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Owl is one of the best two drops in the game
It's arguably one of the best two cost cards in the game, but it's not even remotely a two-drop. No one is blindly plopping this onto the field the instant they have two mana available. It's highly situational.
A "drop" is a card that is played at a given cost with little to no regard for the strategic implications. The card fits the cost curve, it's hitting the table. Pretty much the entire contents of zoo and face hunter, but not the owl.
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Since everybody's doing it, here are my "test" results starting at Rank 7:
This deck is just really screwed if your opponent can wipe out your opening hand. Otherwise, it's strong.
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I actually kept the Argent Squires and subbed Mukla for a Blood Knight and have had really good success with it
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Played 9 games to get some arena gold:
Hunter LOSS - He took out my board with hounds combo. Got close but he finished me with leeroy
Warrior WIN - Finished him turn 9 with full health. He just couldn't deal with constant onslaught and my 2 loot hoarders drew my ice combo to finish. Might have been bad otherwise but I knew spells were coming since I only drew minions first 9 draws.
Zoo Warlock LOSS - Really glad I put AE in this deck. Horribly misplayed this game though, against his berzerkers. Had to use 2 frostbolts against them. Fucking horrible play. Just brutal.
Ramp Druid LOSS - Have lots of minions and his health is 10 at turn 6 but now I'm out of steam and he has a threatenting board. This is the usual result of Druid for me. Let's see if I can do 7 damage before he does 30. Nope. Ran out of steam, drew more useless minions instead of finishers.
Zoo Warlock WIN - Good opening with apprentice ice combo and dire wolf'd mirror images, have him down to 11 health on turn 3. Turn 4 win with fireball draw #REKT
Freeze Mage WIN - I wonder if we'll see Alexstrasza or some other fucken weird thing? OK it's the giants version. He has 2 on board and I can pop his block right now. Guess I'll ice lance each giant and hope to win if he doesn't have the second ice block. Gamble paid off, I win
Shaman LOSS - Took out his spirit wolves with Thalnos/AE combo. But Lightning Storm kinda sucks. He drew JUST the right totem to take out my drake so I missed out on some extra damage. So now it's a race. Me at 30 him at 11. My top deck vs his full hand with a fire ele on board. And windfury, and rock biter, and argus. Nope I'm fucked in 2 turns. He had the perfect answer every turn this game.
Druid WIN - I have the perfect opening with 2 buffed wyrms, apprentice, and wolf. He's down to 14 turn 3 and I have 15 damage on board. Let's see what happens. Innervated force of nature. He couldn't clear the wyrms and they are now doing 5 damage a piece. Should be a turn 5 win. Conceded, I beat a druid woo!
Hand Warlock WIN - Not playing around molten giants, that never works for me. Have him down to 10 on turn 4 after he clears board so let's see what happens (that's after an ERF btw). If he can't remove this drake he's fucked. GG turn 6 win
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Diary of my last 6 games:
Aggro Rogue (WIN) - gave me bananas. Bad mistake. I had 2 wyrms, won turn 5
Hunter (LOSS) - had him down to 8 turn 5 but trap cleared my board then he combo'd in 2 turns since I had nothing left to play
Aggro Mage (WIN) - Had turn 1 wyrm stay up, got him down to 6 on turn 5 with ice combo and fireball in hand, won turn 6
Freeze Mage (WIN) - Burned him for 17 damage turn 3 with apprentice and dual ice combo. He kept my minions frozen until turn 6, popped ice barrier. Flame strike turn 7 with 9 health, blizzard turn 9, can't pop his shield. MALYGOS??? What the fuck? Threw two 8 damage arcane missiles at me, 11 damage fireball, but he has no 2nd ice block. Does this work or does he just not have Alexstrasza? Won turn 11
Murloc Warlock (LOSS) - I wish this list had some AOE right now. He's emoting taunt as he plays his entire hand on turn 8. Concede turn 9. If I had Drake/Thalnos-Fireball or ice combo or even my arcane missiles to clear, I win
Freeze Mage? (maybe? he plays leper and a bunch of aggro cards) LOSS - No turn 1 play. Turn 4 apprentice/thalnos/arcane missile clears his board. OK this guy plays blizzard, and AI? Hope he doesn't have flamestrike too. Also plays 2 secrets... what kind of deck is this? Have him down to 9 turn 8 after popping barrier. PLEASE don't play flamestrike. Nope he's freeze mage after all. Plays nova/doomsay turn 8. I would have played this differently had I known, so maybe it was on purpose. Dire wolf and elven in hand, this isn't gonna be fun. He has no straza so is burning me instead. LEEROY MIROR IMAGE COMBO? WTF is with these freeze mages??? Popped his ice block with ping with 10 health but he had enough to finish me (fireball/frostbolt).
