Who is running denathrius in the top decks right now, druid and…? What is “value priest” even? It sounds like you don’t have a wincon and the strategy is to answer and withstand all threats your opponent plays then play your power spike. It’s a dead strategy. Look, I love priest too, it’s my favorite class. I understand what you want to play, but those days are gone. It’s not just denathrius that killed it either. The value in priest now is draw/discount and naga priest isn’t up or down, it’s one of the best decks if not the best deck depending where you are on the ladder. Theotar is bad card and trying to play 20 turns is a long gone strategy. I’m not saying Theotar was never good or that he isn’t good in your case, but attrition decks that grind out games are going away. If you think it’s bad now, wait until DK comes out, there is no way decks that don’t have a proactive wincon stand a chance.
Here’s the thing about Theotar, he’s bad. He was bad at 5 mana. He is bad at 6 mana. It’s a turn 6 4/4 with no immediate impact. I see everyone saying he steals denathrius and so he is mandatory, but that is pretty much for ramp Druid and maybe phylactery warlock. The best decks and most popular decks don’t care about Theotar at all. Shaman being able to abuse it with schooling is a different story because you are almost guaranteed a terrible trade, so it makes Theotar a bit better. If you are playing Theotar, cut him and win more games. Theotar is so niche that if you need him to beat ramp Druid, you are probably going to lose to one of the other wincons in that deck.
Well you hit a good point there. Most top dog decks dont need Denathrius,
Not to skew the conversation here (since this thread is about Theotar rather than Denathrius), but it's probably worth mentioning that he featured in EVERY deck in the recent tournament. If he wasn't needed, then I am pretty sure this wouldn't have been the case.
Here’s the thing about Theotar, he’s bad. He was bad at 5 mana. He is bad at 6 mana. It’s a turn 6 4/4 with no immediate impact. I see everyone saying he steals denathrius and so he is mandatory, but that is pretty much for ramp Druid and maybe phylactery warlock. The best decks and most popular decks don’t care about Theotar at all. Shaman being able to abuse it with schooling is a different story because you are almost guaranteed a terrible trade, so it makes Theotar a bit better. If you are playing Theotar, cut him and win more games. Theotar is so niche that if you need him to beat ramp Druid, you are probably going to lose to one of the other wincons in that deck.
Well you hit a good point there. Most top dog decks dont need Denathrius, runing him in token druid and imp lock is kind of "optional" You have REALLY good reasons to run him on Warlock tho. The problem is: what about the other top decks? Value mage, value rogue, Paladin, Ramp Druid, those kind of decks have a card that will beat u if you play slow decks of any kind that dont insta win, if you dont have Theotar.
Theothar is just Half of the problem, the other half is this meta with decks that cant dealt with Denathrius, Tess, cards with really strong Battle Cry effects that change win the game when played. What do u do against those cards? The main reason why Theothar is played in every single deck is that...well there is nothing better to play to balance the game. Devs dont like him, probably players neither but without him a lot of decks would be doomed.
Mage doesn’t need Denathrius and has redundancy. Rogue is playing jackpot, Theotar does little against this matchup. Paladin is the same, if you have to choose between jailer and Denathrius, is it better to play something else? The answer to denathrius decks is to play something more proactive that has a gameplan. Relying on Theotar to solve denathrius isn’t it.
What is a more proactive gameplan y classes that dont have it? "Play Naga Priest" and accept to lose to board clear when you dont draw the combo or your oponent just hold hard removal forever until you commit or just try to win the matches against not AoE decks which wont happen neither. Nope, there is not other answer than Theothar and Mutanus for MY decks. Try the dragon package against this meta, its not even enough with all the pro-active plays it has. Face it, Denatrius kill most out-meta decks right now. You have access to heavy minion/spell spam or you have an OTK or just dont play this expansion.
Play a more proactive deck. Play thief rogue, naga priest, implock, beast hunter, relic DH, big spell mage… none of these decks care about Theotar. If you are playing against Druid, the only class currently able to play brann/Denathrius reliably, kill them before they have a fully charged Theotar. Every other class running denathrius needs at least 10 turns if not more to play him, try to win before then?
