i am rank 7 (highest ever was 4) but i still make alot of questionable + bad plays, but often wonder what's the best play trying to get better
ok here are the scenarios
this is going to be long, so bear with me with just texts lol!
ok i play bloodlust shaman(double bloodlust+1 windspeaker and the rest is similar to your regular shaman)...opponent is zoo
turn 1:
i go first, i pass
opponent plays voidwalker
turn2: i have lightning bolt, 2x defender of argus+ harvest golem+hex in my hand..
i play totem
opponent plays dire wolf alpha and kills my totem with his voidwalker
turn3: i have egg, defender of argus x2, harvest golem, lightning bolt+hex in my hand
while opponent still has coin...
i chose lightning bolt on wolf+ play egg, next turn i can play harvest golem
would you play harvest instead? or would you play totem+lightning bolt
opponent plays egg+coin+haunted creeper
turn 4: i had 3 mana with 1 overload so i played harvest golem like planned and picked up a flametongued (hand was harvest, flametongued, 2x argus+hex, board is just 0/2 egg on my side while their side has egg, haunted creeper+voidwalker)
opponent plays egg+abusive segearnt on egg to attack my harvest golem, attack with void caller on my harvest, leaving me with 2/1 "damaged golem" + egg on board while he still has 5 minions = 1/1 void caller+haunted creeper+4/4 nerubian+egg+abusive on his side
turn 5: i have flametongued, 2x argus + fire elemental+hex in my hand and my board was 2/1 "damaged golem" + egg
opponents board was 1/1 void caller+haunted creeper+4/4 nerubian+egg+abusive sergeant
i played flametongued in between egg+damaged golem + totem for a 0/2 taunt, i kill 1/1 voidwalker with my egg turning my egg into 0/1, kill his nerubian with my damaged golem ... leaving his board with only haunted creeper +abusive + 0/2 egg, while my board is an 0/1 egg(2/1 buffs from flametongued), flametongued+0/2taunt(unbuffed, bad positioning)
he plays tap, eats his egg with void terror, soulfire my flametongued, discards doomguard!!!, attack with his abusive sergeant killing my taunted totem, and attacks my face for 1 with his haunted creeper
turn 6: board position he has a 3/5 void terror, 4/4 nerubian 1/2 haunted creeper, 2/1 abusive
my board is a 0/1 egg,
my hand is now 2x argus, fire elemental, hex, and picks up lightning storm
what's the correct play here? do i totem+argus? fire elemental on a 2/1? hex+lightning storm? totem+lightning storm?
i thought a long time...i played fire elemental and hit the 3 dmg to his 3/5 void terror, leaving him with 3/2 void terror
my plan for next turn is 7 mana so i can play lightning storm+defender of argus on egg, if things goes south i can hex+lightning storm
overall i am not super satisfied with my position, but not sure what i could've done better
when i played zoo, each shaman matchup felt like an easy win lol
when i play shaman vs zoo, i have to struggle for each win...each mistake will easily cost me game...
I think you might need to adjust your deck if your facing so much zoo and losing. In this case i feel you did what you could have. You unfortunately did not get any board clears early on and he was able to build quite a board that wasn't easily removable and your starting hand limited how you could respond. If you don't have a way to respond to Zoo you lose simple as that. Whats your deck look like?
I think you might need to adjust your deck if your facing so much zoo and losing. In this case i feel you did what you could have. You unfortunately did not get any board clears early on and he was able to build quite a board that wasn't easily removable and your starting hand limited how you could respond. If you don't have a way to respond to Zoo you lose simple as that. Whats your deck look like?
i used to have 2 lightning storm but i subbed it out...coz zoo isn't as popular as it was lol
here's decklist, shade was recent additions, they are awesome lol...i used to run 2 earth shocks+2 eggs as well, i subbed it out
i subbed out the mana tide totem for cult master, mana tide sucked balls, im glad i made the cult master change lol
shade has awesome combo with my windspeaker/bloodlust/rockbiter, it can be used as finisher or as removal
stormforged axe is one of my tech card for aggro decks lol
Is Zoo the deck that is giving you the most grief? or just aggro in general? You might want to sub out windspeaker as well. While the card has its uses i feel that it ends up costing more mana than its worth most of the time.
Is Zoo the deck that is giving you the most grief? or just aggro in general? You might want to sub out windspeaker as well. While the card has its uses i feel that it ends up costing more mana than its worth most of the time.
aggro in general is usually not so good for my deck but not too much aggro recently lol
oh and rogue is a tough as well
as for the windspeaker...it does wonders...as a finisher or as a removal killing 2 other strong minions with my strong minion...a lot of synergy with fire elemental or shade!
the card i would sub out of this deck is probably sylvannas...it costs me too much to play efficiently...need very specific board to play it correctly...but if i sub it out, im not sure what to replace it with....early game i feel i have enough already...i guess al akir would do but i don't have such legendary
If you are aren't encountering aggro that often, then you might be able to just leave the deck how it is. I would maybe add another lightning storm and spirits wolves if you start to encounter more aggro decks. I would also maybe a senjin as taunts can be extremely helpful. As for rogue do you mean miracle rogue? I would also imagine your strategy is to build a board presence and then bloodlust for the win? As for Sylvannas what other legendaries do you have?
