I was wondering if this has happened to others or is it something on my end. Having been cruising to Legend rank the previous two seasons I find the current one extremely harder (on EU). Reached rank 9 yesterday and since then have been falling constantly (rank 13 now). This has never happened before, so I don't know if these things just happen or am I not adjusted to the current meta. I'm playing the Legendary Control Warrior, but am constantly losing to Priests and the revamped Druids. Decided to try the Rush Hunter, but it didn't work for me.
"I am Richard, Chief Warlock of the Brothers of Darkness, Lord of the Thirteen Hells, Master of the Bones, Emperor of the Black, Lord of the Undead, and The Mayor of a little village up the coast."
I am in the same boat, getting kicked back at 13 when i used to get way lower than that before having this kind of trouble. Could be either the amount of people playing mindless rush decks this season or the fact that more people are actually trying to ladder because of the new rewards. Still have a long time to push through, hopefully can eventually do it.
More players, improving as they go, more players trying to ladder up. There will be bottle necks where everyone gets stuck, where all opponents will be more stubborn and better experienced. The players that are beating you may well have made high rank last season too. There's never a guarantee or a right to make it to a certain level. It's only going to get tougher too.
A good fraction of the players at rank 5-14 now were Legend in last season. You can either risk running into a lot of them randomly or wait for them to clear out.
After hitting Rank 3 last season I am on the same boat as you are. Finding hard to get past Rank 10. I adjusted my decks a little according to the meta so I hope it will solve some issues
1. When ladder reset, everyone fell in rank. This happened before too, but with more players each season, and more regular players each season, you'll face other players that fell in rank along with you at lower ranks.
2A. Meta shifts.
2B. Semi-retired players may have come out to go for the new card backs, and other players may be playing more seriously. I personally tended to use whatever decks on Constructed ladder; decks I'd just cooked up, decks I had no experience playing, Angry Chicken or Lorewalker Cho decks, whatever. Right now, though, I want Legend for the card back, so I tend to mostly (not always, but a lot more) use pretty solid decks. (Not that Lorewalker Cho can't be solid).
3. RNG. Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose. Sometimes for no particular reason you end up losing a lot. Not making excuses, but literally you can play every card correctly, but because of initial and subsequent draws for you and the opposing player, and maybe a few decisions you make based on probable outcomes that turn out to be incorrect based on atypical RNG, you end up losing a lot. It happens. People tend to attribute losses to external factors like lack of cards, or lack of knowledge of meta, or lack of training, or imbalance, and sometimes they blame RNG for losses that were actually based on one of those just mentioned factors - but RNG *is* real, you *do* lose games to RNG, that's just how it goes.
4. Tilt. Sometimes your head isn't on straight and you make a lot of misplays, but because your head is messed up, you don't even know you're messing up. So you keep playing and attributing things to external factors, and you keep losing. If you record and review your games, you can sometimes see yourself tilting. If you don't record and review, it's hard to differentiate
5. Analysis paralysis. When you get stuck in superficial probabilities and meta analysis and can't see the forest for the trees, so to speak.
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Your problem sounds to me like you're not able to read the meta and you mindlessly use control warrior because you saw others win with it.
You say you run into a lot of priests huh, well that's because priest owns control warrior hard. Those players are reading the meta and do well because of it.
My advice is to see what you play against most often and just use the deck that counters that and do the best you can against everything else. Simple.
I'm seeing a lot of tilt this season, and it's still having a seriously awful effect on me. I attribute it to the somewhat fuzzy metagame in the starting ranks as I seem to either come up against strong archetypes or out-of-left-field piles of cards. The archetypes are rather consistent matches where win/loss comes down to skill and RNG, but the piles-of-cards can be the curveball where I just don't have answers to cards that almost never showed up last season and aren't on my radar as threats.
I've been forcing myself to take breaks when I start to tilt. As much as I want to dive back in and say, "I can do this! See!? See!!?" I'm playing better when I settle myself down first.
