I think it's much better than mad bomber. Mad bomber sees no play ever and is frankly isn't good at all in lots of situations. Knife juggler however is definitely stronger than flame juggler. Flame juggler is really good against paladins and stuff though for breaking divine shields/killing silver hand recruits.
I don't get it. Truesilver Champion deals a total of 8 damage for 4 mana, Fireball deals a total of 6 for 4. Truesilver champion is by no means balanced(omg guys spam the "OP" button)! Don't even get me started on Consecration being able to hit 8 targets (dealing 16 damage in total!!!!).
Your deck still contains "unbalanced" cards m8, still I r8 8/8
If you are arguing that truesilver champion is better than fireball it's actually pretty close. Fireball does the damage in 1 turn, bypasses taunt, activates mana wyrm and flamewaker and antonidas, gets a discount from sorcerers apprentice and can be used in conjunction with a second fireball to burst down an opponent. Not to mention your hero doesn't take damage when casted on a minion.
Are decks that high level players use in tournaments necessarily the best ladder decks as well? Or are they specifically used to counter other tournament decks that you know your opponent is bringing?
Shocktologist created zoolock and it was popularized by Reynad. Shouldn't you be crediting those guys? I don't see a single mention of either
It's most likely because this deck is ancient and he is writing the exact decklist that he used to climb which was nobodies. It's pretty ridiculous to expect him to put the original creator of any already existing deck unless it's an exact same list they used recently and only they had used it. Decks like this, handlock, control warrior, combo druid I doubt most people know who originally made them after all this time of people teching in their own cards. He never said he made up zoolock he did make this exact decklist though not the entire archetype. Also don't be critical of him spending his time to make this guide so other people could possibly have ladder success. I do however think that there is no reason he should actually be credited if someone uses the deck and posts a video on youtube because it is a pretty standard decklist for zoo.
Oh guys i didn't mean to offend anyone, just saying that heavy cntr decks are completely not viable and cheap midrange and aggro decks are all over the place, and that's a wrong way to approach it.
Saying heavy control decks aren't viable? Do you even like play the game? Control warrior is a super strong deck it's pretty much just ramp druid which isn't that good anymore.
Lol complaining about someone having an OK arena deck. Come on now I expect at least the complaints on this site to be more than someone getting a good curve in arena. Ridiculous.
Is control warrior a good deck to ladder? How are it's matchups against paladins and tempo mage? I really like playing the deck but I don't want to try to ladder with it unless it's really good because the games take so long.
Are decks like this that make it to the top of the most upvoted actually top tier or more just for fun? Like would this deck be at all tournament viable?
Terrible idea. People who have paid wouldn't have their money refunded or anything and blizzard would lose a ton of money. Why not just make card packs free or better yet just give everyone a free full collection. Like seriously do you think this would be a good idea it's pretty ridiculous. Maybe if none of the cards were used ever it might be almost acceptable to lower the price a bit but so many of the cards are top tier cards it just isn't something I could think would ever happen.
I personally don't grind ladder very often but I play a bit and last season I went from rank 8 or 9 to rank 4 with a slightly above 70% winrate with this deck before I stopped using because of TGT and fun new decks. This season I decided to break it out and in the first week I went from 17 to 9 with only a few losses here and there. I know that very many people have used a similar deck and got like top 10 legend and stuff though. Also it might be hard to find the time to critique your play because it's my first day of school tomorrow and I'm gonna have lots of stuff but I will just have to wait and see how busy I am.
Hm that's tough. Usually this deck is generally favoured vs. other control matchups. I never put more than 3 big things because then it is incentive to board wipe. Try to bait out clear and always keep track of their aldor peacekeepers, executes, shield slams etc so you know what they have left in their deck. A lot of it is reading the opponents and seeing what they do and finding out if they have cards or not. Like an example is if you have a mountain giant out on like turn 5 and its an 8/7 and they don't clear it with a spell it's an easy read so you might not hesitate to damage one of your other guys because no fear of an execute or similar situations to that. Also if possible use jaraxxus late game and don't isolate him as your demon when you have a voidcaller out because he can really outlast opponents late game by placing the guaranteed 6/6. It is a tough deck to play right and it will come with more practice and such.
Edit: Also if you have trouble facing control you can always take out like 1 zombie chow and replace with a bigger card if need be, same with against aggro you can always tech in and out cards.
I dont have the Fel Reavers, Boom or Naxx, working around with what I currently have on my collection
k well don't use big game hunter or harrison definitely, sylvanas is decent, and then you could just run maybe like the mechanical yeti and keep the tinkertown tech.
