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    posted a message on New Card - Bolvar Fordragon

    So, where's people babbling about Bolvar now ?! I hope Freeze Mage makes Flame Leviathan a must as well. 

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    posted a message on What's in Your GvG Packs? (Pack Sharing Thread)

    Got nothing from my 3 free packs, I mean, some useful Rares but that's it. 

    Next week I may spend some cash on this .. 60 packs or so.

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    posted a message on Expansion Countdown- What are you excited for?

    Man, I'd love to get any class legendary. But currently the ones which would fit in my card pool the most are Juggernaut, Leviathan and Vol'Jin and Mal'ganis. Bolvar and Neptulon would do fine as well. Only Gallawyx, Marlone and Gahz'rilla would be a bit off for me, since I only play Backspace Rogue, Token Druid and Huntertaker - and I doubt any will fit well in these archetypes. 

    Even so, that's just for now as I'm thinking accordingly to the current meta. Once GvG consolidates and new archetypes rises, I'm sure that many things will change. 

    Among the neutral ones I believe that Troggzor will be very popular at least until things settle down. I hope Dr.Boom see some play as well, and some attempts of Mmiron's Head Miracle.

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    posted a message on How much money are you spending on GvG on launch day?

    But seriously, I'll wait for 1~2 weeks before spending my money on GvG. It's safe to first get a grasp about what will see play and what won't.

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    posted a message on How much money are you spending on GvG on launch day?
    Quote from Hardship »
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    Probably more than I'll tell my wife. 


    ^Exactly this!

    Same goes for me!

    Same here :D

    Well I don't feel so guilty anymore!

    This. I don't think she even knows that Hearthstone cards cost money.

     I'm not alone !

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    posted a message on New Card: Flame Leviathan

    It will be decent.

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    posted a message on New Card - Bolvar Fordragon
    Quote from Darvonovich »
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    To be fair, an owl turns our other legendary into somewhat of a chump, too. And plenty of other legendary cards.

    TDIL - a 6/6 body on the board that already burned up one of your opponents precious silences is "a chump".

    Do you realize that Bolvar is the uncontested strongest Class Legendary in Hearthstone ? 

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    posted a message on New Card: Flame Leviathan

    Bolvar is way better than FL, get over it.  

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    posted a message on New Card: Flame Leviathan

    People still trying to argue that this one isn't the worst class legendary ?! Neptulon may be just as bad, but Bolvar is far better than both.

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    posted a message on New Card - Bolvar Fordragon

    Actually, it may even see more play than Grih'zzla. I'd rank the new Legendaris as:

    1st: Warlock/Druid
    3rd:Priest
    4th:Warrior/Hunter
    6th:Paladin
    7th:Rogue
    8th:Shaman/Mage

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    posted a message on New Card - Bolvar Fordragon

    Come on, compared to mostly of the new class legendaries Bolvar is average at the very least. Mage and Shaman's are the worst, Rogue's too situational and Warrior's only shines in Control match up. I'd say Bolvar is only below Hunter's, Druid's and Warlock's.

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    posted a message on New Card: Flame Leviathan

    Bolvar is far and away a better card, even with the needing of some prep.

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    posted a message on New Card: Flame Leviathan

    I believe it's the worst class legendary indeed. A shame.

    Still, being a Mech may save this card from being complete trash.

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    posted a message on New Card - Bolvar Fordragon
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    If you look at him as a 5 turn play, you may believe it's worse than Warlord or even a Bolderfist Ogre. Thing is: it can potentially be way stronger than both. You don't need to outright have Bolvar in your open hand for it to be a 7+/7 threat at turn 7~8. Being a relatively cheap legendary at 5 cost while not being a 5 turn play makes it a potential piece of combo.

    Paladin can give it Divine Shield consistently at turn 7, and may give Stealth with the Spare Parts even earlier (not that we want to rush with this card anyway). As a 7 turn play you can use Equality to clean Midrange/Aggro boards with your Silver Hand Recruits and tokens from Muster for Battle, and pass the turn with an 10+ attack Bolvar as the only dude on board.

