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To all those who think this card will be good, I highly suggest you read this article Kibler wrote about Fel Reaver, and especially the first half of it.

While old, it perfectly explains why burning cards from your opponent's deck is way different than burning cards in hand and why it doesn't really do much.

http://bmkgaming.com/understanding-fel-reaver-hearthstone-theory/

 It doesn't work like that at all, and weirdly enough it is now becoming a common mistake to try to relate these two. You are trying to compare the passive RNG of important cards staying at the bottom of your deck, which is a perfectly acceptable condition of every card game & one we've all been through, to the active (and at least double) active card destruction from the top of your opponent's deck. The distance between these two is quite big.

Plus, there is a crucial difference: Fel Reaver was throwing away your OWN cards in a deck specially made not to bother you for losing them. GV is actively destroying your opponent's cards, which he put there for a very specific purpose. Apples to oranges?

 Did you even read the article? the first half of it, like I wrote, specifically talks about destryoing your OPPONENT'S deck, not your own. the first half of it doesn't even talk about fel reaver. 

 Of course I've read the article. Regarding Fel Reaver, I commented on it. Not related to the issue.

Regarding the first half, it is only partly correct in saying that a resource is not immediately available if it is not in your hand. However, all resources are also put in a deck for a very specific purpose, to serve a particular strategy in the best way possible. And of course all of them have the chance to be destroyed.

Literally every card in a deck, due to the very limited card space, has a very, very specific role - and it goes without saying that since you put it there, it's part of an optimised - and very possibly netdecked - strategy. Now a card (actually 2 since it will most likely be run in duplicate, without any Brann, Brewmaster etc. tricks) will be instantly destroyed.

An aggro deck will possibly shrug it off and keep on spamming minions and damage (even though in these cases there is STILL damage to be done, for example by destroying an Arcanite Reaper, a Force of Nature, a Living Mana, a big board buff, an Evolve/Devolve etc).

A midrange or control deck can also be hurt - a lot. Destroying a big board wipe or a crucial hard removal? Check. Destroying one of the big value/win condition cards like Drakonid Operative, Lyra, Gadgetzan, Antonidas, Alex, one of the new Hero cards, or the buff targets? Check. etc etc.

And I don't even have to describe what will happen against combo decks.

• you will never draw Antonidas
• I have a RC on board

Will you win that game? Most likely, because my deck must be crap if I got nothing better to play on turn 2 then a RC. It'll be a fast and easy win for you.

Scenario 2: Same as Sc.1, but this time I play a River Crocolisk with the text "Show the bottom card of your opponents library to all players".

• you will never draw Antonidas
• I have a RC on board
• we both know you will never draw Antonidas

Will you win that game? Sure, not much changed. My deck is still crap. We both will play differently because of the additional information, of course.

Scenario 3: Same as Sc.1, but this time I play a River Crocolisk with the text "Remove the bottom card of your opponents library".

• you will never draw Antonidas
• I have a RC on board
• we both know you will never draw Antonidas
• you are 1 turn closer to fatigue

Will you win that game? Sure, not much changed. You know that you'll win before you would have drawn him anyways. Hey, I'm playing a damn River Crocolisk...

Scenario 4: Same as Sc.1, but this time Antonidas is on top of you deck and I play a Gnomeferatu.

• you will never draw Antonidas
• I have a RC on board
• we both know you will never draw Antonidas
• you are 1 turn closer to fatigue
• the game gives you the impression that Antonidas would have been the next card drawn

Will you win that game? No, you will rage concede because I "destroyed" your combo. But the difference to scenario 1 is marginal.

So the power of Gnomeferatu is more of a psychological one. Of course there are some cases in which the card would have influence of the game: if it goes to fatigue, if you have other tools to reliable mill your opponents deck, if there are cards to manipulate the (top of the) library.

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This is a River Crocolisk people. Nothing else. When you play this and remove, let's say an antonidas, you STILL didn't accomplish anything other than giving your opponent valuable information. This is NOT a good card. The only reason to play it is to tilt opponents who don't understand how this card works.

 

This card is bad. But I voted playable, because of the rant and crying about it. I will play it and laugh about people rage conceding versus a River Crocolisk 😀

6 Mana - 6/6

Poisonous
Can't be targeted by spells or Hero Powers

I wonder how this card (text) willl be shown to the opponent?  "Deathrattle: ..... or ...." ?

I agree to the majority, that this card is bad.

I could only imagine only one scenario that could make this card playable: If there will be a bunch of cards that do something awful, whenever your minions get damage.