stats with/against various classes; negative: only uses a tier list, tier list not of very good quality
HearthArena.com; positive: highest quality suggestions, seems to have highest number of active users (so many newbie users on arenavalue recently), negative: no software, user interface quite bad
ArenaDrafts.com; negative: slow autocomplete, not very good suggestions, lowest internet traffic out of these according to the alexa
In overall, I think I might switch to HearthArena because it has better quality suggestions, it seems.
I'm using ArenaValue and some people I've seen here are using ArenaDrafts.
ArenaValue can scan the cards from the game (screen) and also automatically can create replays (in the background while I play). Still it doesn't calculate at least for me yet stats against other classes. (just stats for my classes) and I have to manually enter the score and rewards. But it looks better with more features.
Deck has 30 cards, out of which 5 cards have duplicates (20 cards are unique, 5 cards have 2 copies each). If you draw X cards from the deck (without returning), what is the probability that there are at least one duplicate remaining in the deck?
I've asked it at Math Stackexchange forums, no solution yet. So if you are good in math, you could try:
Rogue and Mague are trying to control the board (if not all other classes) and against them at least it is a useless minion. I would not put it in the deck. This deck doesn't look it can reach very far. What lvl are you?
This deck was very bad for me at lvl 18. Played 3 games won only one. I have much better luck and enjoyment playing my Warlock Reno-Thun or RogueThun deck (made from the cards I have).
This is my first post and I hope I'll enjoy participation in this forums - greetings travellers ;-).
I'm trying to run budget Warclock Reno-Thun deck (from what I've have, and I don't have much since I'm playing this game only for few months). I'd like to get some opinions how to improve it.
BTW, I don't have a Flame Imp, Twisting Nether, Doomsayer, Sunfury Protector, Disciple of C'Thun or Defender of Argus, to name a few.... So what I should take off this deck (and why), what I should craft and what could increase a sinergy of this kind of deck (I'm running 2 copies of some cards which are good for this kind of deck, I know that it means that Reno will not work sometimes).
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I'll start:
- if playing against a Mage, good idea is to try to make him use his hero power (ping you) on turn 3
- if playing as Mage pick some cards which draw (or discover) new cards since you want a late game advantage
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Emanon, what do you mean by being best in terms of drafting?
I've tried now all 3 and this is how it looks to me:
In overall, I think I might switch to HearthArena because it has better quality suggestions, it seems.
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I'm using ArenaValue and some people I've seen here are using ArenaDrafts.
ArenaValue can scan the cards from the game (screen) and also automatically can create replays (in the background while I play). Still it doesn't calculate at least for me yet stats against other classes. (just stats for my classes) and I have to manually enter the score and rewards. But it looks better with more features.
Is ArenaDrafts for something better?
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Congrats! IMHO, It's currently one of the best legendaries in standard!
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Hi Demon, for X = 20, your formula brings
3.5242e+13 (calculated both using Google and http://www.online-utility.org/math/math_calculator.jsp using program factorial(20)*(30 - 20 + 1)/759375 so it cannot be correct.
Anyhow, I wrote a simulator running 1.000.000 draws for each and these are result
run:
dupes: 1 after 0 draws: 1.0
dupes: 1 after 1 draws: 0.933556
dupes: 1 after 2 draws: 0.868941
dupes: 1 after 3 draws: 0.806376
