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And that's it.

Blizzdrones are just embarrassing, just because they used to fuck people over in the past with indirect nerfs and have unpaid shills say it's actually a good thing doesn't mean people are just going to lay over and take it. But that isn't the worst part, blizzard actually did the right thing for once and they are ACTUALLY MAD that blizzard has decided to give out dust to it's players after nerfing the only archetype the legendary fits in.

Ok, case closed, we'll have dust refund for Kargal, and if someone disenchanted him before the hotfix, there will be compensation

I'm really surprised

https://www.hearthpwn.com/news/8176-blizzard-responds-kargal-battlescar-dust-refund

Quote from Kedalin >>

I find it fascinating how many people assume that Blizzard's decision to offer a dust refund in this case is "caving to complainers."

Without knowing their internal review process, it's impossible to determine that that was the case. All we know is that complaining existed, and that at a later date, a dust refund was offered. These things may have a causal relationship, but they are not guaranteed to have a causal relationship. To assume otherwise is a fallacy: "post hoc, ergo propter hoc."

It's more likely that they had an internal discussion going about whether or not to offer a refund in this case, and the final decision got amended after the cutoff date for the patch notes/announcement. "Small indie company" jokes aside, there's still a process that patch notes and announcements have to follow, and it takes time to draft, edit and approve the text of those.

I'm not surprised that this refund is being offered. Kargal is explicitly built to rely upon the Watch Posts in a way that the other previous examples in this thread do not. I see Jan'alai being brought up a bunch as a casualty of Baku's early rotation. But that's collateral damage; it makes no sense to refund Jan'alai when Baku gets changed. The more accurate comparison would be if Spirit of the Dragonhawk got changed, Jan'alai might need to be examined for a refund. But even then, Jan'alai doesn't depend completely upon the Spirit -- it's obviously a related card, and it's clearly intended to function alongside the Spirit, but you can still get to 8 HP damage in a game (thereby activating Jan'alai) even without the Spirit. It just takes longer. Kargal, on the other hand, fundamentally cannot pay off unless you have Watch Posts in your deck, and that means that if Watch Posts change, Kargal changes.

I, for one, think the nerfs to the Posts are a good balance change, and I wouldn't craft OR dust Kargal based on these changes. But other folks might feel differently, and I think it's commendable that they be able to re-evaluate this dependent legendary based on several components of his narrow build-up package changing.

Unlike some others, I don't think this sets a very broad precedent. It shows that in the limited cases where there's an in-expansion payoff-card tied explicitly to and dependent upon a suite of cards in that same expansion, there's a potential for synergistic refunds. That's it. It has no bearing on the Leper Gnome/Mekgineer Thermaplugg situation of yore, nor the Baku/Jan'alai situation (especially since they were from very different sets, and even though Jan'alai was obviously designed within the context of Baku's existence, it still had several other viable support cards beyond just Baku).

In other words, there's a big difference between "Hey, these cards go well together" and "This card literally does not function without these other cards." Kargal is the latter.

 Great post fwiw