It seems that I'm only seeing people QQing about tink's nerf but nobody actually discussing about how to replace it (or maybe I'm just too lazy / haven't looked enough). So, what would you guys replace tinkmaster with ? (How about we try to do a "per deck" kind of thing)
Depends a bit on your class. Druids could probably get away with using a Naturalize instead since they normally maintain lategame card advantage with Ancient of Lore. Mages and Shamans can obviously just use Polymorph/Hex as before. Depending on the card, Big Game Hunter and/or Faceless Manipulator are neutral cards that can be used to great effect.
Tinkmaster is irreplaceable, which is why everyone is QQ'ing. The best thing you can do is use a BGH, but even that doesn't give the same utility that Tink gives you.
Naturalize is terrible. Tink was amazing because he was essentially a neutral polymorph/hex. He gets rid of annoying big guys AND deathrattle effects like Cairne, Sylvanas and Tirion. But by all means, go ahead and naturalize those cards. lol Not the same.
But yeah, there is no single replacement that is as good as Tinkmaster Overspark was before he got nerfed. Druids will definitely suffer the most since Naturalize is their only hard removal card, and it isn't that good.
I already packed BGH in most decks I use. Along with Tink & Nat.
Already dusted mine, and don't miss them. They weren't essential to winning, they just made things a little more comfortable. People just need to get passed it, it's only 2 cards, if you had them, chances are your opponent did also.
I already packed BGH in most decks I use. Along with Tink & Nat.
Already dusted mine, and don't miss them. They weren't essential to winning, they just made things a little more comfortable. People just need to get passed it, it's only 2 cards, if you had them, chances are your opponent did also.
The owl is a nice cheap alt to Tink.
Those 2 cards are game changing cards, which is why they were nerfed in the first place. Nat is slightly more manageable now, while Tink is dead altogether.
The Owl is not a "cheap" alt to Tink. There is no alternative. There is no neutral card that gives you instant removal of an annoying minion/ability at once. The Owl will still leave a card like Ysera standing on the field as a 4/12. I would rather dispose of a 5/5 Devilsaur or better yet, turn Tirion into a Squirrel.
If you're playing a control druid, how about just using your beefy minions to get rid of opponents big threats? Or a well timed Swipe or Starfall? Druid is very versatile and just because they don't have a cheap way around hard removal of a threat, doesn't mean they can't get rid of them by trading minions or using spells. As my buddy Arnold usually says "Stop Whining!"
It'll turn any over powered, boosted minion back to normal, it removes taunt also. AT least you know what it's going to revert/turn something back to, there's no 'chance' involved that it'll end up as strong or stronger.
I didn't suggest it to you anyway, you're an expert sure, you don't need advice :P
It'll turn any over powered, boosted minion back to normal, it removes taunt also.
I didn't suggest it to you anyway, you're an expert sure, you don't need advice :P
Now that I think about it, I seem to recall you being the same guy who were complaining about Priests being broken AND having the best hero ability. rofl. This explains your example.
I never said priest was 'broken'. I said they all play the same.
What's your point? I fail to see one here tbh.
Give a better option than the owl and stop moaning. I might even try it myself.
This is about suggestions, not trying to be more right. Quoted from OP "So, what would you guys replace tinkmaster with ?" - I said what I use, who are you to contend?
I never said priest was 'broken'. I said they all play the same.
What's your point? I fail to see one here tbh.
Give a better option than the owl and stop moaning. I might even try it myself.
This is about suggestions, not trying to be more right.
In what way am I moaning? I got 6400 dust from dusting my 2x Golden Tinks.
The topic was about replacements for Tinkmaster. There are no true replacements to what he does. This is a fact. Adding BGH, silences are decent replacements, but they aren't comparable to what Tinkmaster does. That's all I'm saying.
The first person to respond already mentioned adding BGH as a replacement. Owl is useful to some extent, but he's not getting rid big guys like Ragnaros anytime soon by himself.
Owl silences ANY minion you choose. You can use it on your own Ancient Watcher if needed. Hardly situational.
Read the edited post - OP asks "What would you guys replace Tink with?" - I simply gave what I am using, for now. i could change any time, nothing is etched in stone.
Owl silences ANY minion you choose. You can use it on your own Ancient Watcher if needed. Hardly situational.
Read the edited post - OP asks "What would you guys replace Tink with?" - I simply gave what I am using, for now. i could change any time, nothing is etched in stone.
Owl only gets rid of the ability and leaves the minion on the board. In addition, Owl is a crappy minion by itself. There is no doubt that Owl is useful to a certain extent, but there are better cards that can be used in his place. Like I said, he can handle the 10/10 Lightspawn that you're so scared of, but he won't handle the big finishers that Tink was used for... which is why Druids are in dire need of hard removal like Tink.
A 5/5 devilsaur is more manageable compared to a silenced big body minion like a 4/12 Ysera.
The alternative for Tink in a Druid deck right now for hard removal will have to be BGH or Naturalize. I'm not too fond of Naturalize because of the card advantage it gives your opponent. I'm even considering running a 2nd BGH, but I think that's overkill.