Frankly, I've retreated to Control Warrior simply because it's the only deck I can be certain has a chance against almost everything (Priest is one hell of a headache). I'm really hoping to get past the early ranks soon to swap to some decks that are a little more varied and less cookie-cutter.
On the "bitch and moan" front, it feels like the RNG is a bit less random. I've consistently gone 3-4 games at a time where I never see a card that's in there as a x2. I had a really frustrating run with Druid early on where I didn't see a single swipe in four games... and seeing a swipe would have made for a much different playtime. But I also know that it's in my head and RNG only seems broken when we're looking for something to blame. It'll come back to me eventually, and I'd rather have horrid RNG at rank 17 than face it when I'm in 10 or lower.
You guys are overthinking the situation. You're probably on tilt and/or play bad decks for the situation.
The first week of seasons was always hard, that's nothing new. You guys just forgot how it was because u were used to sitting on whatever rank u where and expected to reach it again without effort.
Secondly, the point that this season is harder has no logic. If players that didn't really play that much constructed before are playing now, and u did play constructed before, how does that make it harder, you have the advantage over them.
Third, you need to play the right decks. If there's not alot of hunters, handlock is the best. If there is alot of hunters, you need to play druid or warrior, but you should play warrior because warrior has better matchup against druid.And do you know what's good against druids and warriors? Zoo. And what can own zoo? Hunter.
Tempo rogue is also good if there's not alot of hunters.
I started this season at rank 17, i climbed to 11 easily with tempo rogue, then after that i started playing ctrl warrior and handlock and reached 9 without much effort, haven't played today at all.
Thanks for the replies. It was just a really bad pack of games and I let it get to me. After a short break I decided to try again and got back to 9. Will probably wait for things to calm down a little now and play some Arena instead.
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"I am Richard, Chief Warlock of the Brothers of Darkness, Lord of the Thirteen Hells, Master of the Bones, Emperor of the Black, Lord of the Undead, and The Mayor of a little village up the coast."
There is a simple explanation for this: Only the best players are playing ranked at the beginning of a season. At the beginning of the season, the player pool temporarily shrinks. When lower and average ranked players start a match, they end up being matched against the better players, only lose to them, get discouraged and stop playing for the time being. Therefore there are no lesser ranked players to play against. Because you are stuck at a worse rank, it feels more frustrating. It creates the illusion that you’ve become less skilled, but that is not the case. Once the ranks even out and the lesser players get matched against more comparable opponents, things will go back to normal.
Of course it's not cookie cuttier and u feel more comfortable with one deck then the other, but it's not like i'm talking out of my ass, some decks just statisically do better versus a specific class. U might lose a favorable matchup 3 time in a row but that doesn't suddenly mean the matchup is bad.
There are general guidlines and percentages to follow.
You guys are overthinking the situation. You're probably on tilt and/or play bad decks for the situation.
The first week of seasons was always hard, that's nothing new. You guys just forgot how it was because u were used to sitting on whatever rank u where and expected to reach it again without effort.
Secondly, the point that this season is harder has no logic. If players that didn't really play that much constructed before are playing now, and u did play constructed before, how does that make it harder, you have the advantage over them.
Third, you need to play the right decks. If there's not alot of hunters, handlock is the best. If there is alot of hunters, you need to play druid or warrior, but you should play warrior because warrior has better matchup against druid.And do you know what's good against druids and warriors? Zoo. And what can own zoo? Hunter.
Tempo rogue is also good if there's not alot of hunters.
I started this season at rank 17, i climbed to 11 easily with tempo rogue, then after that i started playing ctrl warrior and handlock and reached 9 without much effort, haven't played today at all.
TL;DR - play the right decks.
I disagree with notion of having to play those exact decks. I'm rank 5 at the moment and I have played nothing but midgame centric control hunter. Just look at which are the most common decks you face and try to use a deck that fares well against the average of those.