If you are aren't encountering aggro that often, then you might be able to just leave the deck how it is. I would maybe add another lightning storm and spirits wolves if you start to encounter more aggro decks. I would also maybe a senjin as taunts can be extremely helpful. As for rogue do you mean miracle rogue? I would also imagine your strategy is to build a board presence and then bloodlust for the win? As for Sylvannas what other legendaries do you have?
yeah i mean miracle rogue!
yea my strategy is try to clear the board while building my own, if opponents keep clearing my totems and have board control i lose easily
I think that with the deck type you are playing you are going always face a challenge against aggro. While not making mistakes helps having answers to those types of decks is going to be difficult. As for legendaries have you tried swapping any others into your deck?
I think that with the deck type you are playing you are going always face a challenge against aggro. While not making mistakes helps having answers to those types of decks is going to be difficult. As for legendaries have you tried swapping any others into your deck?
oh and i have leeroy lol, forgot about him
haven't tried rag, onyxia,leeroy in shaman lol...
thinking about dusting leeroy for cairne+tbk....might place tbk/cairne instead of sylvannas, might go for loatheb but loatheb is similar to a finisher, i want board control lol
I think that with the deck type you are playing you are going always face a challenge against aggro. While not making mistakes helps having answers to those types of decks is going to be difficult. As for legendaries have you tried swapping any others into your deck?
Just thought about it...the card that fits the most to replace syvlannas is sludge belcher!! I almost forgot about him lol!!!
I needed the sticky type minion to help me maintain board presence!
Might replace with cairne/tbk in future if it doesn't work out!
I don't know if Sludge Belcher is necessarily a replacement for Sylvannas but its certainly not a bad card to add. Cairne has great utility as does the TBK but only if taunts are popular in the meta which probably is going to happen.
I don't know if Sludge Belcher is necessarily a replacement for Sylvannas but its certainly not a bad card to add. Cairne has great utility as does the TBK but only if taunts are popular in the meta which probably is going to happen.
the more i think about it, the more cairne is good, why? coz of priests lol
I am literally scared of a popular priest meta...if that chinese priest deck comes to NA server, it'd be hell lol
I don't know if Sludge Belcher is necessarily a replacement for Sylvannas but its certainly not a bad card to add. Cairne has great utility as does the TBK but only if taunts are popular in the meta which probably is going to happen.
the more i think about it, the more cairne is good, why? coz of priests lol
I am literally scared of a popular priest meta...if that chinese priest deck comes to NA server, it'd be hell lol
Well Cairne has good value versus almost every deck. Its bad if he gets silenced etc, but its still a 4/5 body so not bad. As for the Chinese priest deck i don't know if that will catch on in NA. I have played a few people using it but i don't think they will overtake the Meta.
you don't need sylvanas in bloodlust shaman. try -sylvanas, cult master, stormforged, windspeaker + feral, earthshock, lightning storm, sludge belcher. if you play bloodlust, you want more sticky minions. i think you should also try -shade + ooze
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i am rank 7 (highest ever was 4) but i still make alot of questionable + bad plays, but often wonder what's the best play trying to get better
ok here are the scenarios
this is going to be long, so bear with me with just texts lol!
ok i play bloodlust shaman(double bloodlust+1 windspeaker and the rest is similar to your regular shaman)...opponent is zoo
turn 1:
i go first, i pass
opponent plays voidwalker
turn2: i have lightning bolt, 2x defender of argus+ harvest golem+hex in my hand..
i play totem
opponent plays dire wolf alpha and kills my totem with his voidwalker
turn3: i have egg, defender of argus x2, harvest golem, lightning bolt+hex in my hand
while opponent still has coin...
i chose lightning bolt on wolf+ play egg, next turn i can play harvest golem
would you play harvest instead? or would you play totem+lightning bolt
opponent plays egg+coin+haunted creeper
turn 4: i had 3 mana with 1 overload so i played harvest golem like planned and picked up a flametongued (hand was harvest, flametongued, 2x argus+hex, board is just 0/2 egg on my side while their side has egg, haunted creeper+voidwalker)
opponent plays egg+abusive segearnt on egg to attack my harvest golem, attack with void caller on my harvest, leaving me with 2/1 "damaged golem" + egg on board while he still has 5 minions = 1/1 void caller+haunted creeper+4/4 nerubian+egg+abusive on his side
turn 5: i have flametongued, 2x argus + fire elemental+hex in my hand and my board was 2/1 "damaged golem" + egg
opponents board was 1/1 void caller+haunted creeper+4/4 nerubian+egg+abusive sergeant
i played flametongued in between egg+damaged golem + totem for a 0/2 taunt, i kill 1/1 voidwalker with my egg turning my egg into 0/1, kill his nerubian with my damaged golem ... leaving his board with only haunted creeper +abusive + 0/2 egg, while my board is an 0/1 egg(2/1 buffs from flametongued), flametongued+0/2taunt(unbuffed, bad positioning)
he plays tap, eats his egg with void terror, soulfire my flametongued, discards doomguard!!!, attack with his abusive sergeant killing my taunted totem, and attacks my face for 1 with his haunted creeper
turn 6: board position he has a 3/5 void terror, 4/4 nerubian 1/2 haunted creeper, 2/1 abusive
my board is a 0/1 egg,
my hand is now 2x argus, fire elemental, hex, and picks up lightning storm
what's the correct play here? do i totem+argus? fire elemental on a 2/1? hex+lightning storm? totem+lightning storm?