It seems that I'm only seeing people QQing about tink's nerf but nobody actually discussing about how to replace it (or maybe I'm just too lazy / haven't looked enough). So, what would you guys replace tinkmaster with ? (How about we try to do a "per deck" kind of thing)
Depends a bit on your class. Druids could probably get away with using a Naturalize instead since they normally maintain lategame card advantage with Ancient of Lore. Mages and Shamans can obviously just use Polymorph/Hex as before. Depending on the card, Big Game Hunter and/or Faceless Manipulator are neutral cards that can be used to great effect.
Tinkmaster is irreplaceable, which is why everyone is QQ'ing. The best thing you can do is use a BGH, but even that doesn't give the same utility that Tink gives you.
Naturalize is terrible. Tink was amazing because he was essentially a neutral polymorph/hex. He gets rid of annoying big guys AND deathrattle effects like Cairne, Sylvanas and Tirion. But by all means, go ahead and naturalize those cards. lol Not the same.
I took Tinkmaster Overspark out of my decks last night and put in Big Game Hunter. He worked perfectly on a Leeroy Jenkins that had been buffed up to 10 attack by a Rogue using Cold Blood.
But yeah, there is no single replacement that is as good as Tinkmaster Overspark was before he got nerfed. Druids will definitely suffer the most since Naturalize is their only hard removal card, and it isn't that good.
I already packed BGH in most decks I use. Along with Tink & Nat.
Already dusted mine, and don't miss them. They weren't essential to winning, they just made things a little more comfortable. People just need to get passed it, it's only 2 cards, if you had them, chances are your opponent did also.
The owl is a nice cheap alt to Tink.
Those 2 cards are game changing cards, which is why they were nerfed in the first place. Nat is slightly more manageable now, while Tink is dead altogether.
The Owl is not a "cheap" alt to Tink. There is no alternative. There is no neutral card that gives you instant removal of an annoying minion/ability at once. The Owl will still leave a card like Ysera standing on the field as a 4/12. I would rather dispose of a 5/5 Devilsaur or better yet, turn Tirion into a Squirrel.
If you're playing a control druid, how about just using your beefy minions to get rid of opponents big threats? Or a well timed Swipe or Starfall? Druid is very versatile and just because they don't have a cheap way around hard removal of a threat, doesn't mean they can't get rid of them by trading minions or using spells. As my buddy Arnold usually says "Stop Whining!"
It is a cheap alt. It removes a hell of a lot, it's been a life saver for me at times. A 2 mana drop that turns a 10/10 light spawn back to a 0/5??
Everyone is an expert and loves to disagree with suggestions, but what works, works. It's just an option. Nobody has to use it ;)
Yes, please tell us what else it will turn back into a 0/5. Priests aren't even that much of a problem.
That's called an example ...
It'll turn any over powered, boosted minion back to normal, it removes taunt also. AT least you know what it's going to revert/turn something back to, there's no 'chance' involved that it'll end up as strong or stronger.
I didn't suggest it to you anyway, you're an expert sure, you don't need advice :P
Now that I think about it, I seem to recall you being the same guy who were complaining about Priests being broken AND having the best hero ability. rofl. This explains your example.
I never said priest was 'broken'. I said they all play the same.
What's your point? I fail to see one here tbh.
Give a better option than the owl and stop moaning. I might even try it myself.
This is about suggestions, not trying to be more right. Quoted from OP "So, what would you guys replace tinkmaster with ?" - I said what I use, who are you to contend?
In what way am I moaning? I got 6400 dust from dusting my 2x Golden Tinks.
The topic was about replacements for Tinkmaster. There are no true replacements to what he does. This is a fact. Adding BGH, silences are decent replacements, but they aren't comparable to what Tinkmaster does. That's all I'm saying.
The first person to respond already mentioned adding BGH as a replacement. Owl is useful to some extent, but he's not getting rid big guys like Ragnaros anytime soon by himself.
AND you're example was highly situational.
Owl silences ANY minion you choose. You can use it on your own Ancient Watcher if needed. Hardly situational.
Read the edited post - OP asks "What would you guys replace Tink with?" - I simply gave what I am using, for now. i could change any time, nothing is etched in stone.
Owl only gets rid of the ability and leaves the minion on the board. In addition, Owl is a crappy minion by itself. There is no doubt that Owl is useful to a certain extent, but there are better cards that can be used in his place. Like I said, he can handle the 10/10 Lightspawn that you're so scared of, but he won't handle the big finishers that Tink was used for... which is why Druids are in dire need of hard removal like Tink.
A 5/5 devilsaur is more manageable compared to a silenced big body minion like a 4/12 Ysera.
The alternative for Tink in a Druid deck right now for hard removal will have to be BGH or Naturalize. I'm not too fond of Naturalize because of the card advantage it gives your opponent. I'm even considering running a 2nd BGH, but I think that's overkill.
But if you already use BGH? As I have done for weeks now.
Sorcerer's apprentice is another good target for the owl in early game, as I've just done here.
Guys, just try to remember what you were using BEFORE Tinkmaster Overspark became popular.
And: the nerf affects both players. It's not just YOUR deck, that is a little bit weaker now...
- senti
I only had Tink for 2 weeks or so. I'm simply going back to what i used before, for me, that was the owl + BGH
replaceIronbeak Owl or Spellbreaker for Tinkmaster Overspark