I think it's the honeymoon phase here but people are trying a lot of different decks that were not working before.
1) Gratz for your success.
2) If you ask me, yeah, I also think it's the honeymoon period, full of experimentation and "a delightful variety of decks", but I think it's a kinda temporary, as the meta will settle once again. In a week or two the figured out dominant decks will appear on the meta tier lists from popular sites, people will play them more in order to have success etc etc. But despite that imho the play experience won't be dulled, because:
- the feel of staleness won't last long, as this expansion and game year will only last 2 months (or less) - (kinda the same as above) a new expansion and rotation are just around the corner, meaning yet another honeymoon period, this time however with an even more fresh experience, as new cards will get introduced.
So I'm glad to hear you are having fun on the ladder, I don't know how optimistic or naive I was with the title, but I agree, we are facing fun times atm.
i have play abaout 15 games in rank 5 so far 1 quest rogue, 1 miracle rogue, 1 quest druid, 1aggro druid, 2 tempo mage, and over 10 warlocks. so in rank 5 it's really look in warclockstone right now.
Imho that's because it's the obvious deck. I personally think, that in a day or two people will play the decks, which counter control and cubelock, i.e. we will see many combo ones, which were hindered by the presence of aggro pre-nerf and will burn/fatigue the slow warlock decks. Examples I can think of are - quest mage, mill rogue, combo priest, then probably tempo mage and possibly quest rogue??? Dunno about you, I will let the meta and people's creativity surprise me.
I know, that it's early to ask, as the patch came in just a few hours ago, but what is your experience on the ladder atm? What decks are you experimenting on and trying to revive? Can we spam here more, in order to reflect how the meta changes? I really want to see, if I was way too optimistic with this thread or if the meta will really prove to be fun for (almost) all to enjoy.
And let's try to be more constructive with the posts, thank you.
Ooh, I forgot about the spiders. Ok, I am kinda exhausted and I didn't really check the current builds, but the spiders, I admit, sound really promising. Yeah, really enthusiastic to see how the rogue decks will look like and which of them will become/remain popular in the next 2 months.
But don't forget, that the card pool was different back then. Rogues had 2x Azure Drakes and 2x Tomb pillagers + the HoF-ed conceal and maybe other things, which I can't name atm.
But imho, and I don't want to offend anyone, miracle rogue doesn't have anything new or strong to offer. Even if you include Vanish, Valeera and concentrate on the end-game value, this deck will still feel fair to play against. But imho it will be another case with Kingsbane rogue - it shows so much potential to thrive, as if the meta becomes slow, then this deck wrecks slow decks by milling them, by vanishing every threat (slowing the opponents even more), by running an endless damage-dealing source. This deck has more win-conditions that the miracle variant.
But this is my opinion, I don't have any knowledge of the rogue class, so I don't think, that my opinion can be the correct one at the end.
Agree with you entirely, but I'm kinda skeptical about shaman. The combo you mentioned is admittedly strong, but kinda hard to pull, the problem however imho is not with the set-up, but with drawing all the pieces. This is where shaman suffers - the card draw overall, as all of the good options are only available in wild (ancestor's knowledge, azure drake and what not) and in this regard shaman benefits from its card draws only in the short term, as they try to end the game quickly. The more you postpone it ... well, almost every other class except hunter can overwhelm you by card advantage.
I understand the critique towards the title, I also said it in the first sentence "Ok, so I may be exaggerating a bit, but imho with all of these changes most of the current popular decks will take a hit, [...] this will lead to a drastic change for the remaining 2 months".
And once again - because those changes will be so influential, the meta will be shacked a lot. At least so far, that we will see some decks becoming popular again, which felt a bit underwhelming before and thus ditched. All of this is more than enough for my standards to call it a "new meta", at least until the next expansion comes.
Wow, Leute, as if I didn't say "let's be positive".
I mean, everyone has their own opinion, I completely understand your frustration regarding warlock and its different arch-types (control and cube), but why so negative? Looking at all the aforementioned meta predictions I have the feeling, that people said them with disgust, as if when naming them people wanted to throw up. Why are you constantly denying every single THING played in this expansion? I see people laso complaining about tempo mage, -//- rogue, Satellite priest, aggro pally, murloc pally...
