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Although i agree that the hunter DK is kind of on the weak side with the battlecry, I've been playing a LOT of it as of late and the hero power can potentially straight up win you the game if you get a good combination. Not to mention it gives him so many unpredictable options. The only problem with the DK is that you lose your previous hero power which in some cases lost me games as I ran out of  instant damage output.

As for valeera, I haven't met many DK rogues yet (let alone many rogues) But I've seen some miracle rogues and they are freaking scary, making the DK even better seems like a bad idea to me.

Also the expansion is not even out a week. at any time the premature meta we got atm could change into something completely different.

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It's so cute when completely clueless plebs set out on a mission to "fix" cards.

Malfurion DK is "weak as piss" huh? It's probably the best DK in the set... I haven't gotten around to craft Valeera DK, but I'm pretty damn sure it shouldn't cost less than it does. At 6 mana, it would be ridiculously OP in any case. Have you even read and understood what the hero power does?

Edit: The problem with Rexxar DK, btw, isn't that the AoE isn't strong enough. The problem is that the card is slow and super high value. Hunter doesn't do either slow or value, they need to finish the game fast.

Looks like someone doesn't know how to read. What I said about malfurian is pretty much "In a vaccuum he's awful, but because of the class he's in it's good". 

Valeera on the other hand I was exaggerating a bit with. I feel they're a bit weak as a 9 mana card but 6 mana was going a bit far with it. They'd be fine at 8.

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I don't think Valeera designed to fit into standard miracle really, since auctioneer is probably rotating out next year, so Blizzard is likely planning down the line for future Rogue archetypes. That's why it appears bad. I think in something like Jade Rogue it stands a much better chance of being good since it can clone your jade activators and fight for the board much more, or in Mill Rogue, since a free turn with no damage in that deck is probably enough to swing a bunch of otherwise unwinnable games.

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So Rogue have to be able to play something in the same turn than a win-cond card just because is rogue? in that sense even VanCleed is a bad card cause you need to play him after a lot of cards so you cant protect him and make it very big normally. Come on Rogue legends most of the time never let you play something after you play them as normal.

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I don't think Valeera designed to fit into standard miracle really, since auctioneer is probably rotating out next year, so Blizzard is likely planning down the line for future Rogue archetypes. That's why it appears bad. I think in something like Jade Rogue it stands a much better chance of being good since it can clone your jade activators and fight for the board much more, or in Mill Rogue, since a free turn with no damage in that deck is probably enough to swing a bunch of otherwise unwinnable games.

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 Having played 5 or 6 rogue decks this expansion, and none of them Miracle, I can confirm that this is the case. Valeera is really good at furthering pretty much any game plan that doesn't aim to finish by turn 9 or draw the entire deck without her anyway so long as you can clear the board to give you time to do it (Vanish is more than sufficient here). If you need more answers, more card draw/generation, more jade, more damage spells/cold bloods for a finisher, more minions for the Quest (both before and after completion).... she'll give them.

The idea that she should cost 6 is ridiculous: she is already fine at 9.

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It's so cute when completely clueless plebs set out on a mission to "fix" cards.

Malfurion DK is "weak as piss" huh? It's probably the best DK in the set... I haven't gotten around to craft Valeera DK, but I'm pretty damn sure it shouldn't cost less than it does. At 6 mana, it would be ridiculously OP in any case. Have you even read and understood what the hero power does?

Edit: The problem with Rexxar DK, btw, isn't that the AoE isn't strong enough. The problem is that the card is slow and super high value. Hunter doesn't do either slow or value, they need to finish the game fast.

Looks like someone doesn't know how to read. What I said about malfurian is pretty much "In a vaccuum he's awful, but because of the class he's in it's good". 

Valeera on the other hand I was exaggerating a bit with. I feel they're a bit weak as a 9 mana card but 6 mana was going a bit far with it. They'd be fine at 8.

 Apparently it's you that don't know how to read. Go back and read your initial post about DK Malfurion and you'll see that you said that the DK is really weak, but druid doesn't need more strong cards. The DK is not weak, it's very strong. There's no such thing as a card in a vacuum, druid has ramp and innervate.

