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No minion mage is tier 3 lol now. ("Oh good, another no-minion Mage." Yawn.) so this is moot point 

 I didn't say it was powerful. My point was that Standard's meta is beyond dull. Using mage as an example, the only decks I ever see on Standard are no-minion and Mozaki. Compare that to Wild, where you see both of those, as well as Quest, Reno, Elemental, and Secret. The same is true for just about every class. Hell, I saw a Jade Druid the other day. Just about fell out of my chair, it'd been so long. If you're willing to take your time laddering, you can stop at one of the floors, play some goofy/ fun decks, and play against a pretty diverse set of decks. Especially if you're in the middle of the month, when all the hard-chargers have already moved to the higher levels of the ladder.

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Speaking as a veteran player who funded the game, I will be in no way fucked if Wild dust costs get adjusted. I already have those cards; their costs are immaterial to me. I use them for Brawls and Duels, but I have very little interest in Wild as a format, because there are a lot of cards that make me think "I'm glad that rotated so I don't have to deal with it anymore."

You have no interest in the Wild format, your opinion is pretty clearly biased. You would be in every way fucked if you cared about Wild.

"I already have those cards their costs are immaterial to me" makes no sense to me. Cost is cost. Money is money. If you pay 10 bucks for something and it later costs 5 bucks, you got fucked. It was your decision, yes, it's good that it costs 5 instead of 10, yes, but you got fucked.

To your second point, I think you're overestimating the number of people who make their Gameplay Mode decisions based on relative costs of cards.

I think you're underestimating it.

People literally wait for the meta to settle before they craft anything. They care about dust more than anything. Of course not everyone would care, as you stated, not everybody cares about Wild and there will always be people who want to experiment new sets in standard, but I believe the impact would be significant enough to deter Blizzard from doing it.

Your timelines here are completely out of whack with how people actually play games, and with how value works. I bought a TV several years ago. I paid what it was worth at the time, and it has performed its function quite well, and continues to do so now. These days, if I wanted to buy that same TV, it would be cheaper to do so, but I would have gone without the TV for the intervening years. I didn't get fucked by not waiting to buy the TV until it halved in cost; if anything, I would have fucked myself by going TV-less (or using the very bad CRT that I replaced) in the meantime. The amount of time that passes between discounts matters. If we're talking about a scale of days, then yes, it would be a shame to miss a 50% discount by a couple of days. But if the discount doesn't apply until literal years later? That's not the same conversation. At all. It's a completely new set of evaluations and factors, chief among them being the opportunity cost of "having the thing now versus not having it until later." Your calculations of Wild card value are ignoring that very important factor as if the raw monetary cost (whether that's dollars or gold or dust) is the only thing that matters.

I would be in very few ways fucked if I played Wild. I'd be out of practice in the meta, that's true. I'd be fucked in that I would have to play against Rez Priest again, which is something I loathe doing, even if I win against them. But my cards would still function the same, because I already have them. If there was a meta-relevant card that I didn't have (which is possible; my collection is large but not 100% complete), then I could potentially craft it for cheaper than usual, which is the opposite of me being fucked. If I'm going against opponents with good cards, I'm not particularly fucked by that; for all I know, they bought/opened them the first time around like I did. If the cards are in the meta, they're already in the meta even without any influx from other players picking up the decks as well.

"People literally wait for the meta to settle before they craft anything. They care about dust more than anything." Okay, that's nice. But if they're waiting literal years to craft cards at a discount, then the meta will necessarily have moved on to something completely different in the intervening time, such that the card they were waiting to buy at half-off might no longer be relevant to the meta at all once it settles out.

I'm one of those folks that doesn't care about dust more than anything. I care about fun. And if more people can have more fun, and it costs less dust in 2021 than I would have paid back in 2017? Fine. That does not affect me. There's a lot of stuff that doesn't operate now the same way it did in 2017.

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Quote from PetiteMouche >>

Speaking as a veteran player who funded the game, I will be in no way fucked if Wild dust costs get adjusted. I already have those cards; their costs are immaterial to me. I use them for Brawls and Duels, but I have very little interest in Wild as a format, because there are a lot of cards that make me think "I'm glad that rotated so I don't have to deal with it anymore."

You have no interest in the Wild format, your opinion is pretty clearly biased. You would be in every way fucked if you cared about Wild.