And I can't, I just can't understand this community, how it is so pessimistic about everything. And tbh I started this thread just to start a healthy conversation, I may also add, a positive one - all of us sharing the expectations and the thrills of which decks/cards we can't wait to play. And what do I see? - bunch of salty kids, which took the opportunity to write something outside of the salty thread.
Look, I don't want to offend you, I am aware, that not everyone would be pleased with the upcoming changes - some are sad for losing powerful cards in their decks, others want to see a change for warlock as well - whatever the reason is, you are more than welcome to express your opinion, but for the love of God, can you quit your typical salty posts, which you also fill the other threads with, just for once?! Garbage meta? Do you know what a garbage meta means? For me this is the current play experience - monotonous, obvious and repetitive - before the nerfs occur; another example - way back in Gadgetzan, where you constantly saw Pirate Shaman/Warrior <- > Jade Dudu <-> Reno deck <-> Something else (except hunter, rarely a paladin). Others can name even more worse times.
Look, guys, I honestly believe we can expect more from the upcoming changes, but you have to open minded, you have to consider them as an opportunity to do, to play something different. And I for once am excited to see those decks, which some of you mentioned with loathing, because they didn't have a chance to see that much play once the meta settled. I even believe we will see even more forgotten decks and maybe an experiential period again.
I wonder how necessary Cubelock will be. It was basically played so it could maybe beat Razakus. Now it can probably just heal out of range. I think the control list might be better now.
Also - Murloc Paladin is still crazy good.
About murloc paladin - I agree, I persolly like the stength of that deck a lot. Some people prefer their paladin decks to get wider, I like how murlocadin becomes taller.
Anyway 'bout cubelock - it's true, that control warlock is favoured in that MU, as it can build miles of big walls thus stopping every attempt of an aggression. I witnessed it from first hand, but cubelock can also become a more defensive than offensive. Currently I run a greedy (= fun) package featuring N'Zoth with no giants. So although the deck is really a slow one, I like how it has multiple win-conditions, each is based on your MU. So imho people will cut the giants, as they won't be necessary anymore. Priest won't be that problematic, warlock players won't feel threatened to run a proactive package in order to race the burning combo.
Ok, so I may be exaggerating a bit, but imho with all of these changes most of the current popular decks will take a hit, some will be hit harder than the others, but I think this will lead to a drastic change for the remaining 2 months. Maybe not within the meaning of forming entirely new decks, but at least within the one, that forgotten ones will finally make a comeback. The play experience will become a lot more fresh.
Before I continue, I am aware, that control warlock (more specifically cubelock) will become a dominant deck due to its powerful tools (in cubelock's case due to its cheesy character). Although warlock is my favourite class, I wouldn't have minded a change to the Lackey, tuning him down a bit. But if we forget that for just a moment, then we can see how many other decks, namely slow ones, can finally breath freely, as they won't feel strangled by anyone anymore:
Slower (control or mid-range) paladins decks can rise once more - I'm seeing the new weapon becoming popular. Mage? Don't know about big spell or grinder, but quest will return for sure. Hunter - now their start won't be that weak in comparison to the other aggro deck's. Priest - dunno about Satelite priest, but big priest is definitely making a comeback. Rogue - kingsbane rogue has a big potential, as it does so well against slow decks with full hand sizes. Druid - jade. Possibly big, but dunno about that. Warrior and Shaman - kinda not seeing them pop up at all. Let's hope they will be rejuvenated in the next expansion.
Some of the already exisitng ones, which will be nerfed in February, by no means necessary will be wiped from the face of the Earth. I think Raza can still find a way to survive, this time maybe with more value-granting cards (Elise), maybe more of a control deck and less of a combo one, but I won't cross out Highlander from the game. The Kele decks are taking a huge hit, maybe Rogue will just leave the Creepers? Zoo can just find a better Package than Patches? Paladins??? Token dudu still has the support from the Un'goro, theoretically they can find another package.
Dunno, those were my thoughts on the upcoming meta. Anyway what do you guys think it will look like? I hope everyone is excited about it as much as I am and let's refrain from the typical salty cubelock spams, I mean, I'm also aware of it, but let's be positive.