Don't run harrison jones, don't run sylvanas, don't run BGH. I run dr.boom and 2 fel reavers instead of that and a loatheb instead of second technician and it has got me to rank 9 from 17 with only a couple losses. You just have to try to get 1 drops and vomit your hand on the board in the most efficient way possible pretty much and then rush them down.
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I think it's much better than mad bomber. Mad bomber sees no play ever and is frankly isn't good at all in lots of situations. Knife juggler however is definitely stronger than flame juggler. Flame juggler is really good against paladins and stuff though for breaking divine shields/killing silver hand recruits.
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If you are arguing that truesilver champion is better than fireball it's actually pretty close. Fireball does the damage in 1 turn, bypasses taunt, activates mana wyrm and flamewaker and antonidas, gets a discount from sorcerers apprentice and can be used in conjunction with a second fireball to burst down an opponent. Not to mention your hero doesn't take damage when casted on a minion.
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Are decks that high level players use in tournaments necessarily the best ladder decks as well? Or are they specifically used to counter other tournament decks that you know your opponent is bringing?
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It's most likely because this deck is ancient and he is writing the exact decklist that he used to climb which was nobodies. It's pretty ridiculous to expect him to put the original creator of any already existing deck unless it's an exact same list they used recently and only they had used it. Decks like this, handlock, control warrior, combo druid I doubt most people know who originally made them after all this time of people teching in their own cards. He never said he made up zoolock he did make this exact decklist though not the entire archetype. Also don't be critical of him spending his time to make this guide so other people could possibly have ladder success. I do however think that there is no reason he should actually be credited if someone uses the deck and posts a video on youtube because it is a pretty standard decklist for zoo.
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Saying heavy control decks aren't viable? Do you even like play the game? Control warrior is a super strong deck it's pretty much just ramp druid which isn't that good anymore.
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Lol complaining about someone having an OK arena deck. Come on now I expect at least the complaints on this site to be more than someone getting a good curve in arena. Ridiculous.
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Is control warrior a good deck to ladder? How are it's matchups against paladins and tempo mage? I really like playing the deck but I don't want to try to ladder with it unless it's really good because the games take so long.
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I have all the needed cards except baron geddon but I have other legendaries that can fill up his spot if need be.
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Are decks like this that make it to the top of the most upvoted actually top tier or more just for fun? Like would this deck be at all tournament viable?
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Terrible idea. People who have paid wouldn't have their money refunded or anything and blizzard would lose a ton of money. Why not just make card packs free or better yet just give everyone a free full collection. Like seriously do you think this would be a good idea it's pretty ridiculous. Maybe if none of the cards were used ever it might be almost acceptable to lower the price a bit but so many of the cards are top tier cards it just isn't something I could think would ever happen.
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I personally don't grind ladder very often but I play a bit and last season I went from rank 8 or 9 to rank 4 with a slightly above 70% winrate with this deck before I stopped using because of TGT and fun new decks. This season I decided to break it out and in the first week I went from 17 to 9 with only a few losses here and there. I know that very many people have used a similar deck and got like top 10 legend and stuff though. Also it might be hard to find the time to critique your play because it's my first day of school tomorrow and I'm gonna have lots of stuff but I will just have to wait and see how busy I am.
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Hm that's tough. Usually this deck is generally favoured vs. other control matchups. I never put more than 3 big things because then it is incentive to board wipe. Try to bait out clear and always keep track of their aldor peacekeepers, executes, shield slams etc so you know what they have left in their deck. A lot of it is reading the opponents and seeing what they do and finding out if they have cards or not. Like an example is if you have a mountain giant out on like turn 5 and its an 8/7 and they don't clear it with a spell it's an easy read so you might not hesitate to damage one of your other guys because no fear of an execute or similar situations to that. Also if possible use jaraxxus late game and don't isolate him as your demon when you have a voidcaller out because he can really outlast opponents late game by placing the guaranteed 6/6. It is a tough deck to play right and it will come with more practice and such.
Edit: Also if you have trouble facing control you can always take out like 1 zombie chow and replace with a bigger card if need be, same with against aggro you can always tech in and out cards.
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k well don't use big game hunter or harrison definitely, sylvanas is decent, and then you could just run maybe like the mechanical yeti and keep the tinkertown tech.
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Don't run harrison jones, don't run sylvanas, don't run BGH. I run dr.boom and 2 fel reavers instead of that and a loatheb instead of second technician and it has got me to rank 9 from 17 with only a couple losses. You just have to try to get 1 drops and vomit your hand on the board in the most efficient way possible pretty much and then rush them down.
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grim patron is really good at the moment, sadly i cant help you with the deck myself though