    Cards such as Warlord and Ogre can be stronger turn 5~6 plays (and God knows how bad they are), but that's the furthest they can go.


    What? You said, that you don't need to mulligan for him, to have it be a 7/7 on T7. Then it's as good (or bad) as War Golem, but it's a silenceable legendary. Boulderfist costs one more mana, but is solid, can be played in late game and is a better threat in general. To make it that big without having him on your starting hand and to drop him before you go fatigue, you'll have to draw him on T1 or T2. In addition it doesn't help you with any problems you have, so you literally waste your draw.

    10+ attack is a dream, yet he needs to stay in your hand at least 5 turns (assuming you drop a minion every round + hero power). But then, it gets hexed, silenced or you're just dead at that point.

    It doesn't help the early game, and while you mulligan for it, you won't get coghammer/Muster for battle/Scarlet Purifier in your starting hand, which are the cards you'll need the most. What is that card good for? And even more important: What would you kick out for him?


    Hey man, slow down ! First of all, I said you don't need to mulligan for him to have a 7+ (emphasis on the plus signal)/7 on T7 - with mana spared for some nice synergies. With some decent build (not that it's a card which needs a deck to be made around him anyway) you could achieve a huge Bolvar at T7~8 with open mana for a sweeper combo, or to simply increase the chances of it to connect on the next turn.

    Cleaning the board works as both synergy and assurance for him to stay on board, while some Divine Shield effect could protect him from any eventual survivor opposing minion, damage spell and weapon classes. We may still get some neutral source of Stealth more reliable than a RNG Spare Part, but give it Divine Shield (although less effective) is very easy for Pally to accomplish.

    This is something you will never achieve with Ogre, Golem or Warlod, because:

    1) They don't have the potential of getting as big as Bolvar. Ogre and Golem are vanilla (which actually is the only advantage over him at the same time, whatever). Warlord needs much more effort for a limited buff of 6, people which tries to compare both cards are delusional since having 6 creatures at the moment you cast Warlord is far more difficult than actually having 6 minions diyng throughout the game with a Bolvar in hand, and this number can go way higher unlike the the max 6 buff from the neutral. While Warlord is indeed a win-more card (if he gets a huge boost it's because you already has overwhelming board presence anyway), Bolvar can be a measure for countering sweepers and bad trades.

    2) The two vanilla may be more consistent, but as I said before their mana cost is prohibitive if you want to achieve some midgame synergies - all of this assuming you're only getting a 6/7~7/7 Bolvar on T6~7, but actually the chances are you'll get a bigger threat with far more options to combo than those two.

    Having said this, it's true that Bolvar is particularly weak against Silence effects, but many lists run early game threats that may bait some of this such as Undertaker, Nerubian Egg. On midgame there are Sludge Belcher and 6 drop legendaries (Sylvanas, Cairne) which can force your opponent to spend his hard removal/silence, followed by a turn 7 Bolvar + Argent Protector or turn 8 Bolvar + Coghammer where things can get very favorable.

    I'm very convinced that although not a 5 star legendary, it'll see much more play than Velen, Krush .. maybe even Cleef or Antonidas.

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    posted a message on New Card - Bolvar Fordragon

    If you look at him as a 5 turn play, you may believe it's worse than Warlord or even a Bolderfist Ogre. Thing is: it can potentially be way stronger than both. You don't need to outright have Bolvar in your open hand for it to be a 7+/7 threat at turn 7~8. Being a relatively cheap legendary at 5 cost while not being a 5 turn play makes it a potential piece of combo.

    Paladin can give it Divine Shield consistently at turn 7, and may give Stealth with the Spare Parts even earlier (not that we want to rush with this card anyway). As a 7 turn play you can use Equality to clean Midrange/Aggro boards with your Silver Hand Recruits and tokens from Muster for Battle, and pass the turn with an 10+ attack Bolvar as the only dude on board.

    Cards such as Warlord and Ogre can be stronger turn 5~6 plays (and God knows how bad they are), but that's the furthest they can go.

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