Here’s the thing about Theotar, he’s bad. He was bad at 5 mana. He is bad at 6 mana. It’s a turn 6 4/4 with no immediate impact. I see everyone saying he steals denathrius and so he is mandatory, but that is pretty much for ramp Druid and maybe phylactery warlock. The best decks and most popular decks don’t care about Theotar at all. Shaman being able to abuse it with schooling is a different story because you are almost guaranteed a terrible trade, so it makes Theotar a bit better. If you are playing Theotar, cut him and win more games. Theotar is so niche that if you need him to beat ramp Druid, you are probably going to lose to one of the other wincons in that deck.
Well you hit a good point there. Most top dog decks dont need Denathrius, runing him in token druid and imp lock is kind of "optional" You have REALLY good reasons to run him on Warlock tho. The problem is: what about the other top decks? Value mage, value rogue, Paladin, Ramp Druid, those kind of decks have a card that will beat u if you play slow decks of any kind that dont insta win, if you dont have Theotar.
Theothar is just Half of the problem, the other half is this meta with decks that cant dealt with Denathrius, Tess, cards with really strong Battle Cry effects that change win the game when played. What do u do against those cards? The main reason why Theothar is played in every single deck is that...well there is nothing better to play to balance the game. Devs dont like him, probably players neither but without him a lot of decks would be doomed.
Mage doesn’t need Denathrius and has redundancy. Rogue is playing jackpot, Theotar does little against this matchup. Paladin is the same, if you have to choose between jailer and Denathrius, is it better to play something else? The answer to denathrius decks is to play something more proactive that has a gameplan. Relying on Theotar to solve denathrius isn’t it.
Here’s the thing about Theotar, he’s bad. He was bad at 5 mana. He is bad at 6 mana. It’s a turn 6 4/4 with no immediate impact. I see everyone saying he steals denathrius and so he is mandatory, but that is pretty much for ramp Druid and maybe phylactery warlock. The best decks and most popular decks don’t care about Theotar at all. Shaman being able to abuse it with schooling is a different story because you are almost guaranteed a terrible trade, so it makes Theotar a bit better. If you are playing Theotar, cut him and win more games. Theotar is so niche that if you need him to beat ramp Druid, you are probably going to lose to one of the other wincons in that deck.
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Who is running denathrius in the top decks right now, druid and…? What is “value priest” even? It sounds like you don’t have a wincon and the strategy is to answer and withstand all threats your opponent plays then play your power spike. It’s a dead strategy. Look, I love priest too, it’s my favorite class. I understand what you want to play, but those days are gone. It’s not just denathrius that killed it either. The value in priest now is draw/discount and naga priest isn’t up or down, it’s one of the best decks if not the best deck depending where you are on the ladder. Theotar is bad card and trying to play 20 turns is a long gone strategy. I’m not saying Theotar was never good or that he isn’t good in your case, but attrition decks that grind out games are going away. If you think it’s bad now, wait until DK comes out, there is no way decks that don’t have a proactive wincon stand a chance.
Tournament is so different than ranked ladder.
Play a more proactive deck. Play thief rogue, naga priest, implock, beast hunter, relic DH, big spell mage… none of these decks care about Theotar. If you are playing against Druid, the only class currently able to play brann/Denathrius reliably, kill them before they have a fully charged Theotar. Every other class running denathrius needs at least 10 turns if not more to play him, try to win before then?
Mage doesn’t need Denathrius and has redundancy. Rogue is playing jackpot, Theotar does little against this matchup. Paladin is the same, if you have to choose between jailer and Denathrius, is it better to play something else? The answer to denathrius decks is to play something more proactive that has a gameplan. Relying on Theotar to solve denathrius isn’t it.
Here’s the thing about Theotar, he’s bad. He was bad at 5 mana. He is bad at 6 mana. It’s a turn 6 4/4 with no immediate impact. I see everyone saying he steals denathrius and so he is mandatory, but that is pretty much for ramp Druid and maybe phylactery warlock. The best decks and most popular decks don’t care about Theotar at all. Shaman being able to abuse it with schooling is a different story because you are almost guaranteed a terrible trade, so it makes Theotar a bit better. If you are playing Theotar, cut him and win more games. Theotar is so niche that if you need him to beat ramp Druid, you are probably going to lose to one of the other wincons in that deck.