i thought a long time...i played fire elemental and hit the 3 dmg to his 3/5 void terror, leaving him with 3/2 void terror
my plan for next turn is 7 mana so i can play lightning storm+defender of argus on egg, if things goes south i can hex+lightning storm
overall i am not super satisfied with my position, but not sure what i could've done better
when i played zoo, each shaman matchup felt like an easy win lol
when i play shaman vs zoo, i have to struggle for each win...each mistake will easily cost me game...
I think you might need to adjust your deck if your facing so much zoo and losing. In this case i feel you did what you could have. You unfortunately did not get any board clears early on and he was able to build quite a board that wasn't easily removable and your starting hand limited how you could respond. If you don't have a way to respond to Zoo you lose simple as that. Whats your deck look like?
i used to have 2 lightning storm but i subbed it out...coz zoo isn't as popular as it was lol
here's decklist, shade was recent additions, they are awesome lol...i used to run 2 earth shocks+2 eggs as well, i subbed it out
i subbed out the mana tide totem for cult master, mana tide sucked balls, im glad i made the cult master change lol
shade has awesome combo with my windspeaker/bloodlust/rockbiter, it can be used as finisher or as removal
stormforged axe is one of my tech card for aggro decks lol
i dont remember the initial card, but they were bad, i mulliganed everything... and ended up with 2x argus+harvest
Is Zoo the deck that is giving you the most grief? or just aggro in general? You might want to sub out windspeaker as well. While the card has its uses i feel that it ends up costing more mana than its worth most of the time.
aggro in general is usually not so good for my deck but not too much aggro recently lol
oh and rogue is a tough as well
as for the windspeaker...it does wonders...as a finisher or as a removal killing 2 other strong minions with my strong minion...a lot of synergy with fire elemental or shade!
the card i would sub out of this deck is probably sylvannas...it costs me too much to play efficiently...need very specific board to play it correctly...but if i sub it out, im not sure what to replace it with....early game i feel i have enough already...i guess al akir would do but i don't have such legendary
If you are aren't encountering aggro that often, then you might be able to just leave the deck how it is. I would maybe add another lightning storm and spirits wolves if you start to encounter more aggro decks. I would also maybe a senjin as taunts can be extremely helpful. As for rogue do you mean miracle rogue? I would also imagine your strategy is to build a board presence and then bloodlust for the win? As for Sylvannas what other legendaries do you have?
yeah i mean miracle rogue!
yea my strategy is try to clear the board while building my own, if opponents keep clearing my totems and have board control i lose easily
onyxia, rag + all of naxx legendaries
I think that with the deck type you are playing you are going always face a challenge against aggro. While not making mistakes helps having answers to those types of decks is going to be difficult. As for legendaries have you tried swapping any others into your deck?
oh and i have leeroy lol, forgot about him
haven't tried rag, onyxia,leeroy in shaman lol...
thinking about dusting leeroy for cairne+tbk....might place tbk/cairne instead of sylvannas, might go for loatheb but loatheb is similar to a finisher, i want board control lol
Just thought about it...the card that fits the most to replace syvlannas is sludge belcher!! I almost forgot about him lol!!!
I needed the sticky type minion to help me maintain board presence!
Might replace with cairne/tbk in future if it doesn't work out!
I don't know if Sludge Belcher is necessarily a replacement for Sylvannas but its certainly not a bad card to add. Cairne has great utility as does the TBK but only if taunts are popular in the meta which probably is going to happen.
the more i think about it, the more cairne is good, why? coz of priests lol
I am literally scared of a popular priest meta...if that chinese priest deck comes to NA server, it'd be hell lol
Well Cairne has good value versus almost every deck. Its bad if he gets silenced etc, but its still a 4/5 body so not bad. As for the Chinese priest deck i don't know if that will catch on in NA. I have played a few people using it but i don't think they will overtake the Meta.
you don't need sylvanas in bloodlust shaman. try -sylvanas, cult master, stormforged, windspeaker + feral, earthshock, lightning storm, sludge belcher.
if you play bloodlust, you want more sticky minions. i think you should also try -shade + ooze