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In the golden age of Hearthstone aggro decks were trying to end the game before turn 6 and midrange decks were trying to do so before turn 10. How come that now turn 10 is considered not a late game, but something expected in every game?
Pirate Warrior was kinda dumb, but Zoolock was always widely considered as an example of not mindless aggro (contrary to Face Hunter, which also required a lot of thought to pilot optimally). Saying that face deck requires zero thought to play because it just optimizes face damage and tempo deck requires zero thought to play because it just optimizes grabbing the board is like saying that control requires zero thought to play because it just removes everything. All of that requires thinking. Your nightmare meta is a meta where only early tempo matters, absolutely understandable. Is it impossible to say without underestimating the complexity required to optimally pilot all of the decks relying on early pressure?
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I absolutely don't want combo to be OP. You said "the board-based decks should have an easier time reaching the set rank", so combo should be weaker than everything else. I would like it too, since I hate combo playstyle, but it's not balanced by any means.
The whole point of aggro decks vs everything and midrange decks vs control is to not give you, as a control player, enough time to answer them. If you're always able to answer them and every game reaches turn 10, they are dead as aggro and in huge disadvantage as midrange, which means control is OP. If that happen, combo comes to save the day, but combo have harder time reaching the set rank, so not used by anyone except for dedicated combo fans. Do you really not see that you described the balanced meta as the ultra-greedy, heavily control dominated meta?
Yes, I prefer to know that I'm dead by turn 5 rather than realize by turn 10 that I have small chance to win and have to concede or play 30 extra minutes. That's why I never minded aggro decks, despite my matchups against them typically were unfavorable most of the time and when I pick my deck, if options are equal, I will pick the one that counters most annoying combo or control deck, not aggro.
I'm just pointing that everything you want leads to the same control mindset about skills being tested only if game is hour long when in reality most of the combo decks, as much as I don't like them, are more skillful than control, and piloting control is not harder than piloting aggro in my experience.
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Obviously. By far the most enjoyable Blizzard's game, breathed life into one of my favorite genres, has been around for a long time already. The best F2P game I have ever played.
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Ideal (my personal one, will never happen): tempo meta with the power level of 2016-2017. No OTK, less mana cheat, less card generation, less board clears, less heal, more minion combat, more opportunities to have a flexible game plan. Rogue and Priest are bad, DH and DK are not in the game.
Nightmare: 1. Fatigue meta with very long games. 2. Solitaire meta. 3. Control-dominated meta countered by OTK decks.
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I think balanced meta is a meta where every type of deck has at least a couple of different viable decks, there is no deck with too big winrate and every class has at least one playable (tier 3 or better) deck. The problem is, it's harder and harder to achieve with endless power creep and bigger difference between high and low levels of play (so they need to balance several metas at once).
He doesn't want aggro dead, he wants control to be OP. I mean, "the board-based decks should have an easier time reaching the set rank" clearly indicates that he wants an advantage over combo too. It's interesting how in such threads aggro, midrange and combo players typically say that everything should be viable and some control players just come to rant about how the game is unbalanced and skill is not required because games are not long enough, basically implying that the game is balanced and skillful only if it is dominated by control (or even fatigue in most severe cases).
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The experience is different: there is no pressure about the result. It's casual play mode, not casual deck mode. Those who play ultra competitive decks (aka normal decks) are likely to play more casually in this mode.
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I use casual in different ways. Sometimes it's learning how to pilot a deck I'm totally unfamiliar or uncomfortable with, sometimes it's completing a daily quest with a deck I consider too bad for ranked (the most common is Nozdormu daily quest, the card I hate as a boomer APM player and wouldn't ever touch if I was not forced by Blizzard), sometimes it's testing if my homebrew is playable. Since I use it differently, sometimes my deck is "too good", sometimes it's the other way around. Who cares? It's casual.
There should not be an etiquette about which deck to pick. Who should decide if deck is too strong for casual? What if someone will proclaim that casual should be played with basic cards only and you shouldn't roll over them with your OP (relative to theirs) deathrattle deck, would you listen to them?
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Blood and frost are ok, average class, far from mage
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Hahaha "Random nobody has more than 37,000 subs on YouTube" what a gold
That's how you roast Blizzard btw. Amazing twit by Tyler, amazing stupidity by Blizzard, Zeddy sneak in like a ninja
https://www.reddit.com/r/hearthstone/comments/wz0z5k/update_now_the_official_hearthstone_twitter/
GothamChess (2 mln viewers) makes chess content. Why is he more popular than Zeddy? He doesn't complain about the rules.
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Yep, I never heard of him anywhere but this forum and thought this guy is like a cult leader for whiners or something. At some point it was looking like it's Zeddy himself making threads about him, because I don't know who would care about him so much. The funniest opinion about him I saw was, direct quote, "If he says he is happy [about the balance patch] the whole HS community should be grateful to Zeddy he is the one who’s fighting our battle against Blizzard". Turns out, some if his haters are not so far from that in terms of giving him too much credit.
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Try to close the game and open it again, worked for me
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Well, then I won't try to convince you anymore. You obviously have some different experience. What most of the players and I see in the second half of their runs is approximately this (my last run with DK):
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Please, play more than one run, especially with other classes, and you will see what's going on. DK doesn't have many overpowered cards by modern standards, but still dominates like no class in any meta before. The main reason of DK's domination is that there are no old sets with cards printed before 1-2 waves of power creep for DK, and the current rotation is full of old sets.
The fuss is about 5 classes being bad and 4 classes being unplayable.
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It will not rise to 70% because of mirrors. It's already 63%, and probably will stay in low 60's, which is still unprecedented and completely ridiculous, and if we exclude mirrors, it would be more than 70% for sure, 80% maybe.
Only in ranked. You can't actively counter anything in arena, meta will not develop that much. Initial stats cannot make even 5% shift without devs intervention. Right now it's 1 OP class, 1 strong class, rest in dumpster. It never was like that, even after DH launch it wasn't nearly as bad, despite DH being oppressive.
You look at this from constructed perspective. It's not the same as when some archetype in ranked enjoying itself with 70% winrate beating bad decks on day 1. There is not much to settle. If some class is higher than 55% in arena, it is already too strong, if class is at 45%, it's already very bad. Devs usually try to keep classes in 53%-47% range, with some classes fall lower. If class is below 40%, it should never be picked. Well, this changed for now, since there are 4 classes below that mark at this point so they can't be completely avoided. 63% is unseen levels of broken, it means that even the best players in the game, leaderboard levels of good, will not be favored against average player if they not being offered DK or Paladin and average player got DK. Paladin is broken too btw, but DK is so oppressive that Paladin looks like a normal top class by winrate.
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It's just not a great choice of the name of the mechanic. Should be named "unreachable", "unattainable" or something like that. I think immune was chosen over those because of most common use of it, immune while attacking, where it fits perfectly and describes permanent divine shield part of the mechanic, but permanent stealth part of the mechanic is missing.