Hearthpwn

hey guys

So i wanted to just state why the so called "tier" list is basically just an illusion created by people who feel the need to justify their actions. Now before  i get to my point, ive been playing Trading card games ever since High school on things like Yugioh, Pokemon ( yes lol) and Magic the gathering for over 10 years and i can generally understand concepts of what is what when it comes to play styles. Ive noticed for the past year and half that netdecking has become basically the norm and its pretty much accepted because its all about winning at all costs. Ive been playing hearthstone ever since launch and i can tell you for sure that for the past year there has never been a faster settling meta then ive seen. Now is it wrong to play a deck because you are more likely to win? obviously you would want to pick something is more appealing. Like you wouldnt play IronBark Protector over the lich king because its not even up for debate. The issue at hand, Its a very tribal time where basically anything that isnt the norm is overlooked or just dismissed because of impressions.

Too often in Card reviews are basically reviewed in 2 scopes....1 is it a good card? and 2 does it fit in a Tier 1 deck?  The issue is that streamers that review cards only praise a card if it doesnt meet both standards. This is where card reviews are just flat out wrong most of the time and its basically off of laziness; No its not that their thinking about the card itself...but its more of  if the card in question can exist in a meta that already set. I remember there was a card review Trump did with Ungoro where he basically rated every single priest card crap because priest wasnt a good class. Trump is basically the embodiment of what the  normal perception of a player is. 

So what makes a deck "tier 1"? thats the main topic at hand. Ive played in many meta in Magic the gathering and in hearthstone as well and to me it basically comes down to 2 factors. 1, can the deck get to its end point of winning the game constantly? 2. Can the deck in question help you get out of problems you would have to figure out? Now i know youre gonna say..."thats like what Cubelock or spiteful does and thats why their tier 1". To me i believe any deck with a group of a good cards can be a vessel of getting wins,It doesnt have to be flashy either. What most people dont understand is that deck building correctly can make all the difference. Obviously if you build something with Big Game hunter you will not do as well against decks with small minions.. but that is where you learn,but the issue is that the part of learning how to make something better isnt there cause most people only care about what on top; This is a result of why metas become more stall quickly. A few years ago in hearthstone normally one or two decks would be the most common deck on ladder and you knew who the target was. You could build your deck against something like face hunter and generally be okay. The problem is now there is about 3 or 4 decks that are popular and that creates a bad game of rock paper scissors, but really its just rocks pounding rocks.

I know this topic is probably gonna poorly by those who are spike and think they know everything. But i feel like we are going into same pattern only because we dont learn from mistake of looking at cards and decks for what they could be,  

Baku Warrior is so good that ive had 4 hunters instaconcede . 

Play Warrior,  I heard Whirlwinds are pretty good against 1/1 minions

Control Warrior is wayyyy more fun than Quest Warrior. 

So once again.....Blizzard fails to figure out a stupid combo deck that basically makes Control decks useless. Its only been ONE DAY and yet it seems like the meta is basically solved already? why is this? It seems like most the community is just a bunch of netdeckers. They will basically watch someone popular on stream and then its gonna be played nonstop. its pretty sad we have a new format all together and yet its basically Shaman, Warlock and paladin in my first 50 games of this ladder. Knowing the community, this is basically whats gonna be the norm...which is a shame cause Odd Mage and Odd Control Warrior are pretty good decks, but Shaman OTK just shits all over control decks. 

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So Blizzard trying to make mage in this expansion minion mage / elemental mage... TIER 4 incoming LUL

this is why players on this website make me laugh. This card isnt playable whatsoever. 

I think if im building a Control Warrior id rather have rotten applebaum than this.

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Similar to Cobalt Guardian which never saw play... I don't have high hopes for this. 

 

 even tho its 1 mana less and one more health AND it has divine shield already sooooooo not a good comparison 

 More precisely: 1 mana less, 2 attack less and it already has the divine shield.

Better comparison: C'Thun's Chosen . Never saw play outside C'thun decks.

But what I personally probably underestimate is the powerdecrease of the rotating two expansions and adventure. Maybe this will be good enough due to that. Although with the croweded 4 mana slot in Paladin I doubt it.

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with 4 4/3 you lost 1 stat, also relys on a 2nd card for healing (dschinn, etc).  It`s easy to remove (so most likely the card is dead and you have no chance to reactivate Divine shield. Sad because  would be good synergie wit Bolvar :(  

Hype around this card just shows the level of knowledge of the average hearthpwn user.

Reminds me how many people claimed Mistcaller was op, with very few sane people actually telling people why it's trash.

This card even requires you to build a deck with bad cards, since all high health cards people are mentioning either rotated out or are must remove cards anyway no matter how much attack they have (ysera and other big dragons).

For this card to work, blizzard must release at least 3 or 4 midrange, tempo, high health minions who are good without getting buffed.

Minions like that were in this standard cycle, but now there aren't any left (try building the deck if you don't believe me).

reading through this thread the community seems to amaze me more and more everyday. lol

Im getting myself back into standard and gearing up for the new expansion and ive played about 3 days and 30 or so games going from rank 13 to rank 8 and good god im so tired of it already. about 50 to 60% of my games are against either dude or murloc pally and the then the other 30% is cubelock, spiteful priest or secret mage and then the last 10% is everything else. Im curious what everyone else wants to see from this new expansion. im hoping warrior can make a comeback and produce a half decent deck along with new shaman and rogue decks being made from the new set would be cool too.

True, but then again, defile is insanely strong.

I enjoy a lot playing Control Warrior (Dead Man's Hand Warrior), but this deck is usually listed as trash tier. Why? Because most people suck at piloting decks that require real decision making (although there have been some exceptions), that is all. I even purchased Magni around a week ago to have even more fun while playing with this wonderful deck and I'm having a blast.

Ok, ok, definetly it's not the best deck out there and I haven't hitted legend with it yet, but it is not a piece of garbage as many say.

Who else loves playing with this deck? Do you agree most people suck at decision making?

especially at this point i think its kinda awkward to make too many assumptions about card strengths - 3 sets are rotating and only a handful of the new cards are released so its rather impossible to make any guess which archetypes will emerge/become strong.

couldn't stop laughing when i saw the "im disappointed with witchwood" thread

I always get a bit of a chuckle out of someone literally saying "How can you think this card is good, it doesn't fit into any meta decks".  I'm pretty sure I've seen so many variations of that sentence haha.

I try to view everything with an open mind.  Even in doing so, I'm probably wrong all the time lol.  But yeah, good job on the effort of making this post, but it's not going to reach the people it's truly aimed at, or they just won't care and they will continue judging cards poorly lol.

Able to tankup from turn 2 everygame is huge for  CW. I dont see how a common aggro deck break through this wall..they have to expand fast, only fall in brawl, or reckless flurry, or god know mass aoe CW receive this expansion. Vs control, the game will be slow and CW easily amass about 15-20 armor when the game begin to heat up and can wait for his right control value card to come in play, which we dont know what team5 have instore for us yet. Execute can be replace with a gorehowl or new removal warrior have this expansion. Guldan hero power now useless vs us, that deck even lose Nzoth. The only way Controlock can win is through Darkpact his own Rin, thats will not true anymore if we have a sort of surewin condition this time. 

You don't know what the new set will bring to the class, so it's actually way too early to say if it will be good or bad. So just wait and see.