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Quote from Scorpyon >>

The biggest problem is not the Highlander mode and support for it.
The biggest problem is that there is already a better card than Reno available: Meteorologist
It has a much easier requirement.
It isn't even a legendary so you can run two.
It deals only slightly less damage (for the most part) - in Hand Mage, you will usually have a fairly full hand.

That's why Reno is so disappointing.

??? Meteorologist is best at targeting face against empty board, it has a laughable 3/3 stateline, and the full hand requirement is in no way easier than playing Highlander which is passively and permanently active. (I know, bombs) 

Reno is best at tempo swings, can board clear reliably as opposed to meteodude, and has the Stateline to support the tempo strategy. 

They are very different cards. 

I totally understand the disappointment from a design perspective, it's boring, but from a power level perspective you are out of your mind imo. In fact nothing stops you from playing Reno AND meteo since they are both good cards with different applications.

Quote from Lethora >>

I enjoy playing Highlander decks in Wild, and I'm very happy they are getting more support. It's always fun to see the confusion from opponent's side when you play something they don't expect at all (like my Highlander mage runs small deathrattle package with N'zoth).

 I play Anomalus lol.. It's my secret weapon I've won so many game with Anomalus into conjurer's calling

Quote from Mootsie >>

dude please stfu. You talk shit. I can't even make a deck with 30 cards that synergizes more than a non highlander deck only for a better hero power or a copy of my hand. You will always choose a regular deck over this bullshit. Kazakus, Raza and the old Reno are reasons to go for a highlander deck and most of the time it were priests. And priest sucks. So yes i definitely need more highlander cards before i choose to play it. 

 It's fine you're entitled to your opinion, let's hope they reveal more support then, either way I'm happy I will always choose highlander deck over regular

Quote from Karfhud >>

Quote from GentilleMouche >>

"oh my god, why would I ever play no duplicate, this card sucks"

"if we get more highlander support this might see some play"

Sounds familiar?

Highlander decks need support yes. But there is one important thing you're missing here. Any good card is support for highlander. You don't need kazakus type of cards. You can go in Wild right now and build a Reno deck for every class that win games.

The Reno cards just exist to give reasons to the NPCs to build and play highlander, and force some of the decks into the meta. Reno decks were good before Kazakus. Reno decks were probably good even before Reno. But people didn't have reasons to play them that's it. 

And a Highlander deck doesn't trade consistency for nothing!

The perception that going highlander automatically makes your deck a lot worse than it was is absolutely wrong and you should stop listening to Kripp from time to time. You lose consistenty yes, but you gain versatility and that win games just as much as consistency. And consistency can also LOSE you a game against good players/deck trackers, it's way easier to play around 15 cards than 30.

Now if you look at the 4 new highlander cards, and if you remember when I said any good standalone card is good for highlander. You should notice that without the no duplicate requirement Reno is worth 9 mana, Brann is worth 10 mana, Elise is worth 8 mana and Finley is worth 4 mana. In other words, they are extremely powerful cards. Just like Kazakus and old Reno.

Just let the deck builders do the magic wait a couple days and go netdeck. Stop whining that highlander needs more support it's not true. One highlander support per deck is good enough. Yes, old Reno and Kazakus seem stronger than the new cards. So what? Did you really expect powercreep on cards that are already powercreeped by design ?

I don't mean to hurt anyone, I am just a little bit irratated, sorry for my bad English. 

 I like it, pissing me off when people constantly whining about how Saviors (espacially Reno) are sucks, cos they not. Fuck, our community is crappy more and more.

I would like only one thing: more neutral/not that impact (maybe rare) cards supporting highlander decks. You know, small benefit for playing only one copy of it.

 I would absolutely enjoy small benefit rare cards that directly support the highlander mechanic! I'm just saying we don't need it to make good deck out of the Saviors of uldum, kind of like Odd mage didn't NEED Black Cat it was just nice to have it

Quote from badhank14 >>

And if Highlander decks end up being that powerful, people will simply play Bomb Warrior.  Then you will lose and your fancy legendary will do nothing.  You know, the card you built your whole deck around.

Unless they make a card to remove all duplicate cards in your deck, these cards are hard countered by something that people already play in Standard.

And my feelings aren't hurt, but without more support, these cards alone are not enough.  But please prove us wrong.  Play the deck from level 20 rank all the way up to Legend and show proof you did this.  Then everyone can eat your words and worship you as being right.

The cards are powerful, but not enough to justify the inconsistency.  In fact, go build a highlander deck now and post your results here.  How far up the Legend ladder did you get?

Edit:  Healing for 20 plus health is far more powerful than killing a few minions on the board.  The old Reno negated most of the game and cards your opponent played.  That's why he was good and I knew he was good the first day he was revealed.  This Reno is not even in the same league.

 Eat my words and worship me as being right? Go to legend and prove us wrong with a card that's not in the game? You sure seem hurt.

Anyway, you are correct about bombs being counter play and potentially detrimental to highlanders existence, I did not deny that.

However a lot of people are thinking highlander decks are baseline trash without taking bombs into account and need super powerful highlander synergy to make them work. I tried in my post to go over the reasons why highlander play style is legitimate in and of itself, AND to explain why all the new reno cards are actually the super powerful highlander synergy people want, by being severely under costed cards. You are also correct about Original Reno still being the most powerful highlander synergy, I did say that myself, and that is not a problem. 

"oh my god, why would I ever play no duplicate, this card sucks"

"if we get more highlander support this might see some play"

Sounds familiar?

Highlander decks need support yes. But there is one important thing you're missing here. Any good card is support for highlander. You don't need kazakus type of cards. You can go in Wild right now and build a Reno deck for every class that win games.

The Reno cards just exist to give reasons to the NPCs to build and play highlander, and force some of the decks into the meta. Reno decks were good before Kazakus. Reno decks were probably good even before Reno. But people didn't have reasons to play them that's it. 

And a Highlander deck doesn't trade consistency for nothing!

The perception that going highlander automatically makes your deck a lot worse than it was is absolutely wrong and you should stop listening to Kripp from time to time. You lose consistenty yes, but you gain versatility and that win games just as much as consistency. And consistency can also LOSE you a game against good players/deck trackers, it's way easier to play around 15 cards than 30.

Now if you look at the 4 new highlander cards, and if you remember when I said any good standalone card is good for highlander. You should notice that without the no duplicate requirement Reno is worth 9 mana, Brann is worth 10 mana, Elise is worth 8 mana and Finley is worth 4 mana. In other words, they are extremely powerful cards. Just like Kazakus and old Reno.

Just let the deck builders do the magic wait a couple days and go netdeck. Stop whining that highlander needs more support it's not true. One highlander support per deck is good enough. Yes, old Reno and Kazakus seem stronger than the new cards. So what? Did you really expect powercreep on cards that are already powercreeped by design ?

I don't mean to hurt anyone, I am just a little bit irratated, sorry for my bad English.