"I already have those cards their costs are immaterial to me" makes no sense to me. Cost is cost. Money is money. If you pay 10 bucks for something and it later costs 5 bucks, you got fucked. It was your decision, yes, it's good that it costs 5 instead of 10, yes, but you got fucked.

To your second point, I think you're overestimating the number of people who make their Gameplay Mode decisions based on relative costs of cards.

I think you're underestimating it.

People literally wait for the meta to settle before they craft anything. They care about dust more than anything. Of course not everyone would care, as you stated, not everybody cares about Wild and there will always be people who want to experiment new sets in standard, but I believe the impact would be significant enough to deter Blizzard from doing it.

Your timelines here are completely out of whack with how people actually play games, and with how value works. I bought a TV several years ago. I paid what it was worth at the time, and it has performed its function quite well, and continues to do so now. These days, if I wanted to buy that same TV, it would be cheaper to do so, but I would have gone without the TV for the intervening years. I didn't get fucked by not waiting to buy the TV until it halved in cost; if anything, I would have fucked myself by going TV-less (or using the very bad CRT that I replaced) in the meantime. The amount of time that passes between discounts matters. If we're talking about a scale of days, then yes, it would be a shame to miss a 50% discount by a couple of days. But if the discount doesn't apply until literal years later? That's not the same conversation. At all. It's a completely new set of evaluations and factors, chief among them being the opportunity cost of "having the thing now versus not having it until later." Your calculations of Wild card value are ignoring that very important factor as if the raw monetary cost (whether that's dollars or gold or dust) is the only thing that matters.

I would be in very few ways fucked if I played Wild. I'd be out of practice in the meta, that's true. I'd be fucked in that I would have to play against Rez Priest again, which is something I loathe doing, even if I win against them. But my cards would still function the same, because I already have them. If there was a meta-relevant card that I didn't have (which is possible; my collection is large but not 100% complete), then I could potentially craft it for cheaper than usual, which is the opposite of me being fucked. If I'm going against opponents with good cards, I'm not particularly fucked by that; for all I know, they bought/opened them the first time around like I did. If the cards are in the meta, they're already in the meta even without any influx from other players picking up the decks as well.

"People literally wait for the meta to settle before they craft anything. They care about dust more than anything." Okay, that's nice. But if they're waiting literal years to craft cards at a discount, then the meta will necessarily have moved on to something completely different in the intervening time, such that the card they were waiting to buy at half-off might no longer be relevant to the meta at all once it settles out.

I'm one of those folks that doesn't care about dust more than anything. I care about fun. And if more people can have more fun, and it costs less dust in 2021 than I would have paid back in 2017? Fine. That does not affect me. There's a lot of stuff that doesn't operate now the same way it did in 2017.

 Ok... You opinion differs from mine and you bought a TV... your point being ? I wouldn't buy a TV if I knew I could get it for half the price down the line, period, doesn't matter if I could enjoy some TV time before everyone else, I wouldn't do it, and you would do it, good for you. And if you believe this is an abnormal and "out of whack" behavior, then we certainly live in very different countries and cultures.

I'm also fine if they half the cost of wild cards, as I stated multiple times. That will affect me because I got fucked big time, and that is my right to believe so, but i'm fine with it because it's for the greater good.

So again, what is your point ? That's a lot of text for what you already told me, that you don't care about wild and don't craft wild cards, so your opinion is biased and irrelevant, no matter how hard you try to pretend that you would feel the same if you cared about wild. Just what you said about rez priest is sufficient proof that you shouldn't ever be allowed to form an opinion about the wild format.

But if they're waiting literal years to craft cards at a discount, then the meta will necessarily have moved on to something completely different in the intervening time, such that the card they were waiting to buy at half-off might no longer be relevant to the meta at all once it settles out.

No shit dude, cards would rotate to a different format, it wouldn't matter how the meta settles during these 2 standard years, they wouldn't wait for the standard meta to settle in this case, OBVIOUSLY, they would just wait for the rotation and care only about Wild where all cards cost half the price, and THEN craft Wild meta cards. I just used this as evidence that people will go out of their way to save some dust. And if you give the option to people to wait 2 years for a 50% discount on everything, trust me that more than 50% of the community will take the opportunity, and no longer care about standard.

I'm also one of "those folks" who don't care about resource management and craft whatever I want whenever I want. You need to understand that we are barely 1% of the HS population. We are insignificant as data. And even I would move away from standard if they half the price of Wild cards, not because I care about my dust, but because i could simply craft twice as many cards.