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Why does everybody have to be in the late game?

Isn't something that is good about Battlegrounds is that is shorter games than most of the other "auto-battlers".

Maybe it should be a brutal struggle for survival.  Maybe the very few decisions offered in the early turns should count.

I am against the everyone gets a trophy mentality.

What I think works about Battlegrounds right now is there is no set pattern or group of minions that is an "auto-win", unlike say the Floating Watcher meta.  Final boards vary greatly in their diversity.

Millhouse and Deathwing need fixed.  Rafaam too probably.

Daryl has no end game -- he's great at finishing 4th, 3rd or 2nd -- but 1st place is mighty damn hard because he cannot replace his overstated minions.

Other players using Brann or the busted Tier 5/6 minions or even just synergy doom Daryl.

Sure, it costs 2 health but having an extra minion on Turn 5 and being able to have a fat board and go to Level 5 on 9 mana is a fast track to getting in position to develop a board for the end game.

Does it really cost 2 health if the alternative is getting smacked for 5 every round because Bob keeps offering you crap and you don't have the mana for a re-roll?

I remember winning with her with back when getting a coin cost 3 health, but that was a rather steep price.  My recent games with her have been easy street wins.

She might be the least frustrating hero to play of them all.  You can even re-roll Turn 1 if Bob gives you some serious turd burglar minions for open.

1. Wider selection on the first tavern pick

So every single game everyone starts with a 2/3 murloc or Tidecallers?

2. Damage to be capped at 10

So games take way longer?

How about give everyone a trophy too?

It feels bad to lose.  Now imagine something far worse --- the games taking 20 more minutes.  The guy with an early Brann or other early buffing minion is still going to win most games that take 20 more minutes.  Be thankful you lost quickly.

Millhouse is stupidly broken.  He went from last place to first place in the hero win rate.

I'm sure they'll figure out some way to fix him.

I think I'm usually Tier 6 at 9 mana with him, which is probably the norm for everyone using him that knows how to use him.

They also need to fix Bob's Tavern somehow, that Nozdormu is #2 or #3 in win rate is kind of a sign that is getting total crap in the Tavern is a problem.  Sometimes when I go Tier 5, Bob gives me a whole ton of trash unit from the low tiers or awkward units nearly every re-roll.

I don't know how they can fix it, but the most successful heros right now other than Milhouse are ones that don't depend so heavily on the Tavern (Van Cleef, because he can buff any Tavern garbage, Rafaam because extra units, Toki because of Cheating, Alexstraza/AFK/Elise because of discover, Ysera with the free dragons, Pyramad who can also buff garbage, )

Tier upgrades any more can be semi-dangerous because it reduces the probability of Triples and Bob's Tavern is dangerously bad.  And it feels like the probability of your Triple discover being Trash is too high as well.  There are just too many bad units in Tier 4 or Tier 5 right now.

I heard here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SqRvxpTZsZ4

that Battlegrounds is going to cost $20 after the next expansion.

I personally am happy that they are going to monetize Battlegrounds because that means they will continually work on Battlegrounds and evolve it further.

They say that instead of $20, you can use 2000 gold.  I myself basically quit playing Ranked in Standard after Battlegrounds came out, so I don't have any good reason to buy packs so should have that amount of gold accumulated.

Yeah it happened to me once.

I was hoping to fight a corpse.  Instead I had to fight the top dog yet again and I lost.

So naysayers, it's late late game.  One of the remaining players is Flurgal.

How are you feeling about your chances in the game?

I just lost a game where I was Alexstraza and had 2 Nadina and a board of fat dragons.  -25 to Flurgal who had divine shield, poisonous, windfury murlocs.

I've played 3 games with Flurgal --

1) First game came in 4th place, died with 3 health.  If someone didn't kill me right there, I wasn't going to lose again.  I had a frozen 2x triples board at Tier 5.

2) Second game, won.  Cake walk.  12 health at 9 mana.  Never lost again.

3) Third game.  Lost terrible.  Bob wouldn't ever give me a Murloc.

Flurgal plays like Alexstraza --- get to Tier 5.  If you live 2 more turns, you won't lose again.  He takes a pounding earlier in the game.

Played Fungalmancer Flurgal twice.  Fun to play.  Broken.  He'll get nerfed in a week for sure.

Best ever?? You're high. Games are complete trash now. Tirion and DW top 4 almost every game. In my games I'd say 1/2 of the players are DEAD before 10 turns which is EXTREMELY early. There is no late game anymore.

Maybe you aren't in the late game because you haven't figured out how to play the new patch.

To be honest, I was frustrated as you are for a few days after the new patch.  What I was used to doing did not work -- not at all, and I couldn't win.  Then I watched a bit of Savjz videos and saw how I needed to adjust.

Now, I have to get terrible luck to not be in the deep late game.

Battlegrounds might be at its best ever right now.

It is very difficult to acquire synergy, so to compete you have to level up and hope to luck into synergy or find a cherry high tier minion and build around it.

This is far better than automatic snowballing murlocs or demons or mechs.

Pre-patch, if I had Bartendotron, I would 100% get to play at least 1 Gentle Megasaur before I died -- because I'd make a beeline to Tier 5 and maybe jump to 6 if I felt secure or desperate.  It wasn't a question of "if", but how much health I would have and a question of whether the Megasaur was do or die on hitting Divine Shields.

(I could also do the same with Yogg pre-patch.  Hitting a few key minions with hero power could produce a significantly over-stat board allowing fearless leveling for at least a couple of turns in a row.  And Rafaam for obvious reasons.)

Now the Brann minion is almost useless because the minion pool is so diluted you can't find any Murlocs or battlecry minions for the type of board you have.  And Tier 6 is so diluted now, Megasaur is an oddity on Triples or even being at Tier 6.

Consistency is the enemy of good Battlegrounds games.  You should win with your wits combined with luck while trying to play the odds. instead of very reliable and secure win patterns.

So yeah, hard to find easy reliable paths to victory in the current Battlegrounds.

Makes it a way better game than watching some unstoppable Bartendotron, Yogg, Rafaam or Tirion effectively lock up the game in the first 5 turns due to sheer unstoppable inertia.

Thanks for this advice!

I had been a bit hesistant to play as Alexstrasza.  Then Alex was one of my options, I selected her and viewed this thread following instructions.

Finished #1 with an incredible board against several extremely powerful opponents (divine shield poisonous murlocs, big dragons like mine, huge mechs).  I had lost to boards like mine in the past and wondered how the hell they got them because I can never find "the good dragons".

This game I was the guy with the 118/122 Dragon and a 44/46 dragon to go along with it plus Nadina.  2 other players had similar Dragons and Nadina, but I got my Dragons earlier so they were a little bit larger.

(I got pummeled badly good on turns 6, 7, 8 .. )