dupes: 1 after 4 draws: 0.747271
dupes: 1 after 5 draws: 0.690546
dupes: 1 after 6 draws: 0.633979
dupes: 1 after 7 draws: 0.581959
dupes: 1 after 8 draws: 0.53067
dupes: 1 after 9 draws: 0.483209
dupes: 1 after 10 draws: 0.437141
dupes: 1 after 11 draws: 0.394054
dupes: 1 after 12 draws: 0.351466
dupes: 1 after 13 draws: 0.312669
dupes: 1 after 14 draws: 0.276126
dupes: 1 after 15 draws: 0.241859
dupes: 1 after 16 draws: 0.210011
dupes: 1 after 17 draws: 0.179521
dupes: 1 after 18 draws: 0.15211
dupes: 1 after 19 draws: 0.12599
dupes: 1 after 20 draws: 0.103396
dupes: 1 after 21 draws: 0.082392
dupes: 1 after 22 draws: 0.064671
dupes: 1 after 23 draws: 0.048126
dupes: 1 after 24 draws: 0.034291
dupes: 1 after 25 draws: 0.023397
dupes: 1 after 26 draws: 0.013742
dupes: 1 after 27 draws: 0.006916
dupes: 1 after 28 draws: 0.002266
dupes: 1 after 29 draws: 0.0
dupes: 2 after 0 draws: 1.0
dupes: 2 after 1 draws: 1.0
dupes: 2 after 2 draws: 0.990737
dupes: 2 after 3 draws: 0.973382
dupes: 2 after 4 draws: 0.948451
dupes: 2 after 5 draws: 0.917332
dupes: 2 after 6 draws: 0.881778
dupes: 2 after 7 draws: 0.84101
dupes: 2 after 8 draws: 0.79501
dupes: 2 after 9 draws: 0.747132
dupes: 2 after 10 draws: 0.696297
dupes: 2 after 11 draws: 0.645217
dupes: 2 after 12 draws: 0.591844
dupes: 2 after 13 draws: 0.538574
dupes: 2 after 14 draws: 0.484606
dupes: 2 after 15 draws: 0.434041
dupes: 2 after 16 draws: 0.382035
dupes: 2 after 17 draws: 0.333323
dupes: 2 after 18 draws: 0.285571
dupes: 2 after 19 draws: 0.240801
dupes: 2 after 20 draws: 0.199964
dupes: 2 after 21 draws: 0.161191
dupes: 2 after 22 draws: 0.125403
dupes: 2 after 23 draws: 0.095299
dupes: 2 after 24 draws: 0.068376
dupes: 2 after 25 draws: 0.045288
dupes: 2 after 26 draws: 0.027562
dupes: 2 after 27 draws: 0.013867
dupes: 2 after 28 draws: 0.004468
dupes: 2 after 29 draws: 0.0
dupes: 3 after 0 draws: 1.0
dupes: 3 after 1 draws: 1.0
dupes: 3 after 2 draws: 1.0
dupes: 3 after 3 draws: 0.998011
dupes: 3 after 4 draws: 0.992522
dupes: 3 after 5 draws: 0.982558
dupes: 3 after 6 draws: 0.966682
dupes: 3 after 7 draws: 0.945082
dupes: 3 after 8 draws: 0.918457
dupes: 3 after 9 draws: 0.884458
dupes: 3 after 10 draws: 0.844917
dupes: 3 after 11 draws: 0.80032
dupes: 3 after 12 draws: 0.751074
dupes: 3 after 13 draws: 0.698854
dupes: 3 after 14 draws: 0.642542
dupes: 3 after 15 draws: 0.582894
dupes: 3 after 16 draws: 0.523018
dupes: 3 after 17 draws: 0.462345
dupes: 3 after 18 draws: 0.403288
dupes: 3 after 19 draws: 0.343451
dupes: 3 after 20 draws: 0.287204
dupes: 3 after 21 draws: 0.234236
dupes: 3 after 22 draws: 0.185705
dupes: 3 after 23 draws: 0.141079
dupes: 3 after 24 draws: 0.10202
dupes: 3 after 25 draws: 0.068317
dupes: 3 after 26 draws: 0.041108
dupes: 3 after 27 draws: 0.020788
dupes: 3 after 28 draws: 0.006975
dupes: 3 after 29 draws: 0.0
dupes: 4 after 0 draws: 1.0
dupes: 4 after 1 draws: 1.0
dupes: 4 after 2 draws: 1.0
dupes: 4 after 3 draws: 1.0
dupes: 4 after 4 draws: 0.999411
dupes: 4 after 5 draws: 0.997301
dupes: 4 after 6 draws: 0.992525
dupes: 4 after 7 draws: 0.983774
dupes: 4 after 8 draws: 0.970548
dupes: 4 after 9 draws: 0.951401
dupes: 4 after 10 draws: 0.925989
dupes: 4 after 11 draws: 0.893102
dupes: 4 after 12 draws: 0.854319
dupes: 4 after 13 draws: 0.808881
dupes: 4 after 14 draws: 0.756053
dupes: 4 after 15 draws: 0.69941
dupes: 4 after 16 draws: 0.636926
dupes: 4 after 17 draws: 0.572941
dupes: 4 after 18 draws: 0.504666
dupes: 4 after 19 draws: 0.436951
dupes: 4 after 20 draws: 0.369247
dupes: 4 after 21 draws: 0.304083
dupes: 4 after 22 draws: 0.242134
dupes: 4 after 23 draws: 0.186284
dupes: 4 after 24 draws: 0.135092
dupes: 4 after 25 draws: 0.090688
dupes: 4 after 26 draws: 0.054927
dupes: 4 after 27 draws: 0.027418
dupes: 4 after 28 draws: 0.008984
dupes: 4 after 29 draws: 0.0
dupes: 5 after 0 draws: 1.0
dupes: 5 after 1 draws: 1.0
dupes: 5 after 2 draws: 1.0
dupes: 5 after 3 draws: 1.0
dupes: 5 after 4 draws: 1.0
dupes: 5 after 5 draws: 0.999758
dupes: 5 after 6 draws: 0.998821