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I was wondering if this has happened to others or is it something on my end. Having been cruising to Legend rank the previous two seasons I find the current one extremely harder (on EU). Reached rank 9 yesterday and since then have been falling constantly (rank 13 now). This has never happened before, so I don't know if these things just happen or am I not adjusted to the current meta. I'm playing the Legendary Control Warrior, but am constantly losing to Priests and the revamped Druids. Decided to try the Rush Hunter, but it didn't work for me.
"I am Richard, Chief Warlock of the Brothers of Darkness, Lord of the Thirteen Hells, Master of the Bones, Emperor of the Black, Lord of the Undead, and The Mayor of a little village up the coast."
I'm not that experienced with hearthstone's meta, but it seems like you're tilting.
Listening to music or taking a small break has helped me in other games when I have tilted.
I am in the same boat, getting kicked back at 13 when i used to get way lower than that before having this kind of trouble. Could be either the amount of people playing mindless rush decks this season or the fact that more people are actually trying to ladder because of the new rewards. Still have a long time to push through, hopefully can eventually do it.
More players, improving as they go, more players trying to ladder up. There will be bottle necks where everyone gets stuck, where all opponents will be more stubborn and better experienced. The players that are beating you may well have made high rank last season too. There's never a guarantee or a right to make it to a certain level. It's only going to get tougher too.
A good fraction of the players at rank 5-14 now were Legend in last season. You can either risk running into a lot of them randomly or wait for them to clear out.
After hitting Rank 3 last season I am on the same boat as you are. Finding hard to get past Rank 10. I adjusted my decks a little according to the meta so I hope it will solve some issues
You are free...to do as we tell you!
The competition is very strong at the moment. I hit rank 2 last season and I cannot get past rank 13 right now
I'm stuck around 12-13 too, currently. So don't worry, there's still plenty of time in April ;-)
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1. When ladder reset, everyone fell in rank. This happened before too, but with more players each season, and more regular players each season, you'll face other players that fell in rank along with you at lower ranks.
2A. Meta shifts.
2B. Semi-retired players may have come out to go for the new card backs, and other players may be playing more seriously. I personally tended to use whatever decks on Constructed ladder; decks I'd just cooked up, decks I had no experience playing, Angry Chicken or Lorewalker Cho decks, whatever. Right now, though, I want Legend for the card back, so I tend to mostly (not always, but a lot more) use pretty solid decks. (Not that Lorewalker Cho can't be solid).
3. RNG. Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose. Sometimes for no particular reason you end up losing a lot. Not making excuses, but literally you can play every card correctly, but because of initial and subsequent draws for you and the opposing player, and maybe a few decisions you make based on probable outcomes that turn out to be incorrect based on atypical RNG, you end up losing a lot. It happens. People tend to attribute losses to external factors like lack of cards, or lack of knowledge of meta, or lack of training, or imbalance, and sometimes they blame RNG for losses that were actually based on one of those just mentioned factors - but RNG *is* real, you *do* lose games to RNG, that's just how it goes.
4. Tilt. Sometimes your head isn't on straight and you make a lot of misplays, but because your head is messed up, you don't even know you're messing up. So you keep playing and attributing things to external factors, and you keep losing. If you record and review your games, you can sometimes see yourself tilting. If you don't record and review, it's hard to differentiate
5. Analysis paralysis. When you get stuck in superficial probabilities and meta analysis and can't see the forest for the trees, so to speak.
If you see a post that you find objectionable, report it, it helps keep the forum clean. But be aware people are allowed a lot of latitude.
If you find my posts to be rude, objectionable, or whatever, well, I got tired of writing polite TL; DR (Too Long, Didn't Read) posts at crybaby whiners. So now I just make it short and nasty.
If you find that funny, well and good. If you find that sad, that's even better.
Your problem sounds to me like you're not able to read the meta and you mindlessly use control warrior because you saw others win with it.
You say you run into a lot of priests huh, well that's because priest owns control warrior hard. Those players are reading the meta and do well because of it.
