I know there's been a lot of strong feels about this meta, already, and I'll add myself to that list. I LOVE it. What's surprising me the most is there actually seems to be a couple viable archetypes shaping up for each class. It seemed like there was a lot of chatter about there only being one viable deck type for several classes. Sure, I've lost to Quest Rogues and Mages in obscene ways, but I've also trounced those deck (with totally different decks). Yeah, the Quest Paladin is... underwhelming (at best), but things finally feel fresh. I am one of those people who was REALLY tired of hearing "We're gonna be rich!" over and over again.
My biggest criticism is that it seems like there's very little exploration in deck construction. A few streamers make some decks; they work, so lots and lots of people copy them. THAT seems to be the root of new meta issues, not the expansion itself. I know, I know... hey, if it works, why not go with it? Answer: Cause it leads to a stale meta super quickly. Sure, I netdeck too, but I am also enjoying tinkering around and creating my own. All I'm saying is: we're just a few days in... don't give up on the meta just quite yet.
My biggest criticism is that it seems like there's very little exploration in deck construction. A few streamers make some decks; they work, so lots and lots of people copy them.
That happens in every meta and not just Un'Goro. This at least feels refreshing and new, and like there's actual strategy and counterplay, and not just "durrrr pirates counter greedy jades, jades counter greedy reno, reno counters pirates, so it's balanced!"
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The new meta is very good and refreshing, though netdecks are ramping around again (but that is natural). There is atm great variety for most of the classes and also lots of new interactions and mechanics to try out.
Indeed this new atmosphere is what was needed after so many months of Reno/Jade/Pirates meta.
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My biggest criticism is that it seems like there's very little exploration in deck construction. A few streamers make some decks; they work, so lots and lots of people copy them.
That happens in every meta and not just Un'Goro. This at least feels refreshing and new, and like there's actual strategy and counterplay, and not just "durrrr pirates counter greedy jades, jades counter greedy reno, reno counters pirates, so it's balanced!"
No. Instead, now, it is "durrr Pirates counter combo rogues, combo rogues counter greedy control, greedy control counters pirates, so it's balanced!" ;)
Personally, I still don't think there is much of a "meta" to speak of. It's the skeleton of a metagame - but most midrange and control decks are far from streamlined.
Very little experimentation? Ok, let's see the decks I've seen streamers play and on ranked ladder.
Rogue
Quest Rogue with slight variations
Miracle Plant Rogue
Paladin
Elemental HandBuff Paladin
Murloc/Aggro Paladin
Hunter (Variations Throughout)
Quest Hunter
Hybrid Hunter
Midrange Hunter
Warrior
Pirate Warrior (Still the same build but slight new additions)
Quest Warrior
Warlock
Zoo, Discard/Regular/Quest. There is also quests that run more midrange
Control Lock (Handlock, with tons of variations)
Mage
Quest Mage (with 2 variations)
Secret Mage
Elemental Mage
Druid
Druid is all over the place. I can't get a handle on all the decks they are playing. Variations of quest, midrange, murloc, aggro, token, etc etc.
Priest
Also tons of variation and experimentation here. Quest, purify, elemental, control variations throughout. Yes silence priest is a real thing and it's viable.
Shaman
Quest Shaman
Elemental Shaman
Midrange and Jade is still a thing as well, and crosses over with Elemental.
In conclusion there are tons of different decks that are playable and tons of experimentation at high end play. The meta has insane amounts of variety. Complaining about netdecking is getting really old, because this meta has the most deck types I have ever seen get played in hearthstone.
My biggest criticism is that it seems like there's very little exploration in deck construction. A few streamers make some decks; they work, so lots and lots of people copy them.
That happens in every meta and not just Un'Goro. This at least feels refreshing and new, and like there's actual strategy and counterplay, and not just "durrrr pirates counter greedy jades, jades counter greedy reno, reno counters pirates, so it's balanced!"
No. Instead, now, it is "durrr Pirates counter combo rogues, combo rogues counter greedy control, greedy control counters pirates, so it's balanced!" ;)
Personally, I still don't think there is much of a "meta" to speak of. It's the skeleton of a metagame - but most midrange and control decks are far from streamlined.
Agreed. That's kinda what I was trying to say. Nothing is settled. Some early favs have appeared, but there's a lot left to discover.
Meta is good, every good card being legendary and or epic is not. Atm I can only play cancer decks because interesting / fun (quest) decks are behind pay wall.
Very fair criticism. You need to hit the jackpot with your few free packs, or... it does seem difficult to compete. With expansions past, people have created low cost decks that are workable. Wonder if that's gonna happen this time too (or not).
