Illuminate is a 3 mana tempo gain with a discover attached, how more broken does it need to be? If we're talking about cards in a vacuum I don't think you can get much stronger in power level. It will have full effect with any spell costing 3 or more, in any deck, in any class.
This is just plain incorrect. Illuminate does not discover, it dredges. The huge difference between the two is with discover you get the card in hand, while dredge puts the card on top of your deck.
Fair enough. But it still enables too much nonsense. It's better off banned from the wild format where it's way more broken than Vile Library.
We are tired of turn 3 Neptulon turn 4 resurrect Neptulon. Well, except priest players and people playing in the low ranks.
Illuminate is a 3 mana tempo gain with a discover attached, how more broken does it need to be? If we're talking about cards in a vacuum I don't think you can get much stronger in power level. It will have full effect with any spell costing 3 or more, in any deck, in any class.
A three mana tempo gain (maybe) next turn at the cost of 1 card (in a vacuum) and doing nothing now. I only play standard and this card see's very little play. Maybe it's abused in wild in combo with other things, but not in a vacuum.
Abused would be putting it nicely... Illuminate needs to be banned from wild.
No, Vile Library is not the most broken card in that format by a veeeery long shot.
Illuminate is only broken when it hits shadow essence, otherwise it's a pretty bad card to be honest. Palm reading is basically the same, if shadow essence is in hand or if it discovers another shadow essence, broken, otherwise trash card, overall they are pretty balanced, but they are extremely polarizing and don't feel good to play against, I agree. But keep in mind when they don't hit shadow essence, they feel bad for your opponent too.
You never feel bad when playing Vile library, even on empty board, you can easily refill your board the next turn and get a huge buff for free.
Another proof I can give you that Vile library is a better card in a vacuum is that it just got nerfed, illuminate didn't. Actually I think Illuminate should be banned from Wild, not nerfed. Palm reading is just fine at the power level of Wild format.
Illuminate is a 3 mana tempo gain with a discover attached, how more broken does it need to be? If we're talking about cards in a vacuum I don't think you can get much stronger in power level. It will have full effect with any spell costing 3 or more, in any deck, in any class.
Vile Library is just an annoying card in annoying deck archetype that will hopefully disappear as soon as possible. It's strong because we're not in a token / buff meta. If it was played in the days of odd paladin when everybody had 1 damage mass removal and silence it would be worthless.
Imagine how strong any secret card could have been when mysterious challenger aka doctor six was popular and everyone was running secret tech.
Palm Reading is also repaying itself for a free discover allowing for earlier combos. Many deck archetypes in many classes could benefit from it. It's a very powerful card also run in spell OTK priest (way faster than my OTK quest shaman) and Inner Fire OTK priest.
If you play standard where those cards don't have such a strong effect, it might be a matter of perception. I've played only wild for a few years now.
Fair enough. But it still enables too much nonsense. It's better off banned from the wild format where it's way more broken than Vile Library.
We are tired of turn 3 Neptulon turn 4 resurrect Neptulon. Well, except priest players and people playing in the low ranks.
My comments refer mostly to the wild format.
Abused would be putting it nicely... Illuminate needs to be banned from wild.
No, Vile Library is not the most broken card in that format by a veeeery long shot.
My comments refer mostly to the wild format.
Illuminate is a 3 mana tempo gain with a discover attached, how more broken does it need to be? If we're talking about cards in a vacuum I don't think you can get much stronger in power level. It will have full effect with any spell costing 3 or more, in any deck, in any class.
Vile Library is just an annoying card in annoying deck archetype that will hopefully disappear as soon as possible. It's strong because we're not in a token / buff meta. If it was played in the days of odd paladin when everybody had 1 damage mass removal and silence it would be worthless.
Imagine how strong any secret card could have been when mysterious challenger aka doctor six was popular and everyone was running secret tech.
Palm Reading is also repaying itself for a free discover allowing for earlier combos. Many deck archetypes in many classes could benefit from it. It's a very powerful card also run in spell OTK priest (way faster than my OTK quest shaman) and Inner Fire OTK priest.
If you play standard where those cards don't have such a strong effect, it might be a matter of perception. I've played only wild for a few years now.
My comments refer mostly to the wild format.
No way, Illuminate and Palm Reading are far more broken in wild.
My comments refer mostly to the wild format.