My advice is to see what you play against most often and just use the deck that counters that and do the best you can against everything else. Simple.
I'm seeing a lot of tilt this season, and it's still having a seriously awful effect on me. I attribute it to the somewhat fuzzy metagame in the starting ranks as I seem to either come up against strong archetypes or out-of-left-field piles of cards. The archetypes are rather consistent matches where win/loss comes down to skill and RNG, but the piles-of-cards can be the curveball where I just don't have answers to cards that almost never showed up last season and aren't on my radar as threats.
I've been forcing myself to take breaks when I start to tilt. As much as I want to dive back in and say, "I can do this! See!? See!!?" I'm playing better when I settle myself down first.
Frankly, I've retreated to Control Warrior simply because it's the only deck I can be certain has a chance against almost everything (Priest is one hell of a headache). I'm really hoping to get past the early ranks soon to swap to some decks that are a little more varied and less cookie-cutter.
On the "bitch and moan" front, it feels like the RNG is a bit less random. I've consistently gone 3-4 games at a time where I never see a card that's in there as a x2. I had a really frustrating run with Druid early on where I didn't see a single swipe in four games... and seeing a swipe would have made for a much different playtime. But I also know that it's in my head and RNG only seems broken when we're looking for something to blame. It'll come back to me eventually, and I'd rather have horrid RNG at rank 17 than face it when I'm in 10 or lower.
WARNING: Opinions change with the meta!
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You guys are overthinking the situation. You're probably on tilt and/or play bad decks for the situation.
The first week of seasons was always hard, that's nothing new. You guys just forgot how it was because u were used to sitting on whatever rank u where and expected to reach it again without effort.
Secondly, the point that this season is harder has no logic. If players that didn't really play that much constructed before are playing now, and u did play constructed before, how does that make it harder, you have the advantage over them.
Third, you need to play the right decks. If there's not alot of hunters, handlock is the best. If there is alot of hunters, you need to play druid or warrior, but you should play warrior because warrior has better matchup against druid.And do you know what's good against druids and warriors? Zoo. And what can own zoo? Hunter.
Tempo rogue is also good if there's not alot of hunters.
I started this season at rank 17, i climbed to 11 easily with tempo rogue, then after that i started playing ctrl warrior and handlock and reached 9 without much effort, haven't played today at all.
TL;DR - play the right decks.
Thanks for the replies.
It was just a really bad pack of games and I let it get to me. After a short break I decided to try again and got back to 9.
Will probably wait for things to calm down a little now and play some Arena instead.
"I am Richard, Chief Warlock of the Brothers of Darkness, Lord of the Thirteen Hells, Master of the Bones, Emperor of the Black, Lord of the Undead, and The Mayor of a little village up the coast."
The tilting this season seems really widespread and intense. Everyone needs a good break from time to time. Best of luck!
WARNING: Opinions change with the meta!
Watch me play! Laugh at my mistakes!
There is a simple explanation for this: Only the best players are playing ranked at the beginning of a season. At the beginning of the season, the player pool temporarily shrinks. When lower and average ranked players start a match, they end up being matched against the better players, only lose to them, get discouraged and stop playing for the time being. Therefore there are no lesser ranked players to play against. Because you are stuck at a worse rank, it feels more frustrating. It creates the illusion that you’ve become less skilled, but that is not the case. Once the ranks even out and the lesser players get matched against more comparable opponents, things will go back to normal.
Of course it's not cookie cuttier and u feel more comfortable with one deck then the other, but it's not like i'm talking out of my ass, some decks just statisically do better versus a specific class. U might lose a favorable matchup 3 time in a row but that doesn't suddenly mean the matchup is bad.
There are general guidlines and percentages to follow.
I disagree with notion of having to play those exact decks. I'm rank 5 at the moment and I have played nothing but midgame centric control hunter. Just look at which are the most common decks you face and try to use a deck that fares well against the average of those.