- (kinda the same as above) a new expansion and rotation are just around the corner, meaning yet another honeymoon period, this time however with an even more fresh experience, as new cards will get introduced.
Kinda reviving the thread for a bit:
I know, that it's early to ask, as the patch came in just a few hours ago, but what is your experience on the ladder atm? What decks are you experimenting on and trying to revive? Can we spam here more, in order to reflect how the meta changes? I really want to see, if I was way too optimistic with this thread or if the meta will really prove to be fun for (almost) all to enjoy.
And let's try to be more constructive with the posts, thank you.
Wow, Leute, as if I didn't say "let's be positive".
I mean, everyone has their own opinion, I completely understand your frustration regarding warlock and its different arch-types (control and cube), but why so negative? Looking at all the aforementioned meta predictions I have the feeling, that people said them with disgust, as if when naming them people wanted to throw up. Why are you constantly denying every single THING played in this expansion? I see people laso complaining about tempo mage, -//- rogue, Satellite priest, aggro pally, murloc pally...
And I can't, I just can't understand this community, how it is so pessimistic about everything. And tbh I started this thread just to start a healthy conversation, I may also add, a positive one - all of us sharing the expectations and the thrills of which decks/cards we can't wait to play. And what do I see? - bunch of salty kids, which took the opportunity to write something outside of the salty thread.
Look, I don't want to offend you, I am aware, that not everyone would be pleased with the upcoming changes - some are sad for losing powerful cards in their decks, others want to see a change for warlock as well - whatever the reason is, you are more than welcome to express your opinion, but for the love of God, can you quit your typical salty posts, which you also fill the other threads with, just for once?! Garbage meta? Do you know what a garbage meta means? For me this is the current play experience - monotonous, obvious and repetitive - before the nerfs occur; another example - way back in Gadgetzan, where you constantly saw Pirate Shaman/Warrior <- > Jade Dudu <-> Reno deck <-> Something else (except hunter, rarely a paladin). Others can name even more worse times.
Look, guys, I honestly believe we can expect more from the upcoming changes, but you have to open minded, you have to consider them as an opportunity to do, to play something different. And I for once am excited to see those decks, which some of you mentioned with loathing, because they didn't have a chance to see that much play once the meta settled. I even believe we will see even more forgotten decks and maybe an experiential period again.
Ok, so I may be exaggerating a bit, but imho with all of these changes most of the current popular decks will take a hit, some will be hit harder than the others, but I think this will lead to a drastic change for the remaining 2 months. Maybe not within the meaning of forming entirely new decks, but at least within the one, that forgotten ones will finally make a comeback. The play experience will become a lot more fresh.
Before I continue, I am aware, that control warlock (more specifically cubelock) will become a dominant deck due to its powerful tools (in cubelock's case due to its cheesy character). Although warlock is my favourite class, I wouldn't have minded a change to the Lackey, tuning him down a bit. But if we forget that for just a moment, then we can see how many other decks, namely slow ones, can finally breath freely, as they won't feel strangled by anyone anymore:
Slower (control or mid-range) paladins decks can rise once more - I'm seeing the new weapon becoming popular.
Mage? Don't know about big spell or grinder, but quest will return for sure.
Hunter - now their start won't be that weak in comparison to the other aggro deck's.
Priest - dunno about Satelite priest, but big priest is definitely making a comeback.
Rogue - kingsbane rogue has a big potential, as it does so well against slow decks with full hand sizes.
Druid - jade. Possibly big, but dunno about that.
Warrior and Shaman - kinda not seeing them pop up at all. Let's hope they will be rejuvenated in the next expansion.
Some of the already exisitng ones, which will be nerfed in February, by no means necessary will be wiped from the face of the Earth. I think Raza can still find a way to survive, this time maybe with more value-granting cards (Elise), maybe more of a control deck and less of a combo one, but I won't cross out Highlander from the game. The Kele decks are taking a huge hit, maybe Rogue will just leave the Creepers? Zoo can just find a better Package than Patches? Paladins??? Token dudu still has the support from the Un'goro, theoretically they can find another package.
Dunno, those were my thoughts on the upcoming meta. Anyway what do you guys think it will look like? I hope everyone is excited about it as much as I am and let's refrain from the typical salty cubelock spams, I mean, I'm also aware of it, but let's be positive.