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[Darth Vader Voice]NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!![/Darth Vader Voice]

It really says something that in most other games I play I would cheer if the lead developer left ::cough:: WoW ::cough::, but reading that Brode is leaving Hearthstone makes me legitimately sad.

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I think people have realized at this point that shudderwock is just another OTK deck. Agro kills it. Start focusing on the real problems. Its just a fun deck, lemme have this one.

The problem comes when you get all of the OTK haters coming out of the wood work and demanding that the card be nerf because they feel combo and OTK decks aren't intended as a legitimate playstyle. Even if this deck further crashed to a lower win rate they would still complain about the few times they would get matched up against the deck.

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Quote from WildhuntDancer >>

got otked by shuttercock combo at 30 life and some armor at rank 20.

if you guys think its okay coz of 'its low win rate'. do you want to wait until people learn how to sequence the deck properly with all the proper cards before thinking its a real problem?

it has low win rate because a) not everyone has the right build b) they are not piloting it well coz they are new to the deck. i have played against enough shuttercock players with a variety of decks to know the card has to go.

 

 This is the same with Open the Waygate, everyone hated that card because control got destroyed by the OTK. Shudderwock OTK is a worse version of the mage OTK. shaman doesn't have good AOE and survive tools. 

Quote from IambicAvenger >>

What needs fixing is the perception of the HS community. The OTK is frustrating to play against when it works, but it’s a bad deck that works infrequently. (Sure, Toast did well with it, but he’s a pro - especially with memes.) While it’s early to read a lot into the data, OTK Shaman has seen some of the most play, and the HSReplay statistics have it at a ~45% win rate. It spends the whole game playing weak draw cards and low tempo battlecry minions, leaving it vulnerable to all but the slowest control decks. 

You might compare this to the Quest Rogue nerf, which also had a poor win rate but was super polarizing. The major difference is that Quest Rogue had some OP matchups. Shudderwock OTK only has positive win rates against 3 classes, one of which is Shaman, and another - Warrior - which has seen tons of experimentation with objectively slow control play in the form of Odd Quest Warrior.

Shudderwock is a powerful card which has not seen nearly enough deck experimentation outside of the OTK. A nerf this early will ruin the card to satisfy mob mentality. 

Quote from shureshot >>

Rework Sarnoite Chain-Gang to read Battlecry: Put a 2/3 knight with taunt into play.

Shudderwock, even if nerfed, is just bad for the game.  When streamers and tourney players play the deck, combo off, then WALK AWAY FROM THEIR COMPUTER while the combo is doing its thing is bad for the game.  It screams this game is easy, takes no skill, and boring to play.

Quote from made4victory >>

My thoughts were similar. Saronite Chain Gang battlecry should read: Summon another Saronite Chain Gang

Quote from Fossgar >>

Leave the card as it is and instead learn how to play vs that deck.

Quote from Wonderbuster >>

Surprised that no one is suggesting that the change be similar to Yogg Saron - the Battlecries stop if it dies or leaves play or Polymorphed.

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Every decent deck will kill Shaman long before combo.

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If you don't equip the weapon until you can play Azari, you're really decreasing your winrate.

Quick idea I came up with for a replacement of Dirty Rat since it has rotated out:

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Cubelock has been severely weakened by losing N'zoth. Prior to Witchwood when I lost to Cubelock with one of my control decks it was usually after I'd used all my removal and they dropped N'zoth. Since the rotation, I've steamrolled every Cubelock I've faced.

Right now the only deck that pisses me off is Cancerwock, and that's really only because there are currently no available tech cards to break up the combo.

 Losing N'Zoth was a setback, but it's not as bad as it seems valuewise, just add Rin as additional win condition, there is still no other Controldeck that I'am aware of, that can outvalue Warlock.

 Oh and Warlock even has a techcard to break up the Shudder combo.

Too sweet indeed :)

 You know you can’t play Rin in cubelock?

 

 

 Why? It was frequently run in the K&C version of the deck. My answer to it though has always been silence. My silence priorities are as such:

1) Rin

2) Cube

3) Acolyte

I'm also playing mostly odd decks ATM, and since MC Tech is odd I figured what the hell and put him in a few of my decks. Has won me a few games, and can be particularly useful against Cubelock since their big plays put more than four minions on the board.

 

 It was run because of Medivh, if you can't destroy your own weapon, there is no point in playing Rin.

Quote from Alwayshappyz >>

Every aggro/mid-range can win against it honestly (aswell as cube locks with Glinda + Gnomeferatu). Shudderwock is strong, but isn't that the point of a legendary card? I get that it's necessary to nerf OP cards, but he just isn't. Just a great legendary. His animation is the only problem. It says something that Shudderwock decks have a very low win-rate. I like the idea behind Shudderwock, but I'd be more tempted to run him in a control shaman deck (with cards such as Elise, etc) than to use him in an OTK deck.

 

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Quote from EvilMark443 >>

Cubelock has been severely weakened by losing N'zoth. Prior to Witchwood when I lost to Cubelock with one of my control decks it was usually after I'd used all my removal and they dropped N'zoth. Since the rotation, I've steamrolled every Cubelock I've faced.

Right now the only deck that pisses me off is Cancerwock, and that's really only because there are currently no available tech cards to break up the combo.

 Losing N'Zoth was a setback, but it's not as bad as it seems valuewise, just add Rin as additional win condition, there is still no other Controldeck that I'am aware of, that can outvalue Warlock.

 Oh and Warlock even has a techcard to break up the Shudder combo.

Too sweet indeed :)

 You know you can’t play Rin in cubelock?

 

Quote from steeleon1972 >>

Elemental Mage is another example of a deck that can beat it that  isn't aggro. 

Post-nerf Warsong Commander. Went from being an effective burst card, to arguably the worst card in the game.