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It's so cute when completely clueless plebs set out on a mission to "fix" cards.

Malfurion DK is "weak as piss" huh? It's probably the best DK in the set... I haven't gotten around to craft Valeera DK, but I'm pretty damn sure it shouldn't cost less than it does. At 6 mana, it would be ridiculously OP in any case. Have you even read and understood what the hero power does?

Edit: The problem with Rexxar DK, btw, isn't that the AoE isn't strong enough. The problem is that the card is slow and super high value. Hunter doesn't do either slow or value, they need to finish the game fast.

Looks like someone doesn't know how to read. What I said about malfurian is pretty much "In a vaccuum he's awful, but because of the class he's in it's good". 

Valeera on the other hand I was exaggerating a bit with. I feel they're a bit weak as a 9 mana card but 6 mana was going a bit far with it. They'd be fine at 8.

 Apparently it's you that don't know how to read. Go back and read your initial post about DK Malfurion and you'll see that you said that the DK is really weak, but druid doesn't need more strong cards. The DK is not weak, it's very strong. There's no such thing as a card in a vacuum, druid has ramp and innervate.

I just need to point this out, but technically even if I were completely illiterate and had no idea if what I was writing was actually what I intended it to be it would still have the same meaning to me meaning it's impossible for me to not know how to read based off of something I wrote myself. That's just basic logic mate.

Anyway, In a vacuum means "standalone this card is bad". Standalone, Malfurian is pretty trash. Druid having other high powered cards that synergize with it is what makes it good, it is not good on its own. This can be proven extremely easily by just running it in a deck that doesn't run the synergy cards. Why are you even complaining about this when I already stated I think it's fine and needs no changing? Is complaining about irrelevant shit your hobby or something?

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It's so cute when completely clueless plebs set out on a mission to "fix" cards.

Malfurion DK is "weak as piss" huh? It's probably the best DK in the set... I haven't gotten around to craft Valeera DK, but I'm pretty damn sure it shouldn't cost less than it does. At 6 mana, it would be ridiculously OP in any case. Have you even read and understood what the hero power does?

Edit: The problem with Rexxar DK, btw, isn't that the AoE isn't strong enough. The problem is that the card is slow and super high value. Hunter doesn't do either slow or value, they need to finish the game fast.

Looks like someone doesn't know how to read. What I said about malfurian is pretty much "In a vaccuum he's awful, but because of the class he's in it's good". 

Valeera on the other hand I was exaggerating a bit with. I feel they're a bit weak as a 9 mana card but 6 mana was going a bit far with it. They'd be fine at 8.

 Apparently it's you that don't know how to read. Go back and read your initial post about DK Malfurion and you'll see that you said that the DK is really weak, but druid doesn't need more strong cards. The DK is not weak, it's very strong. There's no such thing as a card in a vacuum, druid has ramp and innervate.

I just need to point this out, but technically even if I were completely illiterate and had no idea if what I was writing was actually what I intended it to be it would still have the same meaning to me meaning it's impossible for me to not know how to read based off of something I wrote myself. That's just basic logic mate.

Anyway, In a vacuum means "standalone this card is bad". Standalone, Malfurian is pretty trash. Druid having other high powered cards that synergize with it is what makes it good, it is not good on its own. This can be proven extremely easily by just running it in a deck that doesn't run the synergy cards. Why are you even complaining about this when I already stated I think it's fine and needs no changing? Is complaining about irrelevant shit your hobby or something?

 You were acting like a douche and claiming that you've written something that you clearly haven't. If you intended something other than what you wrote, well... then that's on you.

I know what "in a vacuum" means, I'm telling you that it's completely irrelevant since nothing in a card game is ever in a vacuum. A card is exactly as good or bad as the environment it finds itself in, i e DK Malfurion is a very good DK. Fandral Staghelm would be terrible in any other class but druid, but it would be retarded to argue how bad it is in a vacuum.

If complaining about irrelevant shit is my hobby, then clearly stating irrelevant shit is yours.