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I had my doubts about this.. because usually "zoo like" decks are inferior to zoo itself
But man I am on quite a nice streak of wins. And best of all they are coming at turn 5 or 6 most of the time
This happens a lot when I try a new deck, only to start losing a bunch. Let's see if this is different!
I did change some things since I don't have Leeroy or Mukla. I swapped them out for a Bloodmage Thalnos (helped me clear a board with arcane missiles on turn 3) and a water elemental
When I lose it's because I am sitting there holding my fireballs and have no minions to put out. Or worse, nothing at all since my minions ARE out and this deck has little to no draw.
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This deck has two 5 mana card draws and no other card draw, I simply don't see why you would ever run this over Zoo, especially considering you run most of the same minions. It literally looks like you copied Zoo and removed the better minions of Zoo so you could fit a few shitty spells and Mana Wyrms. This deck needs Loot Hoarders and Thalnos, otherwise you can have fun losing to every single Ramp Druid you play against in 6 turns when you can't break their taunt walls.
Just hit rank 6 from 18 yesterday! I don't think this deck was meant to be some tier 1 legend deck, nor did MuchManic claim it to be as the title already states. It does what he claims it does, and that is climb the ranks. It's a fun deck and wins enough to be justified and that should be all that matters. If you are looking to be competitive in the top 3 ranks then play the handful of decks that everybody else is, why state the obvious.
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Just won 7 in a row and then lost to Shaman. Although that may have been my fault as I kept the King Mukla in my opening hand which ended up giving his totems options to trade with my smaller minions. And you were right, you need a 1 drop on your first turn. But generally the deck almost always gives you a great opening hand because the curve is so low.
But gosh this deck is really fun! Loving it so far, great job.
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Enjoying this deck so far. Raging Worgen catches people by surprise but I imagine it will lose effectiveness in higher ranks. Still, if they happen to have no way to deal with it, boom.
Only problem I've sort of run into is card draw. Gets tight. And Shamans, I dislike Shamans.
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Instants don't work very well online no doubt. But we're talking about lack of mechanics overall.
One thing that has surprised me is the lack of stealth use. Blood Imp is a great example. When I first saw that card I basically thought "Enchantment (MTG)". To MTG players, obviously this is self explanatory. I don't see why you can't create cards such as Blood Imp, whether it has stealth, is a different card type or whatever, and have it trigger an effect every turn or upon a specific action. Or effects that affect both players, which means it would only be beneficial if you build your deck around this effect (Howling Mine and Lethal Vapors (MTG) comes to mind). This would encourage deck creativity. More importantly, decks that revolve around a card or a combo. I personally think Grim Patron was one of the best things to happen. How many decks in Hearthstone really revolve around one or two cards with the rest of the deck playing support AND is competitive? I'm getting bored of decks that just smash face ftw.
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New game modes is the easiest temporary solution to the repetition. Really hoping a tournament mode comes.
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Remhouse obviously plays aggro on the ladder. Otherwise you wouldn't be defending it in every post. Aggro decks are fine, they exist in all card games. The problem is that as mentioned above, it equals faster games played, more gold, quicker ladder climbing, and ergo 3/4 of players run them. Change the ladder system somehow, or introduce new game modes that encourage variety.
