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Quote from geeza_butler >>not my main account bud, been playing for years and this game is just going downhill every expansion i remember when all classes actually stood even a chance against these dumb archetypes...
Oh, a second account just to complain?
Streets ahead, bud.
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The meta slaves on this forum will disagree with you and give you hate but I totally agree with you. I will never understand people that spam stuff like odd pally secret mage and odd rogue on ladder. Like, how is that fun? And screw “not having the emotional intelligence to understand people disliking deckbuilding etc” that’s complete bs. People that netdeck and say that dont have the general intelligence to build their own deck so they let someone do it for them and then post their legend picture or brag about their rank on Reddit like they accomplished something. And then they get so sensitive when people hate on netdecking like deckbuilding isn’t sort of the point of the game, and yet they cannot for the lives of themselves construct a deck even in a 3 card tavern brawl. Sad imo, they’ll never get to truly experience hearthstone at its greatest, Full of whacky combos and interactions. Let them be content with playing their sad deck a stranger constructed for them that lets them drag and click on a portrait every turn, we can have all the actual fun. Smd meta dependents lmao
This is like playing a pool tournament and complaining that your opponent is potting their balls whilst you are trying to slam trick shots.
If you want to dick around in Hearthstone you will probably have to play casual games with friends. Or get really, REALLY good to the point where you can make meme lists work to a reasonable degree (this is possible, just very hard in Hearthstone). But playing on ladder and expecting your opponents to play janky shit that the game clearly isn’t balanced to cater is mind numbingly stupid.
If you want to play ranked games with janky decks then you’re going to have to find another game which caters to it.
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Saying there us no skill involved is demonstrably false. It’s completely stupid and it’s cringey as fuck that people keep saying it. Playing the game consistently well enough the reach high legend takes a lot of skill, saying otherwise just makes you look bitter, weird and/or incredibly dumb.
Hearthstone is like autotune, it can make everybody sound okay, but if they cannot actually sing they’re never going to be the next [insert pop reference here]. RNG and the advantage gained by playing on curve means that anybody can win if they netdeck a refined aggro list. But they’ll only make high legend if they put a lot of time into learning every aspect of the game and current meta.
I can only assume that those who claim the game takes no skill, even at the highest level, are the ones benefiting from Hearthstones autotune the most. As anyone who actually understands the game would have no problems seeing the clear divide between players who are truly good and those who aren’t.
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Quote from TallStranger >>Quote from gravytrainvan >>Quote from TallStranger >>Yeah, play a pro and tell me there's no skill involved. Even in a mirror match, he/ she will beat you WAAAAY more than 50% of the time.
Whatever it takes to make you feel better about yourself.
just not true at all!
Yeah, pure luck is why the same players reach legend every month, the same core of pros win tournaments, etc. They're just luckier than you.
Some folks have a remarkable talent for self-delusion.
The old - but the same people reach legend. So WHAT? It means nothing except that they choose to grind away with the busted deck of the month club. Thats it. Yes, some clowns also use those same decks and dont make it. Oh well. They didnt draw the right matchups or happen to be truly terrible players - I mean like the worst of the worst. In a casino it does NOT always equal out. Sometimes people win a little more than others. The game takes no skill. C'mon. Drop that garbage argument. I beat "card-back" holders all the time. Big deal. They dont impress me anymore than a bronze player. Not at all. I win when I draw good & the match up is good and lose when I dont. Same as Legend players. I dilly-dally at D5 or slightly higher every season. I *could* grind it out but its boring to play nothing but Palabarf or Secret Mage. No thanks. Or Dark-glare Warlock. The play quality is NO different at all at D5 than at S5 or G5. Sorry, facts. Time to accept that and just realize that the game is setup so decks win games, not players. Another fact. Only the worst of the worst players actually lose games due to stupid plays. That happens at low bronze only.
Show me a true legend run with a home brew or NON-cancer deck from these eh-hem pros. Then I'll believe your theory.
I don't know who you're playing, but I can tell you I see a vast difference in the quality of play between Bronze and Diamond. As in night and day difference (particularly if you wait to start laddering until the middle of the month, when most of the really good players have already moved to the higher rungs of the ladder). At the lower levels, I see countless examples of horrible misplays, complete failure to anticipate my next move or read my hand, and an absolute lack of awareness of what his win condition really is vis-a-vis my deck. There is far, far less of that at the higher ranks.
And even if I granted you your absurd statement WRT legend, it wouldn't hold for the pros at all. Have you ever actually watched these guys play? Again, in a mirror match, they would beat you (and me) EASILY 65% of the time. Easily. Sure, we might get some lucky draws and win some games, but the quality of play wouldn't be close. They simply have more skill at the game than we do. You're like one of those guys who says "I could easily beat a poker pro. All you gotta do is know the odds." Sure, sometimes a no-namer wins a big poker tourney, but there's a reason many of the same guys end up at the final table, and it ain't luck.
And, yeah, I'm sure you beat "card back" guys all the time. Just like I believe your daddy drives a Ferrari, you're a secret agent, and your girlfriend lives in France.
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"Overvaluing gold cards as usual"
I gotta have a good meal.
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I'm not usually vocal about the cost of packs in Hearthstone, however I think the prices for these two bundles are just absurd.
At this point, I think Blizzard are just testing what they can get away with.
In Australia, the price of two golden legendaries and 10 golden card packs is almost $70. Last week I purchased a brand new game that I was highly anticipating (Subnautica Below Zero) from the PlayStation Store for under $50. That game has been in development for approximately 3 years.
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This is dumb. Yes I want to copy your deck and pilot it better than you. Duh.