dupes: 5 after 7 draws: 0.996275
dupes: 5 after 8 draws: 0.990904
dupes: 5 after 9 draws: 0.98189
dupes: 5 after 10 draws: 0.96742
dupes: 5 after 11 draws: 0.946467
dupes: 5 after 12 draws: 0.91888
dupes: 5 after 13 draws: 0.88311
dupes: 5 after 14 draws: 0.839479
dupes: 5 after 15 draws: 0.787805
dupes: 5 after 16 draws: 0.728849
dupes: 5 after 17 draws: 0.663354
dupes: 5 after 18 draws: 0.591684
dupes: 5 after 19 draws: 0.520459
dupes: 5 after 20 draws: 0.44367
dupes: 5 after 21 draws: 0.369267
dupes: 5 after 22 draws: 0.295879
dupes: 5 after 23 draws: 0.228781
dupes: 5 after 24 draws: 0.167059
dupes: 5 after 25 draws: 0.112817
dupes: 5 after 26 draws: 0.068366
dupes: 5 after 27 draws: 0.03434
dupes: 5 after 28 draws: 0.011542
dupes: 5 after 29 draws: 0.0
dupes: 6 after 0 draws: 1.0
dupes: 6 after 1 draws: 1.0
dupes: 6 after 2 draws: 1.0
dupes: 6 after 3 draws: 1.0
dupes: 6 after 4 draws: 1.0
dupes: 6 after 5 draws: 1.0
dupes: 6 after 6 draws: 0.999903
dupes: 6 after 7 draws: 0.999304
dupes: 6 after 8 draws: 0.997746
dupes: 6 after 9 draws: 0.993967
dupes: 6 after 10 draws: 0.986891
dupes: 6 after 11 draws: 0.97516
dupes: 6 after 12 draws: 0.956997
dupes: 6 after 13 draws: 0.931722
dupes: 6 after 14 draws: 0.897347
dupes: 6 after 15 draws: 0.854165
dupes: 6 after 16 draws: 0.801206
dupes: 6 after 17 draws: 0.739089
dupes: 6 after 18 draws: 0.669283
dupes: 6 after 19 draws: 0.592678
dupes: 6 after 20 draws: 0.512917
dupes: 6 after 21 draws: 0.429902
dupes: 6 after 22 draws: 0.34862
dupes: 6 after 23 draws: 0.271206
dupes: 6 after 24 draws: 0.198742
dupes: 6 after 25 draws: 0.135031
dupes: 6 after 26 draws: 0.081659
dupes: 6 after 27 draws: 0.041446
dupes: 6 after 28 draws: 0.01385
dupes: 6 after 29 draws: 0.0
BUILD SUCCESSFUL (total time: 3 minutes 9 seconds)
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Math related question
I've asked it at Math Stackexchange forums, no solution yet. So if you are good in math, you could try:
http://math.stackexchange.com/questions/1779193/probability-that-duplicates-are-still-in-the-deck-after-x-card-drawn
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Rogue and Mague are trying to control the board (if not all other classes) and against them at least it is a useless minion. I would not put it in the deck. This deck doesn't look it can reach very far. What lvl are you?
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This deck was very bad for me at lvl 18. Played 3 games won only one. I have much better luck and enjoyment playing my Warlock Reno-Thun or RogueThun deck (made from the cards I have).
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There are other possibilities to use Power Overwhelming.
1) Play Magma Rider (I don't have it in this deck), than power than Shadowflame
2) Dreedsteed - I don't have it
Thanks for your suggestion, I'll try some decks with Charge synergy.
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Hi guys,
This is my first post and I hope I'll enjoy participation in this forums - greetings travellers ;-).
I'm trying to run budget Warclock Reno-Thun deck (from what I've have, and I don't have much since I'm playing this game only for few months). I'd like to get some opinions how to improve it.
Warlock Cards:
2xMortal Coil
2xPower Overwhelming
1xPossessed Villager
2xDark Peddler
1xShadow Bolt
1xHellfire
2xShadowflame
1xBane of Doom
1xDoomguard
2xSiphon Soul
1xDoomcaller
1xRagnaros
Standard Cards:
1xJeweled Scarab
1xLoot Hoarder
2xBeckoner of Evil
1xArgent Horserider
1xSilent Knight
2xTwilight Elder
1xTwillight Drake
1xAzure Drake
1xReno Jackson
1xC'Thun
Currently failing...
BTW, I don't have a Flame Imp, Twisting Nether, Doomsayer, Sunfury Protector, Disciple of C'Thun or Defender of Argus, to name a few....
So what I should take off this deck (and why), what I should craft and what could increase a sinergy of this kind of deck (I'm running 2 copies of some cards which are good for this kind of deck, I know that it means that Reno will not work sometimes).