One solution: sideboards and tournaments. Allow a 6-10 card sideboard that you're allowed to switch in and out before a match. Implement this in a new game mode like a tournament mode where the decklist of your opponent is available to see before the match, give a 1 minute timer to sideboard and start the match. I would have absolutely no issues with netdecks and aggro if you can sideboard. It would add another layer of skill in this game.
I think one of the biggest problems for Hearthstone is that the game is limited to 2 card types. When this game was introduced, I was like...really? It's like MTG for noobs. Started playing it, appreciated some of the skill that it does require, but now I'm back to thinking it's just too bare bones. I'm not exactly surprised the game is as simple as it is because obviously Blizzard wants to make money and they don't want difficulty to be an issue to new comers, but there's really so much you can do with a turn based (no instants/response like MTG) card game that has only 2 card types.
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I think there still aren't enough cards and I think Blizzard made aggro cards far too powerful from the get go. The majority of games played are still Hunters and Zoo. Now when new cards come out, people are expecting better cards to update their decks with. Where does it end? People who have or still do play MTG, remember how many years it took for something better than 1 mana 2/1 Savannah Lions to come out? 15 years? The power creep is too fast. But I suppose it's bound to happen considering there are only 2 card types in this game. Spells and minions. What do you think? New mechanics? Card types? Heroes?
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There are some new "decks" now with GvG, but within a week, everyone is already running the same shit over and over again. The problem lies in the fact that everyone just HAS to win apparently because of the ladder. Casual is worthless because you can't earn gold. I can perhaps understand your netdecking needs once you've past rank 5 but from 20-5? Really? Netdecking and emoting because you think you're some hot shit for coming up with a decklist you copied off a site? What's even more pathetic is when you actually lose to innovative and original concepts. I've accepted the fact that rank 10+ that is all you'll see, but I think it's ridiculous people still feel the need to just copy a decklist from as low as rank 20.
P.S. I'm not whining because I'm rank 20 and can't win. I hit 5 and am getting sick of it. I actually wish you could just reset your ranking without having to purposely lose games.
/endrant
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I personally feel 1x Recombobulator has a role in this deck. It's a surprise that catches people off guard. There are many times where my opponent had for example a 4/4 taunt and a 1/1, I had a 8/5 giant, my opponent assumes I would have to hit the 4/4 and he gets to take out my giant with the 1/1 on his turn, only to find himself facing a replenished 8/8 completely derailing his planned move.
As for BGH, I would rather run a second Siphon Soul. Hard removal with life gain. Late game, a 2 health minion isn't likely to survive a turn. Just my opinion.
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Great deck. I had the same idea with the Recombobulator as well but found that 2x is 1 too many. It's a dead card until mid to late game. I'm currently running a list that is:
-1 Recombobulator, -1 Shadowflame
+1 Alexstrasza, +1 Hellfire
Without Sylvannas/Deathrattle/Ancient Watcher/Power Overwhelming shenanigans, I find the Shadowflames underwhelming when you need to clear the board. The meta has seem to gone more aggro and the Hellfire seems to perform better against many decks. If the meta slows down, I would even consider 1x Twisting Nether.
I've also found that Alexstrasza as an extra lifeline on top of Lord Jaraxxus or just to bring your opponent down to 2 hits with giants range to be very effective. Although Dr. Boom, Mal'Ganis or an extra Faceless Manipulator are also worth a look.
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That's unfortunate. What rank are you and what decks do you see?
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Nice. You're absolutely right. I never claimed it was some epic T1 legend deck lol I honestly just had a random idea, slapped it together and went on a ridiculous run when I had trouble ranking up so I just decided to share it that's all.
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I think I will try the Bloodmage too. Mainly because of the Arcane Missiles.
I really think you need to play this deck a very specific way to be successful. The games you lose it blows because usually you sit there with no answers, an empty hand and no board wishing you had draw spells. But at the same time, you wouldn't be winning all those other games if the deck had those options. Maybe you would but it would play out differently and the results would vary. Pros and cons lol I think the general strategy/idea of the deck is solid for its purposes, just needs to be tweaked and worked around. I hit rank 4 too but now it's starting to be challenging winning about 50-60%?