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If you're going against the same decks over and over again, shouldn't that allow you to craft the perfect counter to those decks and win 80% of the time?
Since you're such a master deckbuilder and all.
Sounds less like an issue with netdecking, and more like an issue with you wanting to play suboptimal decks and losing a lot because they're bad.
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I don't know why people have this revisionist history where every match was a bout between two scholarly gentlemen who have spent hundreds of hours tweaking their decks with Mozart playing in the background.
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Either you have empathy and you consider whales as addicts, or you don’t and you call them idiots. Can’t be both.
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It looks like I'm in the wrong here about my experience today. I knew from the outset that there's plenty of reasons a person might take a while for their turns, and I could have just dipped out since it was casual and there wasn't really a reason not to. I guess I was just stubborn, and roping makes me cranky enough to complain here about it.
It's impossible to know/prove the motivations for roping, and it's not in good faith to just assumed they're doing it for BM.
That's my bad.
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Warrior as a class is one of my least played;
That being said this list is super cool, and would definitely motivate me to play it when I have the cards.
Favorited for that day.
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Just because they are empowered to rope others because the game lets them, doesn't make it an acceptable thing to do. It's a game where both people are expected to actually play it. If the guy was carefully thinking out his turns, I'd be able to tell. He would play all of his cards at the start of each turn and rope me out. He didn't even win, and wasn't in a losing position until the end of the game, so it wasn't even out of salt.
I consider it wasting my time because it's factually what's happening. If you don't have any plays left, end your turn. Is there something I'm failing to consider that justifies doing that?
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I'm writing this during a casual game where my opponent has roped me every turn.
They'll play their turn and just let it burn. It's so obnoxious. There's no room for this in the game mode where people go to relax.
I understand the fear behind a report feature being salty people losing games and reporting people who didn't do anything wrong.
But honestly I think letting jerks go and waste people's time is worse than reviewable reports against innocent people.
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This used to be a huge thing for me. When it comes to competitive games, I have really bad performance anxiety. It's sort of loosened up for me recently, since I've become more confident in my skills and deck knowledge.
I think what really got me comfortable in Ranked was really wanting that Golden Hero Portrait for Hunter (and later on, the 1k wins portrait), at that point I'd just play whatever I wanted in Ranked and take whatever W's I could, eventually I'd get to my goal. Every game I play may as well be in Ranked if that's what I want, right?
Of course I do play in Casual queue when I'm playing purely fun decks, with the hope that I match up against the same. However, this doesn't always happen lol.
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I understand being rigid in your deck choice, but ultimately you're playing a very very fair deck against the top echelons of what Wild has to offer. Wild is an inherently unfair meta - it wasn't meant to be balanced well at all. Hunter has never been good in Wild (believe me, I'm hurting for it, it's my favorite class) and probably won't be until it can be as unfair as Token Druid, or Mage, or Rez Priest.
You should be proud you've gotten this far with Highlander Hunter. I've only made it to Diamond 7, and that was with Even Hunter a few months ago, and Even Paly this month.
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It's been a popular community request. I know Regis has been a vocal advocate for this for a while, and Blizzard knows that people are into the idea. It's probably on the same list as "Upgrade to Golden", where they could do it, but they're just busy with other stuff at the moment.
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Thank you for your insight! I appreciate criticism, here is the only place I feel I can get input on my ideas - it's not good to just sit and stew on my concepts without any outside input.
I guess if Ramp as a concept is something you're opposed to, I could see why the mechanic moving into another class might make you a little bit jittery. I promise you that the design intent is to make Shaman more engaging, and play more with its mana - while giving the option for Control decks to Ramp regularly with the less efficient cards. With the generally compact size of Decks in Hearthstone compared to MTG or LoR, I feel that with the right ratio of cards designed for that purpose being ran, a Shaman would consistently get value from popping their Mana as often as they Ramp to replace what they've lost. The goal is to give Shaman powerful stuff to do that leads to more dynamic gameplay - though Ramp is a rickety rope bridge I'd need to be careful designing around in a class that's never had it before.
I think you've got a really good point about Enriched being the final piece of mana you spend rather than the first. It'll also allow for more powerful "After this minion's mana is spend" effects, justified by being the final piece of mana you spend instead of the first one. The pricing of Enriched minions is the trickiest aspect of their design, since they refund a Mana just by existing. Their stats would mainly be defensive to make them harder to remove, though still being punishing if they do get popped by the opponent.
And I'm glad you dig Cleanse!
Thanks for taking the time to let me know what you think!
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Aggro decks rock. They're face paced, fun, and accessible to basically everybody who plays the game.
The relevant nuance that comes with playing an aggro deck well is something a lot of people either don't see or choose to ignore because they just want to believe that they're superior to people who play aggro. It really bums be out how common this mentality is.
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For those who are understandably upset at no announcement of balance changes, Alec Dawson announced on Twitter they'd be exploring them this week and implementing them the next week. So give it two weeks and we'll see something, I hope.
In terms of value, allow me to put on my TrumpSC hat for a moment, clearly Warlock is the winner here. Tickatus, Tamsin Roame, Soulciologist Malicia, and Y'Shaarj the Defiler are all craftable Legendaries in this deck, which is fantastic for people with lacking collections (like myself). Unfortunately I don't play much Warlock (thus needing all of those cards), and the Demon Hunter list (the class I want to start collecting for) is pretty average. 2 Epics I don't already have is okay I guess, though Vengeful Spirit is no Cascading Disaster - though that's not really the decks fault is it?
Frankly I'd buy both if I could, but I can't, so I'll just get the Demon Hunter one and settle for it.