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Given that I quoted your post where you were almost exclusively proclaiming your bewilderment by the use of ‘meta-breaker’ (and what was ultimately your closing question for that post) I just assumed you would have grasped what I meant, especially considering at the time I believed I was speaking to the Duke of Reading Comprehension. If you re-read the thing you should see it’s exceptionally clear what I was referring too.
As for Dirty Rat it’s stats to cost combined with it having taunt nullify it’s effect against aggro to a large degree if just thrown out in the early game. In the late game it costing just 2-mana and it’s versatility in what removal cards can combo with it (or you can trade if you already have a strong board) mean it’s an excellent tool for thinning the opponent’s hand and generating extra value from board wipes. If Dirty Rat cost 10-mana it would be the worst card in the game, regardless of the effect.
Anyway this is getting pointless, I believe I’ve made my point regarding your hypocrisy and my views on the meta-breaker have been fleshed out. If you disagree with my assessment of Dirty Rat then stare why but I’m not going to bore the thread readers anymore with this back and forth.
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I’m saying don’t take the ‘meta-breaker’ jibes seriously. That was very clear in my post fwiw. You really need to brush up on that reading comprehension of yours!
Am I being condescending enough?
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No, I said Dirty Rat is a very strong card, *cough* reading comprehension *cough*
Although I do also believe that pulling a card from your opponent is a very strong mechanic, yes, it depends entirely on the card it is attached to. Dirty Rat has the versatility of being a good early play against aggro, or it can be combined with strong removal tools and AOE in the late game - all of which are strong cards on their own (and plenty to choose from). The new 7-mana metabreaker is laughably bad against aggro, and will require a specific card in a brewmaster (or a silence card) for it to work in the late game.
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My argument is pretty clear, you should see that given you are the self appointed king of reading comprehension.
To summarise however:
The changes to Dream cards, which are exclusive to ‘Ysera’ and ‘Ysera the Dreamer’ - regardless of how you would like to describe those changes - have left the ‘Ysera’ card in a far less playable state.
It is of my opinion, and the opinion of many others, that those changes clearly provide a large enough negative change to the card that a full dust refund should be issued. It’s at Blizzards’ discretion whether or not this should happen - as it is with all cards.
You believe that only cards who’s text and/or ability changes should be refunded, and that anyone who disagrees is greedy and entitled. I find that illogical due to how needlessly restrictive it is, and would much prefer cards to be looked at on a case by case basis with a fair judgement call being made.
P.S as a heads up, if you want people to remain on topic and not ‘get personal’ then you should probably stop throwing insults first?
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Don’t take it seriously. You’re being teased because of your initial post in the thread combined with how combative you’ve been throughout.
Like I’ve said, the best thing would have been to just hold your hands up and admit the OP was a pretty huge overreaction because the combo is completely unplayable.
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But yeah, I don’t play wild but a quick look at meta snapshots shows us that Dirty Rat is at least played in Tier 2 Warlock decks.
In other words it’s a very, very strong card.
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haha
I still cannot believe the lad hasn’t just held his hands up and admitted his initial reaction to the 2 card, 7 mana meta breaker was a little overboard.
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Someone else will have to chime in for clarification but I believe classic packs will still be available, just only playable in wild.
Basically classic/basic move to wild along with the 3 expansions from the previous year. The core set will be added to Standard in the form of uncraftable cards that every player has access to.
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We’ll be using the Core set along with Ashes, Shadows, Madness & Barrens.
There will be 2 expansions fewer than there is now, and the core set has around 150 fewer cards than Classic & Basic.
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Yeah. There are some really disappointing choices in this set and that is one of the biggest. With such a small pool of cards chosen they really needed to knock it out the park with what they were bringing back and they haven’t done that.
The new minions and most of the changes to cards they’ve made are great. It’s strange that they’ve introduced a whole new cool take on the legendary dragons and then just thrown the likes of King Krush into the set seemingly without thought.
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I suppose when I saw the announcement of a core set I assumed it would be a natural evolution of the classic and basic sets with a few cards added, a few cards changed, and a few taken away. This would be revised after each expansion with cards coming and going but with the bulk of the core set remaining.
My ideal vision of HS is a one where the core set maintains a large set of cards spanning most of the various deck archetypes that we know and love (Freeze Mage, Handlock, Shodow Priest, Face Hunter etc) along with the various overarching minion types (Murlocs, Mechs, Beasts, Pirates etc). So from a deck building pov we can always rely on their being a lot to play around with. The expansions would rotate out 1 at a time too, so we always have a similar card pool to choose from, instead of the lopsided way things are currently done where we have over 300 more cards at the end of a year than we do the start.
*For reference the Classic and Basic sets had around 150 more cards than the Core set.
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If you only play aggro you’re probably wondering what Tickatus even is.
If you play combo or control you probably cringe every time you queue into Warlock.
The card is probably ‘balanced’ as it requires a top heavy deck that theoretically will be weak against aggro, but it’s so absurdly powerful against any deck that wants to go long outside of some mega-value generating decks that it single handedly dictates the meta in a huge way.
I personally think it needs changing so that it’s harder to activate and would fit more in a niche combo-Warlock deck. In it’s current state Blizzard have to be very careful with what they print for the class.
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I wouldn’t mind having the likes of Yeti in there if there were more cards, but given the sparseness of the set it’s very disappointing.
I find the deck creation side to be much more enjoyable so going from 6 expansions and a large base of classic and basic cards to 3 expansions and a trimmed core set feels like a step backwards.
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I mean you’re just proving my point by further using the semantics argument.
Yes, the card text is the same, we realise that. The actual card itself in a vacuum is the same. Well done? You’ve shown us all how clever you are in pointing out that fact. Give yourself a pat on the back.
However if we’re to logically look at the situation it’s pretty clear that the card has been considerably effected (we’ll not say ‘nerfed’ as it’s clearly causing you a lot of anguish) to the point where it no longer does what it did when many opened or crafted it. The card is drastically worse due to Blizzard changing the pool of cards it relies on (a pool of cards separate from the rest of the collection of which it now shares with only 1 other card).
Regardless of how selfish you believe the community to be offering some refund to nerfed... sorry, ‘NEGATIVELY EFFECTED’ cards is the right decision on Blizzards part, and seeing as Ysera will be negatively effected with this change (providing the dream cards are the same for both versions) the right thing for Blizzard to do is to offer a dust refund.
If you don’t think a refund should be offered then fair enough, but acting like this has anything to do with entitlement is dishonest and seeming done with the intention of making yourself feel superior in some odd way.
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To you and the other guys above, you don’t sound as clever as you think. The card’s text remains the same but the actual effect of the card has drastically changed (unless the dream cards are separate for both versions). The pointless semantics are irrelevant however as Blizzard can choose to give a dust refund for any card they please, even if it hasn’t been nerfed. It’s entirely at their discretion.
Zephrys will likely never be changed as it’s card pool changing in some way is to be expected, it isn’t a suprised that clasic and basic cards can change. It could still be looked at on a case by case basis however. If the card became unplayable due to it’s pool of cards being drastically changed in some way (lets just say a bulk of nerfs to key classic and basic cards which led to it being dropped from major decks that ran it) the Blizzard might decide to offer a dust refund. Unlikely, but like I’ve said it’s at their discretion.
To the creep suggesting this is ‘greed’, get a grip, what a weird, pathetic statement to make. People pay real world money to obtain cards and should be refunded in some way if the things they’ve payed money towards are suddenly made unplayable without warning.