Very little experimentation? Ok, let's see the decks I've seen streamers play and on ranked ladder.
Rogue
Quest Rogue with slight variations
Miracle Plant Rogue
Paladin
Elemental HandBuff Paladin
Murloc/Aggro Paladin
Hunter (Variations Throughout)
Quest Hunter
Hybrid Hunter
Midrange Hunter
Warrior
Pirate Warrior (Still the same build but slight new additions)
Quest Warrior
Warlock
Zoo, Discard/Regular/Quest. There is also quests that run more midrange
Control Lock (Handlock, with tons of variations)
Mage
Quest Mage (with 2 variations)
Secret Mage
Elemental Mage
Druid
Druid is all over the place. I can't get a handle on all the decks they are playing. Variations of quest, midrange, murloc, aggro, token, etc etc.
Priest
Also tons of variation and experimentation here. Quest, purify, elemental, control variations throughout. Yes silence priest is a real thing and it's viable.
Shaman
Quest Shaman
Elemental Shaman
Midrange and Jade is still a thing as well, and crosses over with Elemental.
In conclusion there are tons of different decks that are playable and tons of experimentation at high end play. The meta has insane amounts of variety. Complaining about netdecking is getting really old, because this meta has the most deck types I have ever seen get played in hearthstone.
That is exactly what I was trying to say. I was speaking to those who think there is no variation. I feel like there's a lot and there will be more. Sure, there are so popular decks already, but that's always going to happen. I just saw some many people writing about how the meta is already dead or defined, so I had to write this post to disagree with them. I love what Un'Goro did to the meta!
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I know there's been a lot of strong feels about this meta, already, and I'll add myself to that list. I LOVE it. What's surprising me the most is there actually seems to be a couple viable archetypes shaping up for each class. It seemed like there was a lot of chatter about there only being one viable deck type for several classes. Sure, I've lost to Quest Rogues and Mages in obscene ways, but I've also trounced those deck (with totally different decks). Yeah, the Quest Paladin is... underwhelming (at best), but things finally feel fresh. I am one of those people who was REALLY tired of hearing "We're gonna be rich!" over and over again.
My biggest criticism is that it seems like there's very little exploration in deck construction. A few streamers make some decks; they work, so lots and lots of people copy them. THAT seems to be the root of new meta issues, not the expansion itself. I know, I know... hey, if it works, why not go with it? Answer: Cause it leads to a stale meta super quickly. Sure, I netdeck too, but I am also enjoying tinkering around and creating my own. All I'm saying is: we're just a few days in... don't give up on the meta just quite yet.
That happens in every meta and not just Un'Goro. This at least feels refreshing and new, and like there's actual strategy and counterplay, and not just "durrrr pirates counter greedy jades, jades counter greedy reno, reno counters pirates, so it's balanced!"
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The new meta is very good and refreshing, though netdecks are ramping around again (but that is natural). There is atm great variety for most of the classes and also lots of new interactions and mechanics to try out.
Indeed this new atmosphere is what was needed after so many months of Reno/Jade/Pirates meta.
For what profit is it to a man, if he gains the world and loses his own soul?
I think the meta is really good currently. Will probably only stay that way for 2 more weeks though.
That'll do, Huffer. That'll do.
Very little experimentation? Ok, let's see the decks I've seen streamers play and on ranked ladder.
Rogue
Quest Rogue with slight variations
Miracle Plant Rogue
Paladin
Elemental HandBuff Paladin
Murloc/Aggro Paladin
Hunter (Variations Throughout)
Quest Hunter
Hybrid Hunter
Midrange Hunter
Warrior
Pirate Warrior (Still the same build but slight new additions)
Quest Warrior
Warlock
Zoo, Discard/Regular/Quest. There is also quests that run more midrange
Control Lock (Handlock, with tons of variations)
Mage
Quest Mage (with 2 variations)
Secret Mage
Elemental Mage
Druid
Druid is all over the place. I can't get a handle on all the decks they are playing. Variations of quest, midrange, murloc, aggro, token, etc etc.
Priest
Also tons of variation and experimentation here. Quest, purify, elemental, control variations throughout. Yes silence priest is a real thing and it's viable.
Shaman
Quest Shaman
Elemental Shaman
Midrange and Jade is still a thing as well, and crosses over with Elemental.
In conclusion there are tons of different decks that are playable and tons of experimentation at high end play. The meta has insane amounts of variety. Complaining about netdecking is getting really old, because this meta has the most deck types I have ever seen get played in hearthstone.